The Wuk Lamat hate meme is cringe af

[Adam__86]

I miss when Steam wasn't infested with anti woke clowns repeating whatever some random said on Twitter / X without any independent thought

[Moonlight Knight]

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I mean. I think the premise behind SBI is pretty cringe, generally.

Not really. If you want to write a story more inclusive of other cultures but don't actually know how to go about that or can't find good resources on it, it's good to be able to consult someone, I think.

Admittedly, as a fan of that idea, it still does sound like SBI is cringe at the very least, and possibly much worse than that. I take certain sources with a grain of salt, but I'm willing to keep an eye on them all the same.

[Haru]

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I mean. I think the premise behind SBI is pretty cringe, generally.

Not really. If you want to write a story more inclusive of other cultures but don't actually know how to go about that or can't find good resources on it, it's good to be able to consult someone, I think.

Admittedly, as a fan of that idea, it still does sound like SBI is cringe at the very least, and possibly much worse than that. I take certain sources with a grain of salt, but I'm willing to keep an eye on them all the same.

I think it makes a lot more sense to hire an actual consultant for your firm on such things. Ubisoft used to put an enormous amount of effort into sitting down and doing the research on the cultures they were describing for their games, that usually all took place in the office.

The problem with leaving it to a firm, is the lack of discernible credibility and potential bias that firm might have for specific themes or tropes.

But yeah, I think you're right, generally. I stand by the idea that way too many folks like to attribute every piece of bad writing to this singular boogieman company.

[Moonlight Knight]

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Not really. If you want to write a story more inclusive of other cultures but don't actually know how to go about that or can't find good resources on it, it's good to be able to consult someone, I think.

Admittedly, as a fan of that idea, it still does sound like SBI is cringe at the very least, and possibly much worse than that. I take certain sources with a grain of salt, but I'm willing to keep an eye on them all the same.

I think it makes a lot more sense to hire an actual consultant for your firm on such things. Ubisoft used to put an enormous amount of effort into sitting down and doing the research on the cultures they were describing for their games, that usually all took place in the office.

The problem with leaving it to a firm, is the lack of discernible credibility and potential bias that firm might have for specific themes or tropes.

But yeah, I think you're right, generally. I stand by the idea that way too many folks like to attribute every piece of bad writing to this singular boogieman company.

You know, that's a fair criticism. My only critical response to it is to point out a specific example in Star Trek: Voyager, of the studio hiring a consultant on Native Americans who turned out to be a complete fraud. Everything to do with Chakotay was basically made up wholecloth To Sound Native American, and the studio really DID try to do its due diligence.

Not to say you're necessarily wrong, just that you can end up with a bad result either way.

[The Sin Of Cain]

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I mean. I think the premise behind SBI is pretty cringe, generally.

But the amount of free real estate that they obtain in the minds of the crazy is unreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq86DnmX2xY

"Terrify them if they don't give you what you want."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRrkJIU3L-U

Hiring based on race is wrong, unless you refuse to hire white people. Then it's ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4pNCEVlVE

Hating Asian, white, and gamers is cool with them as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w53gVZAw3k

Lets contact employers of people we don't like, to try to get them fired too! While we're at it, let's also bash Akira Toriyama right after he died cause we hate asians and whites!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddnANTQr3AE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1BDzPM9cLs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMTFnr2xCio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW1SFcG7_z8

These are just some quick youtube look ups. They are quite a bit past cringe.

[KnowledgeCoffee]

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I miss when Steam wasn't infested with anti woke clowns repeating whatever some random said on Twitter / X without any independent thought

I dont think they are woke, but they are annoying. FFXIV doesnt have any woke politics in it.. In fact its arguable that its anti woke

[Lord Adorable]

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I miss when Steam wasn't infested with anti woke clowns repeating whatever some random said on Twitter / X without any independent thought

In fact its arguable that its anti woke

No it ain't.

[Moonlight Knight]

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In fact its arguable that its anti woke

No it ain't.

I'd love to hear that argument.

But it probably hinges on the definition of woke being "all these BAD things that are BAD and nobody could interpret any of them in a good way, because it's only woke if it's BAD."

[Sel Und Irae]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLUkgRAy_Vo

a.

I mean, Majority of the people here do this.

(I have been guilty of it myself)

Nowdays this forum is better content than the actual game.

[Lord Adorable]

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a.

I mean, Majority of the people here do this.

(I have been guilty of it myself)

Nowdays this forum is better content than the actual game.

That is certaintly an opinion you have and you are free to have it.

[Adam__86]

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My source is the fact that nowhere online does it officially say Sweet Baby Inc consulted for FFXIV. Do you know how many games SE has? If you genuinely believe that SBI consult every single game from every clients catalogue then you have serious brain rot

If you think SBi didn't touch one of SE's biggest Geese that lays the golden eggs, then perhaps you're the one with the brain rot. Though like I said, bury your head in the sand and just pretend it didn't happen. I'm not against DEI or "Woke Ideology" overall, just SBI. Legit any other DEI consultant firm would be fine, just NOT Sweet Baby Inc. They are corrupt, racist, and misandrist. Not to mention they have no issues threatening and using exertion tactics to spread their message of hate and get money.

Dude, you have yet to show evidence so wtf do you want me to do? Believe SBI is involved with 500+ games because random person online tells me so?

[HolyGrail]

I haven't gotten to the end of EW yet so I haven't met her yet... if it turns out she's poorly written character hopefully Yoshi will do the same he did with Alphinaud and try make her likeable?

[Haru]

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I think it makes a lot more sense to hire an actual consultant for your firm on such things. Ubisoft used to put an enormous amount of effort into sitting down and doing the research on the cultures they were describing for their games, that usually all took place in the office.

The problem with leaving it to a firm, is the lack of discernible credibility and potential bias that firm might have for specific themes or tropes.

But yeah, I think you're right, generally. I stand by the idea that way too many folks like to attribute every piece of bad writing to this singular boogieman company.

You know, that's a fair criticism. My only critical response to it is to point out a specific example in Star Trek: Voyager, of the studio hiring a consultant on Native Americans who turned out to be a complete fraud. Everything to do with Chakotay was basically made up wholecloth To Sound Native American, and the studio really DID try to do its due diligence.

Not to say you're necessarily wrong, just that you can end up with a bad result either way.

Oddly, I'm watching Star Trek Voyager right now for the second time around - ten years later, so I'm in a somewhat unique position to reply to this with more thought than I ordinarily would. (In the middle of season 4 at the moment, where nearly every problem is solved by the 'borg tech' macguffin).

Yeah, the Chakotay episodes with native american themes feel so stereotypical that it beggars belief.

And pretty much, yeah. The best way to handle this, imo, is in-studio, by exploring perspectives that are credible. Writers do this all of the time when incorporating things into their novels.

[$CRWD]

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If you think SBi didn't touch one of SE's biggest Geese that lays the golden eggs, then perhaps you're the one with the brain rot. Though like I said, bury your head in the sand and just pretend it didn't happen. I'm not against DEI or "Woke Ideology" overall, just SBI. Legit any other DEI consultant firm would be fine, just NOT Sweet Baby Inc. They are corrupt, racist, and misandrist. Not to mention they have no issues threatening and using exertion tactics to spread their message of hate and get money.

Dude, you have yet to show evidence so wtf do you want me to do? Believe SBI is involved with 500+ games because random person online tells me so?

Wait, you mean to say you don't take the word of others at face value and treat it as gospel? You actually rely on evidence and citations to come to your conclusions? You must be a troll.

/s

[Lord Adorable]

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If you think SBi didn't touch one of SE's biggest Geese that lays the golden eggs, then perhaps you're the one with the brain rot. Though like I said, bury your head in the sand and just pretend it didn't happen. I'm not against DEI or "Woke Ideology" overall, just SBI. Legit any other DEI consultant firm would be fine, just NOT Sweet Baby Inc. They are corrupt, racist, and misandrist. Not to mention they have no issues threatening and using exertion tactics to spread their message of hate and get money.

Dude, you have yet to show evidence so wtf do you want me to do? Believe SBI is involved with 500+ games because random person online tells me so?

I think that is the idea.

I remain fairly unconvinced of this approach myself, it dosn't seem very reliable. It also dosn't have anything to do with FFXIV at all from what I can tell.

[Haru]

I think people can accept that the approach or at times, intervention of SBI is flawed without being obsessed with this idea that they have their fingers in every pie.