Why did they change Tribes to Society?

[Uncle Jon]

I know its probably because of "woke" localizers. But what exactly is wrong with calling them Tribes other than its not pc which I never thought it was offensive to call them that? Did they change other things to be more pc redundant?

[Aya]

I mean, imagine calling a highly civilized society of Pelupelu a tribe, I'm sure I'd be offended if I were them.

Though I'm not sure why they made the change retroactively when there's no need to but I guess it's to streamlining the process, but i digress.

[Topper mcnabb]

Lorewise: this tie with them moving away from the concept of beast tribes being "savages" in the MSQ as these beast tribes slowly are allying themselves with the Eorzean Alliance and forsaking their savage nature, the name change was inevitable, as they were deemed "beasts" because they worshipped the Banshin "foreing/savage gods" translated as Primals.
By the end of EW you pretty much eliminated all presence of Primals everywhere.

As for the less savory RL PC reasons: According to the lead of localization back in a Fanfest panel, they had "sensitivity consultants" to prevent "an apu incident" in this game when dealing with cultures such as indian and furthermore natives, it's easy to see that naming groups of foreigners as "beasts" did ring some bells in the SE Ethics Department.
Althou I wish they had gone with "Allied quests" rather than "allied societies" because the later sounds like souless corpo BS I expect from Ubisith.

[Uncle Jon]

Originally posted by Topper mcnabb:

Lorewise: this tie with them moving away from the concept of beast tribes being "savages" in the MSQ as these beast tribes slowly are allying themselves with the Eorzean Alliance and forsaking their savage nature, the name change was inevitable, as they were deemed "beasts" because they worshipped the Banshin "foreing/savage gods" translated as Primals.
By the end of EW you pretty much eliminated all presence of Primals everywhere.

As for the less savory RL PC reasons: According to the lead of localization back in a Fanfest panel, they had "sensitivity consultants" to prevent "an apu incident" in this game when dealing with cultures such as indian and furthermore natives, it's easy to see that naming groups of foreigners as "beasts" did ring some bells in the SE Ethics Department.
Althou I wish they had gone with "Allied quests" rather than "allied societies" because the later sounds like souless corpo BS I expect from Ubisith.

I like your answer, I agree they probably should have gone with allied quest than society

[Generic-Raider]

Don't matter i will always call it a beast tribe

[Stevey The Ex-Eevee]

during 2020, everyone and their mom was refering to eachother as their "tribe". "find your tribe"
now suddenly "tribe" is an offensive term again? lmao what. Trying to even humour this wacko circus is a game of psychosis.

[GeminiEclipse]

Because they aren't necessarily tribes. Like the hippo riders are more of like a sports team. The tribe would be closer to the village they come from (and it's actually a mix of two tribes really). The bunnies are a tribe, but it's more a segment of the tribe that you work for to help the whole of the tribe. The coffee shop is a coffee shop, not really a tribe.

Allied societies does actually work if you look at the second definition of society.

"an organization or club formed for a particular purpose or activity."

It's a bit odd because we usually think of a society as like a big thing like a city with hundreds of thousands of people.

[Topper mcnabb]

Originally posted by Stevey The Ex-Eevee:

during 2020, everyone and their mom was refering to eachother as their "tribe". "find your tribe"
now suddenly "tribe" is an offensive term again? lmao what. Trying to even humour this wacko circus is a game of psychosis.

Meanwhile JP have it named as 友好部族クエスト "friendly tribe quests"
in French you have it Quêtes des peuples alliés "Allied people's quest"
and German Freundesvölker "friendly people".

[Tekmaal]

I think the emphasis was more on removing the "Beast" than the "Tribe"

[Veotax]

The new name is weird, but we're getting to the point where the "tribes" we're questing for aren't tribes at all.

Hell, all of the Endwalker tribes don't fit the name. A racing group we're helping set up a delivery business, the Loporrits, and then setting up a restaurant at the end of the universe.
The tribe name stopped making sense.

Granted, I think the new name is clumsy, personally.

[Hotcross]

Originally posted by Aya:

I mean, imagine calling a highly civilized society of Pelupelu a tribe, I'm sure I'd be offended if I were them.

Some native Americans call their own groups "tribes". Are you saying they are uncivilized? A "tribe" is typically a form of govt organization and nothing to be ashamed of.
They could have just dropped the word "beast" and been fine. If they wanted to change the name completely, then "Tribal nations" may have been good as well or "tribal societies".

[Aya]

Originally posted by Hotcross:

Originally posted by Aya:

I mean, imagine calling a highly civilized society of Pelupelu a tribe, I'm sure I'd be offended if I were them.

Some native Americans call their own groups "tribes". Are you saying they are uncivilized? A "tribe" is typically a form of govt organization and nothing to be ashamed of.
They could have just dropped the word "beast" and been fine. If they wanted to change the name completely, then "Tribal nations" may have been good as well or "tribal societies".

Did they originally or was it something they settled upon as they adopted the English language? Because iirc some of them was called nations during the 1600s and 1700s.

[furfrou7071]

we live in a society....

[Topper mcnabb]

Originally posted by Aya:

Did they originally or was it something they settled upon as they adopted the English language? Because iirc some of them was called nations during the 1600s and 1700s.

Speaking from experience, as a native, In Tupi at least, groups are always called by their characteristics, so you have things like Parintins: "angry people", Tabajara: "village rulers", Tukanati "Toucan beaks" etc.
The words "aba" and "tapuia" being the closest to the meaning of people/tribe as a collective, aba usually referring to a Tupi person and with "better" connotations, and tapuia to non Tupi people, including Europeans and Africans, and with a more derogatory weight, so at least here everyone took the words of tribe and nation and ran with it as its much simpler than calling everyone a variation of "karaiba" or a "tapytinga" or whatever lol, we usually use tribe as reference to small groups and nation to bigger ones, simple as.
On a final note, the word tribe isn't derrogatory per se, the romans called their own divisions as tribus based on their location and affiliations, it's a very modern concept that it is meant to be something offensive, but alas, everything is offensive to everyone nowadays.
I honestly much prefer the sound of "tribe nations" or "allied nations" or "allied tribes" rather than "allied societies", this sounds like something out of an EA execs mouth.

[MOSLEY]

Because at least some of the Dt ones aren't really "tribes", they're more advanced societies.

[Scarsick]

Originally posted by Hotcross:

Originally posted by Aya:

I mean, imagine calling a highly civilized society of Pelupelu a tribe, I'm sure I'd be offended if I were them.

Some native Americans call their own groups "tribes". Are you saying they are uncivilized?

Source please. Not that it would matter, considering they're not native Americans.

Originally posted by Generic-Raider:

Don't matter i will always call it a beast tribe

"Hey, look how edgy I am"