We should be able to play the product we buy.

[mikitan_fox]

Bought early access after finishing endwalker the first month or so it was out... Silly me thinking I would be able to play dawntrail because they added crap to the MSQ that YOU MUST DO before you get to play dawntrail content. I essentially paid for early access to dawntrail content only to learn i have to complete 4 days worth of extra fetch quests they tacked onto the end of endwalker. I feel like this extremely anti-returning player. Sure add patches for people that enjoy the current expansion but don't actively punish people for taking a break from the game. Now I have to either cough up an extra 25 dollars to play the content i paid to access early or i got to suck it up and play 24 hours of fetch quests and story dungeons that have hour long ques... this is a great first impression to dawntrail, an expansion everyone already seems to be saying is boring as heck to start only to get better in the later 30%...

[mikitan_fox]

Even trying to do NPC dungeons as a returning player, you get reset if you die during the encounter AS A RETURNING PLAYER who may not remember how their rotation worlks. They've built in a great way to get an extra 25 dollars out of returning players it seems. I either have to spend millions of gil of better gear or give them money or wait hours for story dungeon ques... terrible

[Komarimaru]

I mean... MSQ is the way. Been this way since 2013.

[SMUG KITTY]

Theyve always added content such as 6.1-6.58

[Topper mcnabb]

Welcome to 2013.

[uwurawr]

A new player has to get through hundreds of hours of nonsense quests, most of it being incredibly tedious. It's been this way forever because it's to please the story fans who don't care as much for getting best in slot and running the savages.

[Jade Merrydown]

Welcome to FFXIV? The game has been like this since 2.0 and isn't going to change ever. Story skip or do the content.

You don't get to skip to the end of any other game to get to it's DLC why would FFXIV be differnt?

[Shield]

You didn't "buy early access," you preordered the expansion, which preorders allowed for 3 days early access for free. That's outright generous in a world where "early access editions" are a license to print money for studios.

Regardless, you logged in and got more game than you expected to get. I don't really see the problem.

As far as dying, just dust it off and go again. You can set it to Easy/Very Easy after failing a duty, nobody's gonna know if you press one.

[mikitan_fox]

Sick and tired of blizzard-eque bait and switch lawyer speak, only to find yoshi-p doing the same thing. i have great respect for the man but this is scummy, there's no way around it.

They could make patch content non-mandatory for going into the expansions, i beat edgy mcedgerson and that was the true end of endwalker. They don't because they want to bore you into giving them 25 bucks more

[Holy Athena]

Are you seriously complaining about not getting to skip the story and previous content you bought, because you bought more content, in an MMO?

Then complaining you have to restart something because you failed it...

Is this the new "me" generation? I didn't think "I should be able to do anything and everything while using the lowest effort possible while having almost everything done for me" could get worse... Yet here we are...


The game is already insanely simple minded and grossly brain rot easy. It's literally just spamming a specific rotation of keys, with no thought process, and dodging big obvious lit up areas on the ground... that's it.. that's 99% of the game.

don't get me started on the players who are maxed out levels on multiple classes, and still apparently have no clue that role skills exist, and refuse to use them.

[Holy Athena]

Origineel geplaatst door mikitan_fox:

Sick and tired of blizzard-eque bait and switch lawyer speak, only to find yoshi-p doing the same thing. i have great respect for the man but this is scummy, there's no way around it.

They could make patch content non-mandatory for going into the expansions, i beat edgy mcedgerson and that was the true end of endwalker. They don't because they want to bore you into giving them 25 bucks more

There was no bait n switch lawyer speech.

They said if you pre order, you got certain items, and got to play the expansion early.

You were not at the expansion stuff yet. You hadn't completed the story yet, so obviously you can't do that part yet..

This isn't rocket science.

in-fact, it DOES tell you, and they have said multiple times on multiple platforms "Make sure you've caught up in the story in preparation for Dawntrail"

You didn't.. and now you want to complain about bait n switch...

[mikitan_fox]

I've just learned my lesson is all, FF14 is NOT better than wow, if you don't pay your dues via monthly subsciption they WILL waste your time forcing you to do irrelivant quests going to give lkryle tea and killing a squid monster as if that is vital to the main story. Sorry, i wasn't playing FF14 every day of my life, coulda sworn Yoshi-p said it was good to take a break every now and then, guess tthe boys in marketing don't agree.

Its stupid to waste my time after luring me in with "play the new expansion early" you are going to lose way more players than you gain that have been absent for months if not years. No I didn't see any "catch up on your chores lil timmy, the PRODUCT YOU ARE PAYING FOR won't be available to you unless you get kryle her damn tea so get to work!" notices. They blatantly make returning players waste the 2 hour return window spamming quests to prevent a return from steam. Very clever lawyer move, right up there with "Ion Has Cost us". In the future make patch content optional, or don't bait and switch early access. You got me this time, i won't make the mistake of pre-ordering again.

[Holy Athena]

Origineel geplaatst door mikitan_fox:

I've just learned my lesson is all, FF14 is NOT better than wow, if you don't pay your dues via monthly subsciption they WILL waste your time forcing you to do irrelivant quests going to give lkryle tea and killing a squid monster as if that is vital to the main story. Sorry, i wasn't playing FF14 every day of my life, coulda sworn Yoshi-p said it was good to take a break every now and then, guess tthe boys in marketing don't agree.

Its stupid to waste my time after luring me in with "play the new expansion early" you are going to lose way more players than you gain that have been absent for months if not years. No I didn't see any "catch up on your chores lil timmy, the PRODUCT YOU ARE PAYING FOR won't be available to you unless you get kryle her damn tea so get to work!" notices. They blatantly make returning players waste the 2 hour return window spamming quests to prevent a return from steam. Very clever lawyer move, right up there with "Ion Has Cost us". In the future make patch content optional, or don't bait and switch early access. You got me this time, i won't make the mistake of pre-ordering again.

You got the product you are paying for...


If I buy WoW now, can I go do the last dungeon of the game right away? No I can't.

Stop pretending like your argument makes any sense..

[mikitan_fox]

if you are the appropriate level in wow you can absolutely que for a dungeon in the new expac if you own it. i'm a 90 bard(i have many 90's but bard is my favorite), I should be able to go to the new continent, be able to start the new quests. I am arbitrarily locked out of accessing WHAT I PAID FOR because I didn't get kryle her tea. It is an obstacle they bait and switch you with in FF14. I don't want to play WoW anymore because the devs are SCUM and I want to give FF14 another chance because I thought they were better than this only to find more scummy practices. I paid for early access, what i got was stupid chores tacked onto the end of endwalker to cheat me out of a chance to refund if dawntrail is bad (I really want to like it but I cant even try it today because I am doing dungeons people no longer even want to do ALL DAY) I started spamming and cutscene skipping at the first post of this thread and I'm still not finished even though I killed the big bad of Endwalker. How does that make sense?

Its like if you did play wow and you beat the litch king and skipped ruby sanctum because it looked dumb, only to come back and be forced to kill those dragons under wyrmrest before you could move on. This is garbage.

[Holy Athena]

Origineel geplaatst door mikitan_fox:

if you are the appropriate level in wow you can absolutely que for a dungeon in the new expac if you own it. i'm a 90 bard(i have many 90's but bard is my favorite), I should be able to go to the new continent, be able to start the new quests. I am arbitrarily locked out of accessing WHAT I PAID FOR because I didn't get kryle her tea. It is an obstacle they bait and switch you with in FF14. I don't want to play WoW anymore because the devs are SCUM and I want to give FF14 another chance because I thought they were better than this only to find more scummy practices. I paid for early access, what i got was stupid chores tacked onto the end of endwalker to cheat me out of a chance to refund if dawntrail is bad (I really want to like it but I cant even try it today because I am doing dungeons people no longer even want to do ALL DAY) I started spamming and cutscene skipping at the first post of this thread and I'm still not finished even though I killed the big bad of Endwalker. How does that make sense?

Its like if you did play wow and you beat the litch king and skipped sunwell because it looked dumb, only to come back and be forced to kill kael'thas in the sunwell before you could move on. This is garbage.

So if I buy a level skip in WoW, I can do dungeons that are story relevant with absolutely no idea what any of it is about?

Seems stupid to me.

[The Lapis Fox]

Origineel geplaatst door Holy Athena:

So if I buy a level skip in WoW, I can do dungeons that are story relevant with absolutely no idea what any of it is about?

Seems stupid to me.

Actually, in WoW, you can do exactly that. All WoW cares about is your level. When it comes to a new expansion, you have to get your level up, which means going through quests, but it doesn't force you to do all of the content from the previous expansions before you can access those quests. I mean, I could literally start up a brand new WoW account right this moment, buy a level 90 boost, and then immediately start on the current content. I would not be forced to start on the content all the way back to classic.

After reading what the OP has stated, I actually find the way FFXIV does it to be a little shocking. It tells me that if I was to buy Dawntrail, I would be starting all the way at the very first release? So, I would be forced to go through months upon months of old content before I would even be able to see the new stuff? Yeah, I agree with the OP, not very new player friendly there. It also means the OP wasn't truly given any actual early access.