This expansion is an insult to long term FFXIV players

[Pandan]

Now days I'm more of an MSQ andy, i havent done hard content or progression since Stormblood. I'll admit that.

But the MSQ... the MSQ has always been pretty damn good. Even the widely agreed "mild" SB and ARR are still pretty good.

Dawntrail however, is an insult. I have NO clue what they were going for.
Square Enix said the Hydaelyn & Zodiark story arc was done. I assumed the big goodbye cutscene in Endwalker was supposed to be the last we saw of the scions. At least for awhile..

If their goal was to make an expansion to be the "new player experience" one day, they failed. All the scions are here. I actually dont mind Wuk Lamat at all. What I do mind, is treating the player like an actual idiot by "cluing" them in on things that JUST happened on screen moments later.

The story is incredibly boring before level 96 (MSQ level) And it picks up after that. But then it very quickly becomes contrived again, and the ideas my friends and I had about what might happen next ended up being better than what they did.

I'm normally one of the biggest FFXIV simps ever. Been playing since ARR, big MSQ andy, big about the story. This expansion is NOT for you if you're something like me.


I really dont know how people can delude themselves, the FFXIV apologists are calling the haters cut-scene skippers, but are... they skipping the cut-scenes? How do they not feel insulted by this?

[AH-1 Cobra]

They might as well just fire all writers, and let AI do it.

[Moonwitch]

Originally posted by AH-1 Cobra:

They might as well just fire all writers, and let AI do it.

Badly translated Final Fantasy XIV Online. Coming 8.0. :^)

[Angrypillow]

Originally posted by Moonwitch:

Originally posted by AH-1 Cobra:

They might as well just fire all writers, and let AI do it.

Badly translated Final Fantasy XIV Online. Coming 8.0. :^)

All your aetheryte r belong to us.

[manywhelps]

i really enjoyed SB so i am feeling positive there is another expansion which is gonna get a kicking in every discussion.

[xyz]

If you are a long time player, and are not happy with the content, then become a former player, quit and move on and play something else.

You'll feel better off in the long run. Worked wonders for me.

[fenrar28]

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

90 - 95 is literally B team writing, Those people need to be fired they wrecked EW Post.

They shoulda made 13th into the next expansion, Not rush it cause they wanted Woke Lamat.

And there it is. I think half the reason some people are hating on DT is because Wuk's VA is trans.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by fenrar28:

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

90 - 95 is literally B team writing, Those people need to be fired they wrecked EW Post.

They shoulda made 13th into the next expansion, Not rush it cause they wanted Woke Lamat.

And there it is. I think half the reason some people are hating on DT is because Wuk's VA is trans.

It is the lion's share of why, as a matter of fact.

Which is hilarious concidering how overwhelmingly inclusive the entire game is, both story-wise and community-wise. It also makes it trivially easy to see who is a tourist.

[Sunny]

it's a real SLAP IN THE FACE, innit?

sigh

[Clotho]

Originally posted by fenrar28:

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

90 - 95 is literally B team writing, Those people need to be fired they wrecked EW Post.

They shoulda made 13th into the next expansion, Not rush it cause they wanted Woke Lamat.

And there it is. I think half the reason some people are hating on DT is because Wuk's VA is trans.

90-95 sucks regardless of your political views.
speak to wuk lamat
speak to wuk lamat
speak to wuk lamat (yet again)
Not exactly the most riveting quest design.

[Sayo]

Originally posted by fenrar28:

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

90 - 95 is literally B team writing, Those people need to be fired they wrecked EW Post.

They shoulda made 13th into the next expansion, Not rush it cause they wanted Woke Lamat.

And there it is. I think half the reason some people are hating on DT is because Wuk's VA is trans.

A good handful of people didn't know her VA was trans until they voiced concerns about how shoddy the writing was, especially around wuk, and got called transphobic.

[Angrypillow]

Originally posted by fenrar28:

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

90 - 95 is literally B team writing, Those people need to be fired they wrecked EW Post.

They shoulda made 13th into the next expansion, Not rush it cause they wanted Woke Lamat.

And there it is. I think half the reason some people are hating on DT is because Wuk's VA is trans.

That's complete BS and you know it. The overwhelming majority have no clue that the VA is trans, and simply think the character is crap.

[chipofsalt]

Originally posted by AngryPillow:

Originally posted by fenrar28:

And there it is. I think half the reason some people are hating on DT is because Wuk's VA is trans.

That's complete BS and you know it. The overwhelming majority have no clue that the VA is trans, and simply think the character is crap.

Woke/transphobe are both labels to avoid actual discourse about the not great writing and storytelling pre-96 MSQ.

[Jowain]

I don't especially fancy having the Player Character be replaced in the narrative by a "super fantastic and awesome and cool NPC". No I don't care if the expansion is that characters journey, they are not the main character in this MMO, the player is.

Are they going to repeat this in the post-MSQ or even the next expansion? Have another "new fantastic and epic NPC" come in and gorge themselves on the scenery or just have the same character do so yet again? For 90% of the expansions plot?

I think I'll pass, WOL, the PLAYER is the main character of this game, no one else, no matter how much the narcissitic buffoon who wrote the story of Dawntrail tries to make it otherwise.

Interesting how specific design choices, naming choices and casting seems less like a series of coincidences instead comes off as an intentional attempt to create a human shield to ward of critique for terrible writing, that's pretty damn evil.

It's horrifying to see that they're actually getting away with it too, given how the discourse around this is turning, it's disgusting and not something I'd ever see from this game, I feel a bit betrayed to be honest.
Using another human beings IRL struggles to hide behind to avoid having your poor writing scrutinized and have supposed "good people" swallow it hook line and sinker, for shame.

[hagare]

Originally posted by chipofsalt:

Originally posted by AngryPillow:

That's complete BS and you know it. The overwhelming majority have no clue that the VA is trans, and simply think the character is crap.

Woke/transphobe are both labels to avoid actual discourse about the not great writing and storytelling pre-96 MSQ.

transphobe is an appropriate tag for people who say woke lamat.
They don't bother hiding who they are, and they get treated as such

[Moonwitch]

Originally posted by Jowain:

I don't especially fancy having the Player Character be replaced in the narrative by a "super fantastic and awesome and cool NPC". No I don't care if the expansion is that characters journey, they are not the main character in this MMO, the player is.

Are they going to repeat this in the post-MSQ or even the next expansion? Have another "new fantastic and epic NPC" come in and gorge themselves on the scenery or just have the same character do so yet again? For 90% of the expansions plot?

I think I'll pass, WOL, the PLAYER is the main character of this game, no one else, no matter how much the narcissitic buffoon who wrote the story of Dawntrail tries to make it otherwise.

We were the main character for 10 years, come off it.