idk why, but i see the hate on Dawntrail coming

[Aqua 水]

We got CS:GO that made a complete overhaul with an engine change, graphic change etc.

And some people got really mad and uninstalled the game cuz their pcs are too bad to play CS2.

I'm a lil worried about dawntrail, bc one of the new stuff is the enhanced Graphic. Smh I'm worried about dAwntrail getting hate because of this exact same reason.

[FreshMint]

There's always gonna be a loud minority that'll complain about the graphical update not being "good enough" or that their possibly old hardware isn't good enough anymore to play the game (which unlike something like CS:GO isn't a lightweight game and is just something you gotta live with sometimes).
It's gonna take extreme gamebreaking bugs for any of these to be such a problem that it's gonna ruin Dawntrail altogether though- don't worry too much that there might be people on teh forumz complaining about potentially small things and wait and see for yourself what you might think of the game.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by FreshMint:

There's always gonna be a loud minority that'll complain about the graphical update not being "good enough" or that their possibly old hardware isn't good enough anymore to play the game (which unlike something like CS:GO isn't a lightweight game and is just something you gotta live with sometimes).
It's gonna take extreme gamebreaking bugs for any of these to be such a problem that it's gonna ruin Dawntrail altogether though- don't worry too much that there might be people on teh forumz complaining about potentially small things and wait and see for yourself what you might think of the game.

MMOs are traditionally very light weight affairs, for good reason.

[Lixire]

We are talking about very different demographics in here.
during all of my time playing CSGO. the most common one (at least in my experience) was to see Russians and other eastern europeans using Core 2 Duo and 9500GTs to play the game and the smallest thing like throwing a smoke at them would tank their frame rate to 5.

While for FF14, either most people were on PlayStation 4/5 or using a mid range-high end PC to play the game. and people will be far more likely to upgrade their equipment if the system requirements will increase

[Sunny]

Originally posted by Aqua 水:

some people got really mad

In other words Tuesday, on the Steam forums.

It'll be fine, don't worry. The forums, X, and Reddit will get flooded with whinging babies for a couple of weeks and then they will get bored and go away and absolutely nothing will change and they will have no impact on anything at all. Nobody will listen, and fewer people will care.

The *worst* consequence that can possibly be is...this forum looking like FO4's for a couple of weeks. Nothing (at all) to even think about, let alone be concerned for. If we're lucky, some of the trolls it brings in will be entertaining.

The people making the game are grownups, they aren't gonna get their feelings hurt by the whinging. The Vocal Minority in question isn't big enough to make a financial impact on anything, so nobody (really: nobody) cares.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by ★Sinon★ <3:

We are talking about very different demographics in here.
during all of my time playing CSGO. the most common one (at least in my experience) was to see Russians and other eastern europeans using Core 2 Duo and 9500GTs to play the game and the smallest thing like throwing a smoke at them would tank their frame rate to 5.

While for FF14, either most people were on PlayStation 4/5 or using a mid range-high end PC to play the game. and people will be far more likely to upgrade their equipment if the system requirements will increase

This absolutely isn't true. A lot of people are playing on lower spec PCs and will be negatively affected by the graphics update. I imagine PS4 will struggle pretty badly with it too.

It is what it is though. People can't just expect the devs to let the game rot so they don't have to upgrade their computer or console once every 10 years. The graphics update is much needed and makes the game look significantly better.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by ★Sinon★ <3:

We are talking about very different demographics in here.
during all of my time playing CSGO. the most common one (at least in my experience) was to see Russians and other eastern europeans using Core 2 Duo and 9500GTs to play the game and the smallest thing like throwing a smoke at them would tank their frame rate to 5.

While for FF14, either most people were on PlayStation 4/5 or using a mid range-high end PC to play the game. and people will be far more likely to upgrade their equipment if the system requirements will increase

This absolutely isn't true. A lot of people are playing on lower spec PCs and will be negatively affected by the graphics update. I imagine PS4 will struggle pretty badly with it too.

It is what it is though. People can't just expect the devs to let the game rot so they don't have to upgrade their computer or console once every 10 years. The graphics update is much needed and makes the game look significantly better.

It literally doesn't though. The visual update barely makes a difference, and it makes many characters look worse.

This:
https://i.imgur.com/eE1XIK6.png

doesn't look particularly impressive to me, and certainly not worth cutting off a lot of players over.

[GeminiEclipse]

Well of course it's not going to be impressive. When you raise the bar from kind of a low level it's not going to suddenly push the boundaries of impressive.

At the very least the lighting by itself should improve things. I'm pretty interested to see if Praetorium isn't a complete nightmare in cutscenes. Assuming that has gotten any changes of course.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

This absolutely isn't true. A lot of people are playing on lower spec PCs and will be negatively affected by the graphics update. I imagine PS4 will struggle pretty badly with it too.

It is what it is though. People can't just expect the devs to let the game rot so they don't have to upgrade their computer or console once every 10 years. The graphics update is much needed and makes the game look significantly better.

It literally doesn't though. The visual update barely makes a difference, and it makes many characters look worse.

This:
https://i.imgur.com/eE1XIK6.png

doesn't look particularly impressive to me, and certainly not worth cutting off a lot of players over.

You've cherry picked the least impressive looking part of the benchmark and you're still playing in 1080p in 2024.

Look at this and tell me it doesn't look better:

https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/2024/4/15/d83eb79a-bf26-485e-a3ea-afe3e6bfa990-dawntrail-graphic.jpg

Lighting, textures and foliage are massively improved after the update. The difference in outdoor areas is literally night and day.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

It literally doesn't though. The visual update barely makes a difference, and it makes many characters look worse.

This:
https://i.imgur.com/eE1XIK6.png

doesn't look particularly impressive to me, and certainly not worth cutting off a lot of players over.

You've cherry picked the least impressive looking part of the benchmark

I did cherry pick anything. I screen shotted the results screen.

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

and you're still playing in 1080p in 2024.

Tell me what setup is capable of playing modern AAA games at native 4k 60 FPS+.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

You've cherry picked the least impressive looking part of the benchmark

I did cherry pick anything. I screen shotted the results screen.

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

and you're still playing in 1080p in 2024.

Tell me what setup is capable of playing 4K native at 60 FPS+.

Brother, a 4 year old console can run 4k 60 FPS. My PC is a few years old now and I can run 1440p with 100+ FPS.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

I did cherry pick anything. I screen shotted the results screen.




Tell me what setup is capable of playing 4K native at 60 FPS+.

Brother, a 4 year old console can run 4k 60 FPS. My PC is a few years old now and I can run 1440p with 100+ FPS.

yeah, no. DLSS, FSR are not native; they are upscaling. 30 FPS is not 60 FPS. And 1440p is an artificial stop gap designed to sell more products to the gullible, in the same way 720p was. You'll notice that they don't even really sell 720p tvs anymore.

The next true resolution is 4K, and the hardware isn't there yet, which is why crap like DLSS is being pushed.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

You've cherry picked the least impressive looking part of the benchmark and you're still playing in 1080p in 2024.

While I agree with the overall sentiment, you make it sound like 1080p is out of fashion or something. It is still, by a large margin, the most popular resolution for gaming. I doubt that'll change for at least the next few years.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Brother, a 4 year old console can run 4k 60 FPS. My PC is a few years old now and I can run 1440p with 100+ FPS.

yeah, no. DLSS, FSR are not native; they are upscaling. 30 FPS is not 60 FPS. And 1440p is an artificial stop gap designed to sell more products to the gullible, in the same way 720p was. You'll notice that they don't even really sell 720p tvs anymore.

The next true resolution is 4K, and the hardware isn't there yet, which is why crap like DLSS is being pushed.

That was a lot of words to say nothing at all.

1440p is perfect if you value frame rate over resolution. I have a 1440p 240hz monitor and I greatly prefer that over 4k 60hz.

Why is someone with a 1080p monitor trying to tell me about DLSS? Of course it doesn't look great if you're upscaling from 480p, lmao.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

yeah, no. DLSS, FSR are not native; they are upscaling. 30 FPS is not 60 FPS. And 1440p is an artificial stop gap designed to sell more products to the gullible, in the same way 720p was. You'll notice that they don't even really sell 720p tvs anymore.

The next true resolution is 4K, and the hardware isn't there yet, which is why crap like DLSS is being pushed.

That was a lot of words to say nothing at all.

1440p is perfect if you value frame rate over resolution. I have a 1440p 240hz monitor and I greatly prefer that over 4k 60hz.

Why is someone with a 1080p monitor trying to tell me about DLSS? Of course it doesn't look great if you're upscaling from 480p, lmao.

You got gaslighted into spending more money than you needed to and are proud of it. You are the modern equivalent of the people who supported 720p, and we see how that turned out.

First you got gaslighted into thinking you always needed a bigger and stronger GPU.

Then when you realized that your CPU couldn't keep up with that GPU, rather than finding a better match, you got gaslighted into spending even more money to buy a monitor with a, artificial stop gap resolution.

And now you are trying to brag about being, unnecessarily, parted from your money... twice.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

That was a lot of words to say nothing at all.

1440p is perfect if you value frame rate over resolution. I have a 1440p 240hz monitor and I greatly prefer that over 4k 60hz.

Why is someone with a 1080p monitor trying to tell me about DLSS? Of course it doesn't look great if you're upscaling from 480p, lmao.

You got gaslighted into spending more money than you needed to and are proud of it. You are the modern equivalent of the people who supported 720p, and we see how that turned out.

First you got gaslighted into thinking you always needed a bigger and stronger GPU.

Then when you realized that your CPU couldn't keep up with that GPU, rather than finding a better match, you got gaslighted into spending even more money to buy a monitor with a, artificial stop gap resolution.

And now you are trying to brag about being, unnecessarily, parted from your money... twice.

This is pure copium and you know it.

I think what you actually mean is that I upgraded my system to be able to play games at a higher resolution while maintaining excellent performance and yes, you're correct.

I wonder why you aren't happy with the graphics update despite your superior purchase of an old 1080p monitor and outdated hardware though. Let me know if you figure it out.