Boring and stiff gameplay...

[Grace O'Malley]

Am I really the only one who thinks Final fantasy 14 Online is bad. I have been playing for many hours - over 300. MSQ almost made me tear my hair out of my head - too much was said and part of the language was on a level that almost required a university degree! And as for one's character, it's stiff to move and jumps like it's dirty in its pants! The fights are boring and monotonous - you can not feel the big difference in playstyle - whether you play one or the other character makes no difference. In general, much of the game seems old and desolate.

[ZeeHero]

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FFXIV combat isn't outdated lmao. Seriously STFU.

Correction, The mechanics in high level content isn't. but that system of tab targeting was becoming obsolete nearly 10 years ago. and if you had the capacity for learning and experiencing many games, you would already know this.

[Raansu]

Publicado originalmente por ZeeHero:

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FFXIV combat isn't outdated lmao. Seriously STFU.

Correction, The mechanics in high level content isn't. but that system of tab targeting was becoming obsolete nearly 10 years ago. and if you had the capacity for learning and experiencing many games, you would already know this.

Different ≠ obsolete.

Meanwhile all your precious "action" MMO's are all at the bottom of the wastebins fighting each other for their tiny playerbases.

[JP23_Chaos]

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Correction, The mechanics in high level content isn't. but that system of tab targeting was becoming obsolete nearly 10 years ago. and if you had the capacity for learning and experiencing many games, you would already know this.

Different ≠ obsolete.

Meanwhile all your precious "action" MMO's are all at the bottom of the wastebins fighting each other for their tiny playerbases.

^ This.

I would agree, its also a question of personal preference. But the tab targeting system in MMOs does seem to the be the more widespread/successful and preferred by mmo players.

[Raansu]

Publicado originalmente por Chaos_JP:

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Different ≠ obsolete.

Meanwhile all your precious "action" MMO's are all at the bottom of the wastebins fighting each other for their tiny playerbases.

^ This.

I would agree, its also a question of personal preference. But the tab targeting system in MMOs does seem to the be the more widespread/successful and preferred by mmo players.

Ya I don't have a problem with action mmo's, but I prefer tab targeting as every action mmo I have tried has generally just been pretty shallow and spammy. New World was probably the closest I got to enjoying an action mmo, but by level 30 I was pretty bored of it. I REALLY wanted to like ESO as I'm a huge elder scrolls fan, but everything about that game was just a big no for me. Animations were all simplistic and floaty, combat felt clunky and the progression system was just awful.

[Bulldozer]

If you think you need a Uni degree to read this game, you should go play New World. That requires a grade 5 level of English.

[Sardorim]

If you think it's bad then maybe this game isn't for you.

Have you considered Call of Duty or [Insert Copy and Paste Sports game] 2022? That should be more up your alleyway.

[Rabbit]

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Publicado originalmente por ZeeHero:

Correction, The mechanics in high level content isn't. but that system of tab targeting was becoming obsolete nearly 10 years ago. and if you had the capacity for learning and experiencing many games, you would already know this.

Different ≠ obsolete.

Meanwhile all your precious "action" MMO's are all at the bottom of the wastebins fighting each other for their tiny playerbases.

Do not forget that FF14 had an complete different system at start. No one liked that, so there had to rework everything and now there are using this no brain system for the masses like every other theme park mmo out there.

[Lusus Symphonia]

Publicado originalmente por Rabbit:

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Different ≠ obsolete.

Meanwhile all your precious "action" MMO's are all at the bottom of the wastebins fighting each other for their tiny playerbases.

Do not forget that FF14 had an complete different system at start. No one liked that, so there had to rework everything and now there are using this no brain system for the masses like every other theme park mmo out there.

Lets not forget SE getting a shocking realisation that it's player-base are absolutely rubbish at playing the game after releasing Titan HM and The Steps Of Faith.

I can't remember what it was but Titan HM was a requirement for something that gated a LOT of people, they were even selling runs in the PF at the time.

and Steps of faith was just hilarious, adding mechanics to a trial a requirement to follow wasn't going to pass with the casual crowd so it was nerfed so hard that you can literally have one tank scoop all the adds up, COMPLETELY IGNORE THEM and focus down the boss by the time he reaches half way across the bridge.

Before it was nerfed, raid teams were skipping mechanics on the last bridge area to burst him down.

[Raansu]

Publicado originalmente por Rabbit:

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Different ≠ obsolete.

Meanwhile all your precious "action" MMO's are all at the bottom of the wastebins fighting each other for their tiny playerbases.

Do not forget that FF14 had an complete different system at start. No one liked that, so there had to rework everything and now there are using this no brain system for the masses like every other theme park mmo out there.

I don't think 1.0's combat was all that bad, especially after they updated it and added the job system. Honestly the core problems with 1.0 were design choices like fatigue and just the general lack of content, and the little content you did have was extremely limited. Also the game ran terribly even on high end machines of the time lol.

[Raansu]

Publicado originalmente por Red Monk:

Publicado originalmente por Rabbit:

Do not forget that FF14 had an complete different system at start. No one liked that, so there had to rework everything and now there are using this no brain system for the masses like every other theme park mmo out there.

Lets not forget SE getting a shocking realisation that it's player-base are absolutely rubbish at playing the game after releasing Titan HM and The Steps Of Faith.

I can't remember what it was but Titan HM was a requirement for something that gated a LOT of people, they were even selling runs in the PF at the time.

and Steps of faith was just hilarious, adding mechanics to a trial a requirement to follow wasn't going to pass with the casual crowd so it was nerfed so hard that you can literally have one tank scoop all the adds up, COMPLETELY IGNORE THEM and focus down the boss by the time he reaches half way across the bridge.

Before it was nerfed, raid teams were skipping mechanics on the last bridge area to burst him down.

You had to clear HM to unlock extreme. I never really found Titan all that difficult honestly. I think current extremes and savage content are way more mechanic heavy.

[Kiana]

Publicado originalmente por Red Monk:

I can't remember what it was but Titan HM was a requirement for something that gated a LOT of people, they were even selling runs in the PF at the time.

The problem with Titan was that the netcode used to be even worse and getting punted off the platform meant you were out the entire fight. So it was extremely punishing to any mistakes or the slightest lag spike.

Edit: Oh, and getting punted off the platform means not even being able to see the fight while dead, so first timers couldn't even use the opportunity to observe and learn his other attacks.

and Steps of faith was just hilarious, adding mechanics to a trial a requirement to follow wasn't going to pass with the casual crowd so it was nerfed so hard that you can literally have one tank scoop all the adds up, COMPLETELY IGNORE THEM and focus down the boss by the time he reaches half way across the bridge.

Before it was nerfed, raid teams were skipping mechanics on the last bridge area to burst him down.

Steps of Faith had the problem that, even with everyone playing pretty optimally, it was a LONG fight. This is likely the primary cause of Vishap's health being nerfed into the floor; people were immediately abandoning the duty when they got it in roulette, which was gating people from getting into Heavensward.

What got his damage nerfed was that you can't really reset the fight, so there's no option to just end the pull, give a couple pointers to the sprouts and try again. Plus the fight wasn't terribly future-proofed: You needed people manning cannons, you could not afford to miss using the dragonkillers to interrupt him, etc. and expecting people to remember the trial's mechanics years later is asking for disappointment.

[Lusus Symphonia]

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You had to clear HM to unlock extreme. I never really found Titan all that difficult honestly. I think current extremes and savage content are way more mechanic heavy.

Just looked it up, Titan HM was actually required to continue the story and it was the bane of all casuals.

Good times.

Not to mention it was on Ps3, where the AoEs didn't even show up for some people "lag" became the meme excuse for Titan HM.

[Stormy Dawn]

Publicado originalmente por Red Monk:

I can't remember what it was but Titan HM was a requirement for something that gated a LOT of people, they were even selling runs in the PF at the time.

Titan HM was required to complete the relic.

And to be fair, Titan HM was harder back in the day. Between the horrible netcode in the early days of 2.0 and the amount of players playing on PS3, Weight of the Land was prohibitively hard to dodge even for organized groups, to say nothing of a team of pugs - it was very hard to physically move out of the move in time, there were many instances of being out of the AOE on your screen but getting hit by the attack anyway... A LOT.

Things got a lot better after patch 2.1 when they improved a lot of server side infrastructure and more and more people were learning that PS3 support for the game was hot garbage.

[Raansu]

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You had to clear HM to unlock extreme. I never really found Titan all that difficult honestly. I think current extremes and savage content are way more mechanic heavy.

Just looked it up, Titan HM was actually required to continue the story and it was the bane of all casuals.

Good times.

I don't recall it being required for the story. Was it post patch content? All I remember was I had to do it to unlock ex.

[Komarimaru]

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Just looked it up, Titan HM was actually required to continue the story and it was the bane of all casuals.

Good times.

I don't recall it being required for the story. Was it post patch content? All I remember was I had to do it to unlock ex.

I'd have to make an alt to check, but do know that Titan HM was required back in 2020 for MSQ still, no idea if it's removed now.