The Wuk Lamat hate meme is cringe af

[Adam__86]

I miss when Steam wasn't infested with anti woke clowns repeating whatever some random said on Twitter / X without any independent thought

[Moonlight Knight]

I do think that Shadowbringers and Endwalker did spoil people, too. People forget how many years went into setting up the stories that took place in those expacs, and that those stories are finished. Setting up anything anywhere near that good is gonna take time, so the best to expect would probably be Heavensward and Stormblood-tier writing... And I seem to remember a lot of people not liking either of those expacs.

[aisukasama]

Im a side character in a MMO

[aisukasama]

Originally posted by ninesters:

Im a side character in a MMO

the npcs should kill the main boss from now on honestly.

[Sayo]

"It's the start of a new adventure so expect bad writing" is certainly a take.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Sayo:

"It's the start of a new adventure so expect bad writing" is certainly a take.

Not what I said, but people seem to love to shove words in my mouth, so I guess enjoy.

[Nico Yazawa]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Originally posted by Sayo:

"It's the start of a new adventure so expect bad writing" is certainly a take.

Not what I said, but people seem to love to shove words in my mouth, so I guess enjoy.

Your comment was basically "it's the start, it's set up. it's not gonna be as good as the finale"

Endwalker story wasn't even all that good honestly. But people think it's somehow better than Shadowbringers because it was the finale or whatever. DT is just worse in every regard. Before DT, people said ARR or SB was the worst story but now it's pretty unanimously agreed it's DT.

DT story isn't bad because it's "a fresh start" it's bad because it sucks. They pushed a side character to be the de facto main character and having the de facto main character be annoying is not enjoyable when you go from the MC to a babysitter.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Nico Yazawa:

Your comment was basically "it's the start, it's set up. it's not gonna be as good as the finale"

I guess you could interpret it that way if you absolutely hated Stormblood and Heavensward, sure. I didn't. They were good expacs, they just weren't life-changing or brain-chemistry-altering like Shadowbringers and Endwalker were.

Originally posted by Nico Yazawa:

Endwalker story wasn't even all that good honestly. But people think it's somehow better than Shadowbringers because it was the finale or whatever. DT is just worse in every regard. Before DT, people said ARR or SB was the worst story but now it's pretty unanimously agreed it's DT.

The idea that Endwalker was bad is still silly as hell to me, but you do you. "Unanimously" is a pretty strong word.

Originally posted by Nico Yazawa:

DT story isn't bad because it's "a fresh start" it's bad because it sucks. They pushed a side character to be the de facto main character and having the de facto main character be annoying is not enjoyable when you go from the MC to a babysitter.

Other people have pointed out, the WoL being a hypercompetent side character is not exactly a new thing. Plus, after having reached the climax of a very personal story, I don't see any problem with a "babysitting" sort of story personally.

[Calandir]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

I do think that Shadowbringers and Endwalker did spoil people, too. People forget how many years went into setting up the stories that took place in those expacs, and that those stories are finished. Setting up anything anywhere near that good is gonna take time, so the best to expect would probably be Heavensward and Stormblood-tier writing... And I seem to remember a lot of people not liking either of those expacs.

HW and SB were better than Dawntrail. Especially SB. People don't realize how good the occupation arc was.

[manuealex]

how dare you dislike the one character that is dawntrail's blackhole! lool ! twelve frobid you have cutscene/interaction where wuk lmao is not involved

[Sally smithson]

The only issue I have is living memory, that entire area just feels out of place. I hate the audio, I dislike the moments there. I hate the place, nothing except the MSQ dungeon feels right

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Calandir:

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

I do think that Shadowbringers and Endwalker did spoil people, too. People forget how many years went into setting up the stories that took place in those expacs, and that those stories are finished. Setting up anything anywhere near that good is gonna take time, so the best to expect would probably be Heavensward and Stormblood-tier writing... And I seem to remember a lot of people not liking either of those expacs.

HW and SB were better than Dawntrail. Especially SB. People don't realize how good the occupation arc was.

I agree HW and SB are good. I actually rankle when people insult SB particularly. IMO the only "weakness" that SB suffered was it was a good story that happened right before Shadowbringers. As much as I adored it it was always destined to become forgettable in comparison.

All this said, we're already setting up some interesting possibilities in Dawntrail, and the future story ideas the devs have brought up almost all sound really cool, so hate it if you want, I'll be enjoying it and looking forward to what's to come.

Originally posted by manuealex:

how dare you dislike the one character that is dawntrail's blackhole! lool ! twelve frobid you have cutscene/interaction where wuk lmao is not involved

I think the devs probably expected more of the audience to like Wuk Lamat partly because of how excited the audience was to have playable female Hrothgar.

[DontEatSmurfs]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Originally posted by Calandir:

HW and SB were better than Dawntrail. Especially SB. People don't realize how good the occupation arc was.

I agree HW and SB are good. I actually rankle when people insult SB particularly. IMO the only "weakness" that SB suffered was it was a good story that happened right before Shadowbringers. As much as I adored it it was always destined to become forgettable in comparison.

All this said, we're already setting up some interesting possibilities in Dawntrail, and the future story ideas the devs have brought up almost all sound really cool, so hate it if you want, I'll be enjoying it and looking forward to what's to come.

Originally posted by manuealex:

how dare you dislike the one character that is dawntrail's blackhole! lool ! twelve frobid you have cutscene/interaction where wuk lmao is not involved

I think the devs probably expected more of the audience to like Wuk Lamat partly because of how excited the audience was to have playable female Hrothgar.

i feel like stormblood had the issue to mix two completely different stories, at the time i wanted to see more hien i had to stick with lise, i believe there were more people in my shoes, some would love lise and didnt want hien at that specific time and they would be put off
the pacing of the story is what dictates if the expansion will be good or not, if the pacing is engaging, you fill like you are working towards something bigger, its going to be a banger, the moment you fill you are like just wasting time, its going to suck, you energy is already getting sucked by something you dont see the logic in doing so
if i would make a tier list for expansions mine would be

HSW>END>SHB>STB>DWT>ARR

what saves dawntrail imo are the raids and dungeons, the way the devs changed how they wanted the fights to roll imo is a BIG step forward, less raid wipes and more chances for me to heal everyone back ? i love this i really do, the way DWT explores the arena is also really interesting, having prishe throwing you around the arena
having to dodge thousands of needles from Queen B. i really like this, also the entire energy with the new raids, we now have raids that are more fun its fun to be a gladiator for example, i spend the majority of my time doing dungeons and raids and im having the BEST time right now with DWT, its really that good
the issue i have is with MSQ, its completely out of pace