The Wuk Lamat hate meme is cringe af

[Adam__86]

I miss when Steam wasn't infested with anti woke clowns repeating whatever some random said on Twitter / X without any independent thought

[Shield]

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I recommend reddit for you, they're shrieking "TransPHoBE!!!!" at everyone who points out how terrible Wok LMAO is, you'll fit right in. Assuming you aren't just jester farming.

Bro. I got banned from the FFXIV subreddit because I called Wuk the most Mary Sue character every written.

And the top reply before the mods rushed to ban me was "Transphobe."

What did you say exactly?

[Sally smithson]

I still dont get why people are so angry over the VA specifically? Like the character is written to approach mary sue levels with the amount of diplomacy she can get done.
The character is doing cringe things at times.

But i dont know how a different VA could have made Wuk lamat any different compared to the VA we have now.

[Moonlight Knight]

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I still dont get why people are so angry over the VA specifically? Like the character is written to approach mary sue levels with the amount of diplomacy she can get done.
The character is doing cringe things at times.

But i dont know how a different VA could have made Wuk lamat any different compared to the VA we have now.

Voice acting can really make or break a performance. Personally I don't understand the problem people have with the voice actress, I like Wuk Lamat's voice. But if a voice performance doesn't hit, it can make a character's actual things they say much more apparently bad.

That said, I think a lot of the people who hate the VA are still just being outright transphobic and just trying not to admit it. Not all of them, but many more than are willing to say it.

[manywhelps]

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That said, I think a lot of the people who hate the VA are still just being outright transphobic and just trying not to admit it. Not all of them, but many more than are willing to say it.

how many exactly? seems a bit easy to throw this around and the 'gaming journos' were quick to respond on this basis as well. Saying 'its not all but its a lot' is a cheap move with no actual foundation.

i personally don't think the VA is particularly exceptional but what is way worse is the lines she has been given and the lack of range in her character and I think this is more plausible as a reason for the dislike than oh no its transphobia.

I am probably transactivistphobic though, I will give you that :) many of them, but not all, argue (see what i did there) from an emotional blackmail pov.

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Sally smithson lähetti viestin:

I still dont get why people are so angry over the VA specifically? Like the character is written to approach mary sue levels with the amount of diplomacy she can get done.
The character is doing cringe things at times.

But i dont know how a different VA could have made Wuk lamat any different compared to the VA we have now.

Voice acting can really make or break a performance. Personally I don't understand the problem people have with the voice actress, I like Wuk Lamat's voice. But if a voice performance doesn't hit, it can make a character's actual things they say much more apparently bad.

That said, I think a lot of the people who hate the VA are still just being outright transphobic and just trying not to admit it. Not all of them, but many more than are willing to say it.

There's a comment somewhere around there where it's tricky to discuss Wuk Lamat's VA's performance because there are a lot of bad faith actors and generally sh!tty people who conflate her performance with the fact she's trans, and just as many people dismissing critiques because, well, anyone who doesn't love her performance top to bottom is obviously a phobe.

Personally, I think considering Wuk Lamat had BY FAR the most voiced lines in the entire expansion, with Sphene being second or third place and having *half* Wuk Lamat's VA, she killed most of them. Pound for pound, a good job.

But when the VA falls flat, good lord does she fall flat. The end fight's cutscene?

"SPHENE, LISTEN TO ME!"

That took me right out of the entire experience. I've heard people say it's the VA director's fault, the VA herself's fault, God's fault, my dog's fault, but whatever copium you choose to imbibe, that line *sucked.*

I also cannot think of another character whose performance is as mixed as Wuk Lamat's. Bakool Ja Ja kills every scene, Koana nails it, Gulool Ja Ja feels believable, and even Gulool Ja the child lizard has some really heart-wrenching performances. Otis, Sphene... the list goes on. I can't think of a single *bad* moment for any of their (English) VAs, but Wuk Lamat has quite a few.

A mixed performance, all told, but I hope to see the character and her VA appear in the story again.

[Moonlight Knight]

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That said, I think a lot of the people who hate the VA are still just being outright transphobic and just trying not to admit it. Not all of them, but many more than are willing to say it.

how many exactly? seems a bit easy to throw this around and the 'gaming journos' were quick to respond on this basis as well. Saying 'its not all but its a lot' is a cheap move with no actual foundation.

i personally don't think the VA is particularly exceptional but what is way worse is the lines she has been given and the lack of range in her character and I think this is more plausible as a reason for the dislike than oh no its transphobia.

I am probably transactivistphobic though, I will give you that :) many of them, but not all, argue (see what i did there) from an emotional blackmail pov.

see Owlbear's response. It made a good point, and it was also a lot more constructively critical than yours, and I basically agree with it.

[FreshMint]

owlBear lähetti viestin:

There's a comment somewhere around there where it's tricky to discuss Wuk Lamat's VA's performance because there are a lot of bad faith actors and generally sh!tty people who conflate her performance with the fact she's trans, and just as many people dismissing critiques because, well, anyone who doesn't love her performance top to bottom is obviously a phobe.

Personally, I think considering Wuk Lamat had BY FAR the most voiced lines in the entire expansion, with Sphene being second or third place and having *half* Wuk Lamat's VA, she killed most of them. Pound for pound, a good job.

But when the VA falls flat, good lord does she fall flat. The end fight's cutscene?

"SPHENE, LISTEN TO ME!"

That took me right out of the entire experience. I've heard people say it's the VA director's fault, the VA herself's fault, God's fault, my dog's fault, but whatever copium you choose to imbibe, that line *sucked.*

Feeling this a lot yeah.

It's wonderful someone like Sena Bryer can fit a role like that and her voice works pretty well for the character but wow the performance in that moment took some wind out of the sails of the fight's intensity.
It's a shame too because with that being a defining moment towards the end of the base expansion it's sticks with you a lot more easily.

I hope she can manage to filter out the people that just don't like the actor because ideologies and actually keep an ear open for criticism about the actual acting/performance.
Guess we'll see how that'll go, the expansion's cycle has barely begun.

[Adam__86]

Honestly people saying she doesn't have range seems more about her accent... I mean Earnville is pretty flat with his accent

[Moonlight Knight]

Adam__86 lähetti viestin:

Honestly people saying she doesn't have range seems more about her accent... I mean Earnville is pretty flat with his accent

Agreed, though I will point out Erenville is a kind of character you expect to be more flat in his delivery. Wuk Lamat is clearly written with emotional range in mind, so while I mostly disagree with claims that Wuk Lamat's delivery is flat, I also don't think Erenville is a good point of comparison.

[Giganx]

It feels like some of the complaints come from people who just watch too much shonen anime. If you're not screaming at the top of your lungs for 8 consecutive minutes you're not showing emotion.

They mainly watch subbed anime to, despite not understanding Japanese, so they basically just try to interpret emotion through volume. LOUD = EMOTIONZ!! I love anime, but anime fans are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

[Nico Yazawa]

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I recommend reddit for you, they're shrieking "TransPHoBE!!!!" at everyone who points out how terrible Wok LMAO is, you'll fit right in. Assuming you aren't just jester farming.

Bro. I got banned from the FFXIV subreddit because I called Wuk the most Mary Sue character every written.

And the top reply before the mods rushed to ban me was "Transphobe."

Lmao, I see the mainsub hasn't changed even in all these years.

[Angrypillow]

Adam__86 lähetti viestin:

I miss when Steam wasn't infested with anti woke clowns repeating whatever some random said on Twitter / X without any independent thought

I miss when people would recognize differing opinions without assuming they were just repeating other people.

[haze]

I was begging for her to go away the second half of the story, f outta here lmao. Id still leave an overall positive review of the expac and story but she was the worst part lmao. Especially the last like 40% of msq, she was annoying asf. Dont like my opinion? Thats alright

[Adam__86]

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Adam__86 lähetti viestin:

I miss when Steam wasn't infested with anti woke clowns repeating whatever some random said on Twitter / X without any independent thought

I miss when people would recognize differing opinions without assuming they were just repeating other people.

Because that is what happens or are you new to reality

[Blue]

She's boring.