[spoilers]Finished MSQ. Story is aweful, with many many issues.

[Holy Athena]

spoiler warning. If you haven't finished the MSQ and don't want spoilers, do not read ahead.

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I'm going to leave out Wuk lamat, and voice acting issues. Wuk, Sphene, and a few others just had flat, terrible voice acting when it came to matching the energy and emotions that is supposed to be displayed, and there is honest to god no argueing that, that final speech by Sphene was the most flatlined delivery of an emotional situation I've ever seen in an FF, even compared to Wuk. Great voice acting right up until emotions were involved, as a fair soft spoken Princess, played it perfectly, right up until the end.
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My issues with this story come with the huge amounts of inconsistencies, plot holes, and other badly written situations.

Apart from the fact, that 95% of the story really has nothing to do with anything and is just baby sitting simulator for a clueless princess that knows next to nothing. It could of been a "your adventure in a wild new land" without the baby sitting, where diving into each culture was interesting and fun, rather than a job I get roped into against my will.

We still could of learned a lot from Wuk and got to know the characters through these adventures, rather than well what I said above.
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But it goes beyond that too.. The characters are just... horribly written... Sphene and Wuk being a major part of that badly written arc.

Sphene who is supposed to be this "oh I love people, and peace, and want the best for them" then decides that genocidal rampage is the best option.. Which doesn't even make sense compared to what Otis describes about her, and while it ends up all the Endless are just empty husks and she's a program, it feels forced to make a world vs world situation again like ShB, and there wasn't enough story telling and world building because 60% of the story is baby sitting Wuk.

And I understand its supposed to be this "good intentions gone bad" cliche which we've already seen in FF14 story time and time again, but its so badly setup, and rushed, which also just makes the whole writing look and feel super lazy.

Then you have the First, who becomes King.. It's like.. his intentions just shfit for no reason...

He wants to bring war and genocide to the world, to make them cry for peace, and bring the world under his peaceful banner.. Which he literally says almost word for word...

Great plan for a psychopath, if the world wasn't already 99% at peace, due to massive calamities, Multiple civil wars, and The Empire, which had been ravaging 90% of the world and conquesting everything for so long already...

You're a minute late and dollar short there buddy.. the world is already what you want it to be.. everyone is already crying for peace... So his whole ideal is already broken out of the get go.
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And this is where the plot holes and other major inconsistencies with the story crop up. It's like this entire continent just popped into existence after End Walker..

The entire situation with the EMpire, ARR, cataclysm before that, none of it exists in their history apparently, even The Firsts reasoning makes no sense because of what I just explaiend.. it would fit if it was an entirely different world set apart from our own.


It almost feels like this entire area was supposed to be an entirely different world like ShB's was, but they ran out of time, and so they dropped it into our world.

Infact, I almost 100% am convinced that this entire DawnTrail story was supposed to take part in an entirely different realm, because of 1 thing that Uringiar says towards the end.

He says "This Realm has many issues unlike our own" you what?

I think that was an oversight, and he references this area as "This realm" as if referencing something other than our own realm.
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Then you have the basic bad writing of rushing issues... We meet the son, then are supposed to feel bad because we just killed his father and he's all sad.. We never get character development towards anything, and its just "lets force tear jerk moment, you should feel sad cuz sad moment"

That just doesn't work for a compelling and good story. This whole thing should of been stretched out far more, yet it was all hacked together without any actual good development outside of that.

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THere are so many other issues with the story, inconsistincies both in character plot and development... I could honestly write 6 more pages on it.

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Bottom line is.... people who defend the story keep giving asinine excuses of why people don't like it. "well they just want non stop combat" or "they hate the VC cuz reasons" or "Our character isn't the main focus so they hate it"

None of which is true for 90% of the complaints towards the story I've seen. The story is just straight up bad.. It has bad plot points, forced situations that make no sense (like Sphenes people being practically immmortal, but oh no, we have to go on a genocidal rampage anyway even though my entire character arc, and previously explained personality would go completely against that, because I'm a loving caring person), but also the game makes consistently bad writing mistakes of forcing emotional moments to characters with no build up, or extended character arc, expecting us to care.

I'm going to end it here, because like I said, I could go and on with more points, and reasons, so I have to stop myself somewhere, I didn't even get into the fact, that half the story point of Alexandria, and how The First even got to be King and raised an army is because 30+ years has passed, yet no time passes at all when we are there, cuz "Reasons".

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If you like the story, great. I personally was expecting more... I already had low expectations, but this didn't even hit that, and I'm greatly disappointed.

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After the back and forth with komarimu, I want to clarify:

The story itself isn't bad per say.. Just the delivery of it in every aspect, as well as many issues, forced writing/badly delivered key points, which brings it all down tremendously in my opinion. To many rushed situations, that diminished the over all key points in the story, and forced tear jerk situations without proper character building outside of that, to try to force an emotional pull, etc.

[Arbor]

Excellent write up. At least you managed to get through it. I couldn’t take it and just started skipping.

[Komarimaru]

Sounds like someone didn't do any reading, you only got half the story right, yet completed the MSQ?

[Holy Athena]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Sounds like someone didn't do any reading, you only got half the story right, yet completed the MSQ?

Where did I get it wrong, in what I wrote. LIke I said, I left ALOT out.

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Sounds like someone didn't do any reading, you only got half the story right, yet completed the MSQ?

Where did I get it wrong, in what I wrote. LIke I said, I left ALOT out.

Well, you obviously missed the boat in regards to Sphene by like, 100%. You either were blind, or skipped all the story to blatantly not know her plan all along, the hints alone from the start was obvious, the slaps to the face showing her intention to kill all life to save her people near the end pretty obvious once found out she was one of the Endless, and we knew the cost of energy to keep them alive.

I can go on and on, but the way I see it, you just hit Skip, since got 90% of it wrong.

[Holy Athena]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

Where did I get it wrong, in what I wrote. LIke I said, I left ALOT out.

Well, you obviously missed the boat in regards to Sphene by like, 100%. You either were blind, or skipped all the story to blatantly not know her plan all along, the hints alone from the start was obvious, the slaps to the face showing her intention to kill all life to save her people near the end pretty obvious once found out she was one of the Endless, and we knew the cost of energy to keep them alive.

I can go on and on, but the way I see it, you just hit Skip, since got 90% of it wrong.

no no, I completely understood all that, and know about it all.

The problem is, what Otis said, and he describes the Queen. Which is so thoughtful and loving towards people she took in refugees of enemy nation during the cataclysm.

Sphene herself also states how much she wants peace, and loves peace.. Yet.. despite her own peoples lives "hitting a limit" which is sustainable, still decides that genocidal warfare is the option just makes no sense.

While yes great energy and power is required to sustain her people... they're the ones who decided to do it this way, not other worlds, so it still breaks character, and makes no sense.

It also makes no sense, since the only limit to their situation is they cannot create new souls to continue growth, but who cares? You have a perpetual Goldilocks where nobody can die essentially, so pushing out for genocidal warfare to gain new souls is just insane and stupid from the get go.

Or perhaps you weren't the one who was paying attention? Because while Sphenes goal was always to go on genocidal rampage, my point is, that it makes no sense from the focus of any other story point, or her own character explanation and background of who she is.

It's terribly written because of how forced it all it.. It's yet another "ohh two worlds that need to fight cuz 1 can't survive, and I'm going to force this situation cuz "plot"" LIke ShB all over again, except this time horribly written and rushed.

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It's literally ShB because you get to know the people, and back story, and the writers want you to feel for the people. That's why they have you walk around that other dimension, and see how happy the people are, yada yada, to figure out do we need to do this, and get mixed feelings like in ShB.

But again, its all forced, and rushed, every aspect of it, and it doesn't flow correctly.

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Well, you obviously missed the boat in regards to Sphene by like, 100%. You either were blind, or skipped all the story to blatantly not know her plan all along, the hints alone from the start was obvious, the slaps to the face showing her intention to kill all life to save her people near the end pretty obvious once found out she was one of the Endless, and we knew the cost of energy to keep them alive.

I can go on and on, but the way I see it, you just hit Skip, since got 90% of it wrong.

no no, I completely understood all that, and know about it all.

The problem is, what Otis said, and he describes the Queen. Which is so thoughtful and loving towards people she took in refugees of enemy nation during the cataclysm.

Sphene herself also states how much she wants peace, and loves peace.. Yet.. despite her own peoples lives "hitting a limit" which is sustainable, still decides that genocidal warfare is the option just makes no sense.

While yes great energy and power is required to sustain her people... they're the ones who decided to do it this way, not other worlds, so it still breaks character, and makes no sense.

It also makes no sense, since the only limit to their situation is they cannot create new souls to continue growth, but who cares? You have a perpetual Goldilocks where nobody can die essentially, so pushing out for genocidal warfare to gain new souls is just insane and stupid from the get go.

Or perhaps you weren't the one who was paying attention? Because while Sphenes goal was always to go on genocidal rampage, my point is, that it makes no sense from the focus of any other story point, or her own character explanation and background of who she is.

And yet, we discover that the memories transfer over, yet not the logic of them. Why she is so uncanny. Her desire is to protect HER people, at any costs. Not the worlds. It was literally there from the start if paid attention in the slightest.

Common sense, why else would she align willfully with the dork lizard? Or did you forget her words at the Golden City Gates? And why a certain someones parents were trying to stop it.

Like I said, it's like you skipped over it all...

[Holy Athena]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

no no, I completely understood all that, and know about it all.

The problem is, what Otis said, and he describes the Queen. Which is so thoughtful and loving towards people she took in refugees of enemy nation during the cataclysm.

Sphene herself also states how much she wants peace, and loves peace.. Yet.. despite her own peoples lives "hitting a limit" which is sustainable, still decides that genocidal warfare is the option just makes no sense.

While yes great energy and power is required to sustain her people... they're the ones who decided to do it this way, not other worlds, so it still breaks character, and makes no sense.

It also makes no sense, since the only limit to their situation is they cannot create new souls to continue growth, but who cares? You have a perpetual Goldilocks where nobody can die essentially, so pushing out for genocidal warfare to gain new souls is just insane and stupid from the get go.

Or perhaps you weren't the one who was paying attention? Because while Sphenes goal was always to go on genocidal rampage, my point is, that it makes no sense from the focus of any other story point, or her own character explanation and background of who she is.

And yet, we discover that the memories transfer over, yet not the logic of them. Why she is so uncanny. Her desire is to protect HER people, at any costs. Not the worlds. It was literally there from the start if paid attention in the slightest.

Common sense, why else would she align willfully with the dork lizard? Or did you forget her words at the Golden City Gates? And why a certain someones parents were trying to stop it.

Like I said, it's like you skipped over it all...

I didn't skip. You're ignoring the parts, where I'm saying its bad becaues its all rushed, and forced.

Yes the memories are transfered over, and even the "Endless" aren't really "alive" or so the story wants to keep going back and forth on that to confuse the player further.

It has the makings of a good story. But there is juts so much bad writing, and bad writing practices in it, it all falls apart.

Also, there are story bits that don't fully conclude you're correct either. You, and even the writerse perhaps are suggesting that her love for her people, and memories, etc carry over but not the reason.

Which just again seems like sour plot hole than anything to force this world vs world situation again.

While memories transfer over, what is a soul then? Essentially a "Soul" which they don't even describe too much, is the essence of who you are too. Whichi s another issue I come too with this entire soul, memory/person jargan they went with, because there is a ton there that falls flat when you look at it with scrutiny.

Again I could write a whole thesis on this soul/memory/body crap they got going on and why it doesn't add up, but that's an entirely differnet conversation.

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

And yet, we discover that the memories transfer over, yet not the logic of them. Why she is so uncanny. Her desire is to protect HER people, at any costs. Not the worlds. It was literally there from the start if paid attention in the slightest.

Common sense, why else would she align willfully with the dork lizard? Or did you forget her words at the Golden City Gates? And why a certain someones parents were trying to stop it.

Like I said, it's like you skipped over it all...

I didn't skip. You're ignoring the parts, where I'm saying its bad becaues its all rushed, and forced.

Yes the memories are transfered over, and even the "Endless" aren't really "alive" or so the story wants to keep going back and forth on that to confuse the player further.

It has the makings of a good story. But there is juts so much bad writing, and bad writing practices in it, it all falls apart.

Also, there are story bits that don't fully conclude you're correct either. You, and even the writerse perhaps are suggesting that her love for her people, and memories, etc carry over but not the reason.

Which just again seems like sour plot hole than anything to force this world vs world situation again.

While memories transfer over, what is a soul then? Essentially a "Soul" which they don't even describe too much, is the essence of who you are too. Whichi s another issue I come too with this entire soul, memory/person jargan they went with, because there is a ton there that falls flat when you look at it with scrutiny.

I think you just missed entirely what was being shown. One a leader who loves their people and will do anything to make them happy, and the other being the same. Yet done in two different ways.

A heavy stark contrast between the two, in all regards.

And the souls are literally explained as aether, yet a different method. Instead of it going to the source on death, harvested, cleaned of memories and stored to be used later for another with their memories. And the reason why it's all messed up, since it's like the Voidsent as well, which was brought up many times, except due to the memory cleaning the soul is "ready to write to" for another instead of just many being one. But it was even explained that this isn't perfect, why the Endless are so weird.

I'm more shocked you weren't able to grasp this, when it was hammered into you repeatedly.

I enjoyed it, and loved how things were intertwined personally. Talking to friends on discord how for it being a "At the Beach DLC" it was darker and more cruel in design than Shadowbringers for those who read it.

If you couldn't understand it, or didn't enjoy it, nothing much I can say.

[Holy Athena]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

I think you just missed entirely what was being shown. One a leader who loves their people and will do anything to make them happy, and the other being the same. Yet done in two different ways.

no I got that, that's actually one of the parts I liked about the story. One of the few bits of writing that was good, which is why I didn't mention it.

And the souls are literally explained as aether, yet a different method. Instead of it going to the source on death, harvested, cleaned of memories and stored to be used later for another with their memories. And the reason why it's all messed up, since it's like the Voidsent as well, which was brought up many times, except due to the memory cleaning the soul is "ready to write to" for another instead of just many being one. But it was even explained that this isn't perfect, why the Endless are so weird.

Yes I understood this too. But this isn't the issue I have with it.

I'm more shocked you weren't able to grasp this, when it was hammered into you repeatedly.

I did understand it.. like you said, it was hammered and mentioned repeatedly.

I enjoyed it, and loved how things were intertwined personally. Talking to friends on discord how for it being a "At the Beach DLC" it was darker and more cruel in design than Shadowbringers for those who read it.

I just don't agree it was good for the reasons I stated. Much of it felt rushed.

75% of the story is playing babysitter, and unnecessary part of the story.. Wuks rise to the throne could of been cut way way shorter, and still had her tag along with your adventures as she learns more about her people, or you tag along with her. Her brother still having a part with the Queen, and turning King, and everything else, without the baby sitting trips.

Then we have the wild west cliche story that also played almost zero part in the actual story of the MSQ.

That would of opened up 75% of the story if those bits were removed or shortened to add different story that actually pushed this Sphene narrative better, and fleshed out the bits that were rushed.

Proper character development and reason and meaning behind the brother bringing war, and his reasons that a world for peace, needs yet another genocidal rampager like Zenos at the helm to bring lasting peace, and more of Sphenes world, letting the realization they're all husks and computer data have a bigger hit to it, etc..

That's why I don't like it. A long with the other issues. While you and I disagree on Sphene, that's fair. However I made a lot of other points than just the sphene thing.

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I want to clarify.. The story itself isn't bad per say.. Just the delivery of it in every aspect, as well as many issues, forced writing/badly delivered key points, which brings it all down tremendously in my opinion.

[Shakja]

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

spoiler warning. If you haven't finished the MSQ and don't want spoilers, do not read ahead.

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I'm going to leave out Wuk lamat, and voice acting issues. Wuk, Sphene, and a few others just had flat, terrible voice acting when it came to matching the energy and emotions that is supposed to be displayed, and there is honest to god no argueing that, that final speech by Sphene was the most flatlined delivery of an emotional situation I've ever seen in an FF, even compared to Wuk. Great voice acting right up until emotions were involved, as a fair soft spoken Princess, played it perfectly, right up until the end.
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My issues with this story come with the huge amounts of inconsistencies, plot holes, and other badly written situations.

Apart from the fact, that 95% of the story really has nothing to do with anything and is just baby sitting simulator for a clueless princess that knows next to nothing. It could of been a "your adventure in a wild new land" without the baby sitting, where diving into each culture was interesting and fun, rather than a job I get roped into against my will.

We still could of learned a lot from Wuk and got to know the characters through these adventures, rather than well what I said above.
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But it goes beyond that too.. The characters are just... horribly written... Sphene and Wuk being a major part of that badly written arc.

Sphene who is supposed to be this "oh I love people, and peace, and want the best for them" then decides that genocidal rampage is the best option.. Which doesn't even make sense compared to what Otis describes about her, and while it ends up all the Endless are just empty husks and she's a program, it feels forced to make a world vs world situation again like ShB.

And I understand its supposed to be this "good intentions gone bad" cliche which we've already seen in FF14 story time and time again, but its so badly setup, and rushed, which also just makes the whole writing look and feel super lazy.

Then you have the First, who becomes King.. It's like.. his intentions just shfit for no reason...

He wants to bring war and genocide to the world, to make them cry for peace, and bring the world under his peaceful banner.. Which he literally says almost word for word...

Great plan for a psychopath, if the world wasn't already 99% at peace, due to massive calamities, Multiple civil wars, and The Empire, which had been ravaging 90% of the world and conquesting everything for so long already...

You're a minute late and dollar short there buddy.. the world is already what you want it to be.. everyone is already crying for peace... So his whole ideal is already broken out of the get go.
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And this is where the plot holes and other major inconsistencies with the story crop up. It's like this entire continent just popped into existence after End Walker..

The entire situation with the EMpire, ARR, cataclysm before that, none of it exists in their history apparently, even The Firsts reasoning makes no sense because of what I just explaiend.. it would fit if it was an entirely different world set apart from our own.


It almost feels like this entire area was supposed to be an entirely different world like ShB's was, but they ran out of time, and so they dropped it into our world.

Infact, I almost 100% am convinced that this entire DawnTrail story was supposed to take part in an entirely different realm, because of 1 thing that Uringiar says towards the end.

He says "This Realm has many issues unlike our own" you what?

I think that was an oversight, and he references this area as "This realm" as if referencing something other than our own realm.
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Then you have the basic bad writing of rushing issues... We meet the son, then are supposed to feel bad because we just killed his father and he's all sad.. We never get character development towards anything, and its just "lets force tear jerk moment, you should feel sad cuz sad moment"

That just doesn't work for a compelling and good story. This whole thing should of been stretched out far more, yet it was all hacked together without any actual good development outside of that.

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THere are so many other issues with the story, inconsistincies both in character plot and development... I could honestly write 6 more pages on it.

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Bottom line is.... people who defend the story keep giving asinine excuses of why people don't like it. "well they just want non stop combat" or "they hate the VC cuz reasons" or "Our character isn't the main focus so they hate it"

None of which is true for 90% of the complaints towards the story I've seen. The story is just straight up bad.. It has bad plot points, forced situations that make no sense (like Sphenes people being practically immmortal, but oh no, we have to go on a genocidal rampage anyway even though my entire character arc, and previously explained personality would go completely against that, because I'm a loving caring person), but also the game makes consistently bad writing mistakes of forcing emotional moments to characters with no build up, or extended character arc, expecting us to care.

I'm going to end it here, because like I said, I could go and on with more points, and reasons, so I have to stop myself somewhere, I didn't even get into the fact, that half the story point of Alexandria, and how The First even got to be King and raised an army is because 30+ years has passed, yet no time passes at all when we are there, cuz "Reasons".

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If you like the story, great. I personally was expecting more... I already had low expectations, but this didn't even hit that, and I'm greatly disappointed.

^This

Also, you should stop engaging with people who are trying to claim you didn't properly read/understand the story to defend this horrible attempt at an ShB/EW remix that has been written with 0 understanding of the source material and barely any concept of pacing or proper characterization.
Just because some people fall for nostalgia bait with clumsy emotional manipulation and blackmail doesn't mean it's a good story

[Holy Athena]

Originally posted by Shakja:

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

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^This

Also, you should stop engaging with people who are trying to claim you didn't properly read/understand the story to defend this horrible attempt at an ShB/EW remix that has been written with 0 understanding of the source material and barely any concept of pacing or proper characterization.
Just because some people fall for nostalgia bait with clumsy emotional manipulation and blackmail doesn't mean it's a good story

Which sucks, because the story base in Dawntrail is actually a pretty good story, with good plot point ideas, and base... but it was all just done in a rushed, or idiotic way...

For example.. If they had spent half the story instead of babysitting Wuk, but instead having us run around Solution 9, and the last zone, helping Alexandrians, and getting to know them, and hooking us with them, BEFORE dropping the whole "oh btw, they're all fake, AND I'm going to bring total annihiliation to your world teehee" it would of been a way way better ball drop, and emotional rollercoaster, where as you're going to delete all their memories, you're actually emotionally invested to some degree, because you just spent the last 3 days getting to know them, and engaging with them.

From there, have us branch out, and help the other cultures get ready for the defense, and then bring the fight to them...

The whole Dawn Trail plot points had terrible setup.

[Komarimaru]

Just gonna say, maybe run a certain dungeon again and actually read the terminals? Covers your whole "teehee" complaint.

[Akip Xof]

Ive only just started the second half of the story, but i fail to see where Wuk Lamat had any voice acting issues or was ever a badly designed character. Shes literally no different from the twins at the start of ARR. The only difference is the expansion focuses on her growth, instead of focusing on us for the majority of it so it takes the twins a few expansions to actually come into their growth arcs.

And literally every single expansion has always been the cheesy "My friends are my power" type things anyway, so her entire thing being about wanting to protect her people and the peace they enjoy while still being someone young and not quite as seasoned as us or her father makes perfect sense and fits with everything else.

The literal only part of the story that has been an issue for me atm has just been the culmination of the start of the second half where the invasion starts, and the cause for the temporary stop. We were there, and we literally saved the universe. This should logically be easy for us to prevent, and i can get us not interfering because we just got there, and the part we did witness we were told to stay out of it as it wasnt our fight, but the rest of the scions should have been wiping the floor with them much easier. But thats realistically a minor critique, because they werent struggling against them either, and can be assumed that there were just too many in number to defend everyone.

[War Maiden]

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

Originally posted by Shakja:

^This

Also, you should stop engaging with people who are trying to claim you didn't properly read/understand the story to defend this horrible attempt at an ShB/EW remix that has been written with 0 understanding of the source material and barely any concept of pacing or proper characterization.
Just because some people fall for nostalgia bait with clumsy emotional manipulation and blackmail doesn't mean it's a good story

Which sucks, because the story base in Dawntrail is actually a pretty good story, with good plot point ideas, and base... but it was all just done in a rushed, or idiotic way...

For example.. If they had spent half the story instead of babysitting Wuk, but instead having us run around Solution 9, and the last zone, helping Alexandrians, and getting to know them, and hooking us with them, BEFORE dropping the whole "oh btw, they're all fake, AND I'm going to bring total annihiliation to your world teehee" it would of been a way way better ball drop, and emotional rollercoaster, where as you're going to delete all their memories, you're actually emotionally invested to some degree, because you just spent the last 3 days getting to know them, and engaging with them.

From there, have us branch out, and help the other cultures get ready for the defense, and then bring the fight to them...

The whole Dawn Trail plot points had terrible setup.

I haven't even started DT.
I am starting over from scratch, like I always do every XPAC to see what they changed, plus i'm doing it on the new fem Hroth, which seems like quite a bit in ARR. Also the GFX upgrade is amazing, so much more clear and crisp animations, characters and environments. Oh, and i'm sure all the boys noticed, the boob physics got an upgrade with the GFX too. We can see them move even in heavy clothing nyao.

Regardless of all I said above.
I hear alot bout this 'Wuk' person. What about Princess Sara? I heard she is somewhat important too? Additionally, Alexandrians... this make me think of Alexander, and the few whom tried to summon it. Not to mention the stupid gobbies whom tried to control it. Is that the same or not? I am curious.

I don't care about spoilers. Mark it as a spoiler if you are willing to tell me.

[Akip Xof]

Also, SE stated the expansion was literally us going on an adventure, being an adventurer for once instead of just the savior of the star again. The "inconsequential wild west" part was literally the point of us going there. To be an adventurer, and see what else there was to see. That was the point of the end of endwalker, when we were told by emet how much there was still yet for us to experience in the star, even though we have come so far to the very edges of it.