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Giganx (Zabanován) 17. led. 2023 v 6.25
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Why the long GCD?
The gameplay in this game is sluggish and boring even compared to other tab target MMO's. At low levels it's borderline hypnotic because you only have a few abilities and the GCD is nearly 3 SECONDS.

I sometimes wonder how anyone, myself included, managed to stick with this game long enough for combat not too feel like you're walking through molasses. Even at max level the gameplay simply goes from mind numbing to slightly below average pace. Things are never happening fast enough for you to feel jacked in and focused.

The GCD should really be in the 1-1.5 second range, and classes need more abilities a lot earlier.
Naposledy upravil Giganx; 17. led. 2023 v 6.25
Původně napsal Eldritch Warden:
I'll say this, I get where you are coming from, I wouldn't go as far as to suggest that we make the standard gcd 1.5 seconds and the reason is simple. The servers work on a 3 second tickrate. This is why slidecasting is a thing, this is why most aoes work on snapshots and some are calculated differently and this is why the gcd is "almost 3 seconds". This is also why dots tick every 3 seconds. I am not sure if the servers can handle 1.5 gcd for everyone and double weaving can already be a pain in the ass for monk and ninja if you are not using 3rd party tools (sometimes even if you do). For reference, a single ogcd can have a basic animation duration of 0.7 seconds, 2 weaves will take up to 1.4 seconds before any lag is added to that. They would have to speed up (and essentially ruin) the animations for abilities or redesign how animation skipping works.

A change like that would not only make the experience more unpleasant for some folks , like some above me, it would also require an investment in the server infrastructure. You are not being selfish for asking something like that, it's just that the game is designed in a manner that is probably the opposite to what you are used to. Remember, don't even think to compare ffxiv servers to wow servers, ffxiv servers are paid for by SE, they are notorious for underfunding projects.
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♥♥♥♥ owl původně napsal:
can't wait till the day where we'll have high tier bait oh wai-

So bait is what you are looking for? For what though? To laugh and mock others? Hmm..
Almost 600 comments on this topic whoa!

Gonna get me some coffee, banana yoghurt and start reading for the content. I bet there are some sassy enjoyable comments. Aahhh... :kb2_heart:

Sometimes i wish everyone here would be on same discord channel, where there would be no mods, filters or rules.

FF14 underground community, where opinions are verbal octagon where low blows and poking in the eyes are allowed.

PS. Has anyone ever had an argument here and then went to duel on Wolves den to settle it with a trial by combat? If not, that should totally be a thing. :P
Sofia původně napsal:
Almost 600 comments on this topic whoa!

Gonna get me some coffee, banana yoghurt and start reading for the content. I bet there are some sassy enjoyable comments. Aahhh... :kb2_heart:

Sometimes i wish everyone here would be on same discord channel, where there would be no mods, filters or rules.

FF14 underground community, where opinions are verbal octagon where low blows and poking in the eyes are allowed.

PS. Has anyone ever had an argument here and then went to duel on Wolves den to settle it with a trial by combat? If not, that should totally be a thing. :P

And the ff14 community thought they weren’t as bad as the Wow community, turns out both are just the same lol.
RRyan původně napsal:
⎛⎝ Chillwind ⎠⎞ původně napsal:
Jesus ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ christ we still on about '' reflexes '' etc?
How many times has it been explained already why it's not even about that?

At this point I am legit beginning to believe OP is a troll...

OP already marked an answer for this thread, it’s the same people on here trying to prolong into more needless arguments.

He didn't do this until recently, and he still doesn't actually get it.
Maybe you shouldn't inject yourself into a conversation you haven't been a part of this late into it?
Because you've just been repeating the same things that have already been adressed countless times over and over again too.

RRyan původně napsal:
Sofia původně napsal:
Almost 600 comments on this topic whoa!

Gonna get me some coffee, banana yoghurt and start reading for the content. I bet there are some sassy enjoyable comments. Aahhh... :kb2_heart:

Sometimes i wish everyone here would be on same discord channel, where there would be no mods, filters or rules.

FF14 underground community, where opinions are verbal octagon where low blows and poking in the eyes are allowed.

PS. Has anyone ever had an argument here and then went to duel on Wolves den to settle it with a trial by combat? If not, that should totally be a thing. :P

And the ff14 community thought they weren’t as bad as the Wow community, turns out both are just the same lol.

Nice victim mentality.
The OP is being very ignorant and also very arrogant about his own ignorance, he has been insulting people about it too in this thread you'd know that if you had actually been here and seen what was posted.

No one has ever said that FFXIV literally has no toxicity, just that it has significantly less compared to other games which I think is true.
But if there's anything to be learned from this thread it's that nuance is totally lost on a lot of people.

Sofia původně napsal:

FF14 underground community, where opinions are verbal octagon where low blows and poking in the eyes are allowed.

Have you never been to the official forum?
If you think this is bad you should check it out, there's literally people there with 80+ threads made in like three months that are all negative and completely unhinged filled with personal attacks towards the devs and anyone who disagrees with them.

There's people that are actually known both on the forum and outside the forum for being toxic and perpetually negative and angry about everything.
Some streamers even use the forum for content, everyone knows that the forum is a toxic cesspool.

I've never experienced actual toxicity ingame tho.
The worst I've ever experienced since ARR is some rather mild saltiness in PF which is nothing at all compared to what I've experienced in basically every other game.

When people say that the community is great they're talking about it ingame, not on Twitter or on forums or whatever.
Naposledy upravil ⎛⎝ Kupo ⎠⎞; 20. led. 2023 v 3.40
⎛⎝ Chillwind ⎠⎞ původně napsal:
RRyan původně napsal:

OP already marked an answer for this thread, it’s the same people on here trying to prolong into more needless arguments.

He didn't do this until recently, and he still doesn't actually get it.
Maybe you shouldn't inject yourself into a conversation you haven't been a part of this late into it?
Because you've just been repeating the same things that have already been adressed countless times over and over again too.

RRyan původně napsal:

And the ff14 community thought they weren’t as bad as the Wow community, turns out both are just the same lol.

Nice victim mentality.
The OP is being very ignorant and also very arrogant about his own ignorance, he has been insulting people about it too in this thread you'd know that if you had actually been here and seen what was posted.

No one has ever said that FFXIV literally has no toxicity, just that it has significantly less compared to other games which I think is true.
But if there's anything to be learned from this thread it's that nuance is totally lost on a lot of people.

Only hearsay and theories have been thrown here, not a single evidence of proof to debunk his opinion.

"Nice victim mentality."
Some here claim it all the time, i dont see you ever pointing it out to them. nice bias there.
There is nothing to be learned from here since this has been on going way long before i came on here. its just one of many excuses to keep doing what you people do on here to others.
RRyan původně napsal:
Sofia původně napsal:
Almost 600 comments on this topic whoa!

Gonna get me some coffee, banana yoghurt and start reading for the content. I bet there are some sassy enjoyable comments. Aahhh... :kb2_heart:

Sometimes i wish everyone here would be on same discord channel, where there would be no mods, filters or rules.

FF14 underground community, where opinions are verbal octagon where low blows and poking in the eyes are allowed.

PS. Has anyone ever had an argument here and then went to duel on Wolves den to settle it with a trial by combat? If not, that should totally be a thing. :P

And the ff14 community thought they weren’t as bad as the Wow community, turns out both are just the same lol.

Nah, we are more cute. =)

And i feel if FF14 vs WoW community octagon fight would ever happen.. WoW community would get KO'd the F out instantly. WoW people been toxic and fighting each others for years face to face, in game and on discord. Meanwhile FF14 gang has been keeping a smiley face on, collecting all that bottled up frustration from trying to help people like wow refugees who are often not able to even register a service account.. we are not the same.

When the gloves would come off, my money would be on FF14 gang. All that sweet rage finally unleashed. :LaughingOwlcat:

I'm obviously joking, kupo! *makes intensifying moogle noises and stares without blinking* :D
Giganx (Zabanován) 20. led. 2023 v 3.49 
⎛⎝ Chillwind ⎠⎞ původně napsal:
RRyan původně napsal:

OP already marked an answer for this thread, it’s the same people on here trying to prolong into more needless arguments.

He didn't do this until recently, and he still doesn't actually get it.
Maybe you shouldn't inject yourself into a conversation you haven't been a part of this late into it?
Because you've just been repeating the same things that have already been adressed countless times over and over again too.

RRyan původně napsal:

And the ff14 community thought they weren’t as bad as the Wow community, turns out both are just the same lol.

Nice victim mentality.
The OP is being very ignorant and also very arrogant about his own ignorance, he has been insulting people about it too in this thread you'd know that if you had actually been here and seen what was posted.

No one has ever said that FFXIV literally has no toxicity, just that it has significantly less compared to other games which I think is true.
But if there's anything to be learned from this thread it's that nuance is totally lost on a lot of people.
The answer I marked is the one I accepted a while ago. That guy was the only person who was against the change that actually had a clue what he was talking about.

The weak, desperate and blatantly incorrect arguments coming out of the rest of you are what compelled me to stay here correcting people for as long as I did. I recall you being the guy that insisted weaving on a 1.5s GCD with a 0.5s buffer is impossible. The majority of others were insisting this would completely break the game, and their only example was the fact it would cause a moderate DPS loss. Hell, two of you even insisted that FFXIV is a TURN BASED game to counter this thread.

I pinned the only good answer given to this thread. The rest of you are honestly clueless.
Naposledy upravil Giganx; 20. led. 2023 v 5.38
Sofia původně napsal:
RRyan původně napsal:

And the ff14 community thought they weren’t as bad as the Wow community, turns out both are just the same lol.

Nah, we are more cute. =)

And i feel if FF14 vs WoW community octagon fight would ever happen.. WoW community would get KO'd the F out instantly. WoW people been toxic and fighting each others for years face to face, in game and on discord. Meanwhile FF14 gang has been keeping a smiley face on, collecting all that bottled up frustration from trying to help people like wow refugees who are often not able to even register a service account.. we are not the same.

When the gloves would come off, my money would be on FF14 gang. All that sweet rage finally unleashed. :LaughingOwlcat:

I'm obviously joking, kupo! *makes intensifying moogle noises and stares without blinking* :D
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Well acting and looking cute doesn't really work as it seems. sadly FF14 got big temporary boost due to the WoW refugees and big streamers and now its hardly even being streamed again lol. So thats telling and wow players did expose the problems that FF14 does have, community wise and signing up issues. oh well, one side would always see themselves as the better version eh. lol
⎛⎝ Chillwind ⎠⎞ původně napsal:
RRyan původně napsal:

OP already marked an answer for this thread, it’s the same people on here trying to prolong into more needless arguments.

He didn't do this until recently, and he still doesn't actually get it.
Maybe you shouldn't inject yourself into a conversation you haven't been a part of this late into it?
Because you've just been repeating the same things that have already been adressed countless times over and over again too.

RRyan původně napsal:

And the ff14 community thought they weren’t as bad as the Wow community, turns out both are just the same lol.

Nice victim mentality.
The OP is being very ignorant and also very arrogant about his own ignorance, he has been insulting people about it too in this thread you'd know that if you had actually been here and seen what was posted.

No one has ever said that FFXIV literally has no toxicity, just that it has significantly less compared to other games which I think is true.
But if there's anything to be learned from this thread it's that nuance is totally lost on a lot of people.

Sofia původně napsal:

FF14 underground community, where opinions are verbal octagon where low blows and poking in the eyes are allowed.

Have you never been to the official forum?
If you think this is bad you should check it out, there's literally people there with 80+ threads made in like three months that are all negative and completely unhinged filled with personal attacks towards the devs and anyone who disagrees with them.

There's people that are actually known both on the forum and outside the forum for being toxic and perpetually negative and angry about everything.
Some streamers even use the forum for content, everyone knows that the forum is a toxic cesspool.

I've never experienced actual toxicity ingame tho.
The worst I've ever experienced since ARR is some rather mild saltiness in PF which is nothing at all compared to what I've experienced in basically every other game.

When people say that the community is great they're talking about it ingame, not on Twitter or on forums or whatever.

Well yeah.. in game majority (like 98% i'd say even) are chill and good people, impossible ever to have full 100% but it really is the best community in my experience out of all mmo games i've played so far.

Games before FF14, the things i saw and did hear. I was not even an adult yet when i joined pvp groups/discords on other games. The things i did hear and witness on voice chat and also "exposed clips" where people edited YT videos when they killed their fellow players, those clips had like sexual assault scenes edited in. Not even joking, like also doxing, literal real life death threats and stuff. Well, at least i learned what boys talk about when they play pvp, it's 50% about boobs and 50% about doing someone's mom. I was raised by mmo game groups.

And i'm fine, right? Right? :D

But yes, i was amazed for months when joined FF14, the community was so chill and sometimes was almost even weirded out how nice people were. On my 1st day in game some randoms came to just trade me gil and minions. Just like that, not even talking other than smiley and saying "have fun!". :) Later i found out that some like to give sprouts gifts, that it's a thing actually. Like some gave those xmas clothers on xmas even to everyone, made me smile.

Like not even gotta lie if say that playing FF14 did me good, showing that there are kind people most of them and always helpful. Sometimes here maybe just a bit hard sometimes, when people tend to even if try not to mirror those who bring in the bad vibes. You sort of get drawn to that same mood. You know, when someone yawns, then everyone else soon also does.. :D

Like if someone asks for help, but then gets angry after hearing the right answer and what to do.. you can only do it so many times before becoming a walking sarcasm punch line machine. :D
RRyan původně napsal:
Sofia původně napsal:

Nah, we are more cute. =)

And i feel if FF14 vs WoW community octagon fight would ever happen.. WoW community would get KO'd the F out instantly. WoW people been toxic and fighting each others for years face to face, in game and on discord. Meanwhile FF14 gang has been keeping a smiley face on, collecting all that bottled up frustration from trying to help people like wow refugees who are often not able to even register a service account.. we are not the same.

When the gloves would come off, my money would be on FF14 gang. All that sweet rage finally unleashed. :LaughingOwlcat:

I'm obviously joking, kupo! *makes intensifying moogle noises and stares without blinking* :D
\

Well acting and looking cute doesn't really work as it seems. sadly FF14 got big temporary boost due to the WoW refugees and big streamers and now its hardly even being streamed again lol. So thats telling and wow players did expose the problems that FF14 does have, community wise and signing up issues. oh well, one side would always see themselves as the better version eh. lol

------> Are you sure FF14 got "exposed" for having signing up issues.. or were WoW players the ones that were exposed for not being able to read instructions and sign up to a game? :LaughingOwlcat:

Like Asmongold bought the game twice, both steam and SE store version, he said himself.. because did not read the instructions lol. And everyone knows he barely reads anything and has some form of dyslexia based on watching him read the texts on his stream. He gives "funny" names on characters that he cannot read/pronounce.

It makes good content tho, obviously so his chat can KEKW spam to it.

Not sure if WoW players can talk about the signing up without doing a self burn.

WoW players are like the Jackass crew of mmo players, they are good at hitting each others in the nuts with a baseball bat, but not good at reading. :P


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Seraphita původně napsal:
Sofia původně napsal:
Well yeah.. in game majority (like 98% i'd say even) are chill and good people, impossible ever to have full 100% but it really is the best community in my experience out of all mmo games i've played so far.
You sound nice. It's refreshing to see people like you in the forum on the opposite of this toxicity. I kinda understand why they stay away with them around, too. Glad to see you had a nice online experience with FFXIV. And yes, you're right, the majority are good people. :fhappy:

Awww thanks! :kb2_heart:

Feels nice to get good feedback, so same to you! :)

I joke about stuff tho, but it's never intended to be toxic but always said with a smile. Like even when cannot read it from the text. But poking a bit of fun is nice. Playing the games we love and talking about the should be a fun thing and not too serious.

But yeah, our community is passionate about the game because we love it, and feels protective about it. I feel that is the reason that mostly gets topics heated here. Because we like to keep the core functions of the game as it is, to stay as the game we love.

Like on this topic, i feel FF14 core fundamental GCD with the weavables is a classic and still there for a reason, it is balanced for a decade and our GCD allows the game content, skill ceiling/floor and dynamics be accessible for majority of the players, it's enjoyed by the big majority from casuals, midcore to hardcore players. And changing that would change the entire game.

They can create classes/phases/skills/gimmicks (like special zone thingies like on Eureka or Bozja special ability boosters) that makes combat "faster" or different, but they are not, and should not, touch the core function of the game. And i say that as a MNK enjoyer.

I've seen on other games what happens when devs break core fundamental of the game, it created endless balance nightmare, games rules turning completely up and down every 3 months in desperate effort of trying to find something that works (looking at you ESO combat team) after breaking up their own game.

And yes, i realized it's friday again, so happy weekend to you all, have fun playing! :kb2_heart:
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The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

Oh boo hoo. You're the one picking fights.



The catchphrase of the bad faith argument.

There you go again, doing the very same thing in deflecting and mocking of others but then get so upset when you get called out for it.

That might hurt a bit if it wasn't an accurate description of every single one of your posts.
Naposledy upravil Oberon; 20. led. 2023 v 7.51
RRyan původně napsal:
How does talking to me off topic “ contributed to the conversation”?

Why do you keep derailing threads and then blaming it on other people? None of this would have happened if you had just stayed away. You have no one to blame but yourself.
The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:
RRyan původně napsal:
How does talking to me off topic “ contributed to the conversation”?

Why do you keep derailing threads and then blaming it on other people? None of this would have happened if you had just stayed away. You have no one to blame but yourself.

Answering a question with a question is not answering it at all.

It stops when you stop replying back to me, common sense.
RRyan původně napsal:
The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

Why do you keep derailing threads and then blaming it on other people? None of this would have happened if you had just stayed away. You have no one to blame but yourself.

Answering a question with a question is not answering it at all.

"There you go again, doing the very same thing in deflecting and mocking of others but then get so upset when you get called out for it."

RRyan původně napsal:
It stops when you stop replying back to me, common sense.

"Common sense" would have been for you to not derail the thread to begin with, so you have no room to talk there.
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