[Spoilers] Au Ra are really Draconic theory

[Big Boom Boom]

We know Midgarsorm came from another planet to Hydaelyn (referred to as this star in his conversation with Tiamat), bearing 7 Dragon Eggs.

Tiamat and Bahamut created the Meracydian Dragons.
Hvaswdamnwhathisname, Rastatokr and Nidhogg created the Dravanian Dragons.
So the two remaining Dragons are probably the Dawn Father and Dusk Mother in Au Ra Legend.

[Oberon]

Even in game it's stated that no, they're not Draconic, they're Demonic. Square themselves made the retcon when they realized the problem with letting a Draconic race into the decidedly anti-Dragon Ishgard.

[Gabby]

Erm... care to actually point to where it's mentioned in game? Because so far I haven't seen anything of the sort. If you're referring to the Lore text, it says Scholars argue against the theory, it doesn't say anywhere that they aren't.

Also SE didn't retcon, all they've ever said regarding Demons is that you can customize your character to take on a demonic aesthetic with options they put into creation.

And I've been looking, because quite a few people have been trying to argue this demon thing without a shred of evidence. So far the only thing in the demon camp is an (unintentional?) mistranslation of that YoshiP said about making them look like demons at the Nico Nico event. Including a horribly cheaply inserted line about them not being dragon based... which he never actually said.

[Big Boom Boom]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Big Chief Devil Hawk Fireball:

Even in game it's stated that no, they're not Draconic, they're Demonic. Square themselves made the retcon when they realized the problem with letting a Draconic race into the decidedly anti-Dragon Ishgard.

Just like the Miqo'te scholars vehemently denied the link between Fat Cat minion and Miqo'te race :3

[Gabby]

Heee, yeah, the only "proof" to the contrary is literally "some people don't think they are".

Also if you're paying attention to the Heavensward story, a race of people who are dragon blooded is entirely fitting.

SPOILER

You know... LIKE THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF ISHGARD.

[Big Boom Boom]

It actually makes sense, the Au Ra are more Eastern Dragon-like and Midgarsorm himself claimed his children spread around Hydaelyn. The 3 Dravanian Dragons are different from Tiamat / Bahamut so the remaining two could be vastly different from the rest and makes sense for the sexual dimorphism the Au Ra spots.

[Gabby]

It's also a bit funny they claim the lack of dimorphism but the only older female dragons we've seen and identify are half the size of the males.

[Big Boom Boom]

Dragons are kind of random. In Dravania Foreland you have one mother as Dragon model, the young son as Dragonet model (with hands/front legs) and then the older son as Wyvern model (lack of hands/front legs), so being in the same family they are already inconsistent.

[Oberon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphna:

Erm... care to actually point to where it's mentioned in game?

Character creation.

[Gabby]

Yeah... that says scholars contest things and that they question the theory. It also says absolutely nothing about demons.

[Gabby]

The curved horns and beautifully patterned scales that characterize the Au Ra oft give rise to speculation that this Hyur-like race native to the Far Eastern continent of Othard are, in fact, the progeny of dragons. This, however, has long been disputed, with scholars citing several distinct differences in the two races as evidence of decidedly dissimilar roots—the first and foremost being the enhanced hearing and spatial recognition granted by an Au Ra's cranial projections (traits not attributed to draconian horns), and the second being the gross disproportion of body mass between Auri males and females (again, a trait widely unseen in dragons).

Raen
Auri creation myth tells of a Dawn Father and a Dusk Mother from whom all Au Ra are descended. The Raen believe their veins to run thick with the blood of the former—their brilliant white scales and iron wills serving as proof of this divine lineage.

Unlike their sister clan, the Xaela, who bloody the land with their endless tribal conflict, the Raen have embraced a life of tranquility and solitude, long abandoning the nomadic lifestyle of their ancestors to settle the deep valleys of Othard's mountainous eastern reaches. Only on rare occasions will one emerge from the valley mists to seek adventure in realms afar.

Xaela
Auri creation myth tells of a Dawn Father and a Dusk Mother from whom all Au Ra are descended. The Xaela believe their veins to run thick with the blood of the latter—their lustrous black scales and fiery wills serving as proof of this divine lineage.

Unlike their sister clan, the Raen, who lead solitary lives hidden behind the savage peaks of Othard's eastern reaches, the Xaela are free spirits who roam the vast western steppe in close-knit tribes hunting, gathering, and warring as their ancestors have for countless generations.

Care to point out where it says they are in fact not dragons and where it says demon at all?

[Oberon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphna:

Yeah... that says scholars contest things and that they question the theory. It also says absolutely nothing about demons.

Sorry, I skimmed your post out of habit.

Point is, they retconned it a while back once they realized the folly of letting you play as a draconic species in an anti-dragon setting. It's not talked about in game, though, but then again neither are the races' similarities to their XI counterparts. Their initial designs were based on dragons, sure, but SE is on record stating that the final designs are demonic. The lore entry is likely a reference to this.

[Gabby]

They didn't retocn anything. Again, you should go back and read my posts. There's not a single place where they did so. People quoting your belief fall back on a Nico Nico announcement where YoshiP talked about how you could make them look demonic if you wanted to.

Some turd on Reddit inserted the dragon bit and the claim they were based on demons. SE never said their final designs were based on Demons.

It's also not an anti-dragon settings. I suggest playing the storyline.

[Big Boom Boom]

Demon in Hydaelyn, refer to as Voidkin, is vastly different from the standard conception of Demon. Voidkin are of all shapes and forms, for some you can argue there's no actual form and they can take on the shape they prefer like Cloud of Darkness or Dullahan (which is basically formless and possess the armour). However, in all their forms they lack one thing the Au Ra have: scales. Voidkin are not lizardlike, at all.

Known voidkin models:
Imps
Succubus
Batman Bartram
Cthulhu Mindflayer
Dullahan
Cloud of Darkness
Ahriman (?)
Cerberus
Atomos (?) these beings travel between space and time either way

[Gabby]

They're also not scaled, they have thick hides at times and skin protusions, but they don't have scales. Au'Ra actually brag abou their hard dragon like scales. It's in both their descriptions.

Also being Voidspawn related would be a really bad lore move... because your connection to Hydaelan would kill you.

[Oberon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphna:

They didn't retocn anything. Again, you should go back and read my posts. There's not a single place where they did so. People quoting your belief fall back on a Nico Nico announcement where YoshiP talked about how you could make them look demonic if you wanted to.

Some turd on Reddit inserted the dragon bit and the claim they were based on demons. SE never said their final designs were based on Demons.

So basically, your retort is "No they didn't, and the places they did is just stuff people made up."

Cute.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphna:

It's also not an anti-dragon settings. I suggest playing the storyline.

Right, sorry, Ishgard loves dragons, I forgot. How silly of me. I forgot when you get there you find out the Dragonsong War that's been raging for centuries was just a joke someone made up, and you find the Archbishop and Nidhogg having tea and laughing about it. And the whole "heretic" nonsense was just their form of pulling pranks on one another.

Not to say that doesn't change, clearly it does but if you don't think Ishgard is anti-dragon at the start of the story, you need to stop skipping cutscenes.