So what's wrong with Dawntrails story?

[Giganx]

So far I'd say it's ARR<Stormblood<Dawntrail<HW<Endwalker<Shadowbringer.

What exactly is it about the story that's so upsetting it has you bedwetters all worked up?

I'm just curious.

Now that I'm actually playing through Dawntrail I have a frame of reference, so what's the big problem? The dialogue seems on par with other expansions; I was expecting the new character to be a complete disaster, but she's fine; the new areas are visually nice.

Is the problem that the story is laid back and not end-of-the-world serious?

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Holyna, The High Seraph:

But givin shadow bringers was the best expansion by a mile and you placed it there shows me this seems kinda like bait and you're just going agaisnt the popular vote.

So the fact that I rated Shadowbringer highest means I must be trolling if I think Dawntrail is alright? If I was just being contrarian why exactly would I go with the popular consensus about Shadowbringer?

It sounds like your problem with the new character/VA is that she doesn't scream until her voice breaks like a typical shonen protag to show emotion... If you just don't like the character that's valid, but it's really no better or worse done than most prominent characters in this game.

Honestly, I'm kind of buying the idea that this is mostly just typical Steam lashing out at anything they think is "woke." The new character is kind of tomboyish and I guess voiced by a trans person, so here we are again.

[Topper mcnabb]

Originally posted by Integrity:

Is it as bad as Endwalker? I haven't even started DT yet and trying to decide whether to skip story.

EW isn't bad at all, but it has some pacing issues here and there and valid criticisms just like any xpac and any game, and by the time it was released there was a lot of drama about people thinking char H or M or V were "bad" because they could not grasp their intentions or
this or that being @sspulls and jumping the shark(which FF game doesn't jump the shark in a cowboy hat while playing a guitar solo while a vulcan explodes in the background?), this happens every time an xpac hits, even SHB was not devoid of it, people complained a lot about the minutiae of it, Ranjit, Ryne as the Oracle, Alisaie not saving Tesleen because some bs reason, Vaulthry being Trump(he never was, he is Owzer from ff6) so on and on, men even Emet was the target of criticism as he was a "boomer" to some.

This is not a political thing per se, is just that any game at release will always have people complaining and it becomes progressively harder to separate the valid criticism from troll attempts as "both" sides derail any debate more and more into flame wars as you can clearly see happening in this threat.
To quote Chaplin "Man as an individual is a genius. But men in the mass form the headless monster, a great, brutish idiot that goes where prodded."

My honest advice to you is: play the game, enjoy it and see for yourself, you will notice the bad of it, and you will enjoy the good of it, but if you spend too much time in forums of any kind you will always see more of the supposed bad other people "think" than the positives which are drowned in a sea of flames. And most of all: IGNORE all of this usa politics drama, specially if you're not from there.

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Holyna, The High Seraph:

Originally posted by Giganx:

So the fact that I rated Shadowbringer highest means I must be trolling if I think Dawntrail is alright? If I was just being contrarian why exactly would I go with the popular consensus about Shadowbringer?

It sounds like your problem with the new character/VA is that she doesn't scream until her voice breaks like a typical shonen protag to show emotion... If you just don't like the character that's valid, but it's really no better or worse done than most prominent characters in this game.

Honestly, I'm kind of buying the idea that this is mostly just typical Steam lashing out at anything they think is "woke." The new character is kind of tomboyish and I guess voiced by a trans person, so here we are again.

No, it's pretty clear what you're doing, as you did post it here where no one will care or take it seriously, and no, the VA is legit awful, just because you like bad things, as clearly shown already doesn't anything. these are steam forums where trolls like you shine, and attempt to pass it off as "not trolling"

You aren't fooling anyone.

lol, so now I'm obviously trolling because I posted my opinion on steam where no one would care... Are you having a stroke?

But hey, if you don't like the VA that's fine. If you can't come up with a coherent reason why you don't like the VA that's also fine. It's your opinion, so it doesn't have to be informed, intelligent or based on anything real.

I'm just saying that whenever Steam turns on a game, and starts giving vague, unintelligible reasons why, it usually boils down to them thinking the game is woke for some dumb reason. This happens on Steam a lot.

Originally posted by Holyna, The High Seraph:

and i won't be reading anymore of your posts as i'm sure you think you have a bite. but i'm falling for it.

You don't matter.

If this were a bait thread then you 100% already bit, and hard.

Reality is I just posted a reasonable opinion, so you really just bit without even being baited. That's impressive. ;)

[KitSoba]

Originally posted by Delaborga:

the issue is that there is a woke movement going around right now and everyone keeps talking about how woke the game is and that its voiced by a transgender person, so they automaticly hate it no matter how good it would be, its literally just small children who dont know what ff even is, and that is facts, i love the story so far,

personally, i think any english dub is worse than dog piss in ffxiv so i've always had mine set to JP. i've heard the english voice for dawntrail and it is THE worst i have ever heard for xiv to date. i didn't even know they have wuk lamat voiced by a man until recently, but it makes sense.

[Sally smithson]

I personally deeply enjoy Wuk Lamat. She's cute, hella cute if i may.
Her VA is not the best, but what can one expect from someone who started with their own dedicated character just now. Did we all forget ARR voice acting. I doubt the scions had the best voices in heavensward. especially the first half.
There were plenty of store moments where it pulled geniune emotion out of me. Hatred, joy, surprise, discomfort.
I am a tad bit more emotional. I am currently the lvl 97 dungeon.
I really want to slit a throat or two.