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[rocketgreentea]

Ban the use of all plugins as they grant unfair advantages.

[rocketgreentea]

引用自 Yes：

引用自 rocketgreentea：

except it does affect people because people who choose to cheat have an advantage over those who don't.

How does someone being able to dye a piece of equipment gives them advantage over you? Is there a secret in this game where different colours gives improved stats that i have missed?

dyeing is already a feature in this game what are you talking about lmao

[Yes]

引用自 rocketgreentea：

引用自 Yes：

How does someone being able to dye a piece of equipment gives them advantage over you? Is there a secret in this game where different colours gives improved stats that i have missed?

dyeing is already a feature in this game what are you talking about lmao

You can't dye all equipment as you freely choose, Thats something mods can help with, How does that give you an advantage? its a fairly simple question.

[Raansu]

引用自 Sayo：

引用自 Raansu：

Yoshi-P made a comment during a live letter before endwalker basically stating mods are a grey area. They wont implement any kind of anti cheat device and they have no interest in wasting GM time on hunting down players that use it. Without saying it out loud, he basically said, do whatever, just don't stream it, make it obvious, or harass people.

So, yes, no one cares that other people mod.

The irony btw of a troll saying they are tired of other people "trolling."

People perpetuated this lie so much he had to make a post saying "No I've never once endorsed mods, it's against the ToS, don't do it.".

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Modders got to go.

He's never openly said it. Doesn't change the fact that he said they would never implement any way to detect them. Of course its against the TOS, and of course hes not going to openly say its ok. Doesn't change the fact that he basically said he doesn't care as long as you don't do it out in the open and don't harass people.

Modding isn't going anywhere because the devs know they would lose more than half their players. Cope.

[Stormy Dawn]

引用自 rocketgreentea：

except it does affect people because people who choose to cheat have an advantage over those who don't.

Boy howdy am I tired of hearing that argument.

Awfully convenient that those same people who claim to be upset that modders have advantages over them are often the first ones in a party to complain when someone isn't doing callouts.

How many players do you think actually memorize and commit every mechanic to memory when they do callouts for an encounter? Not many at all. They are just repeating what Cactbot is telling them to the rest of the party.

"I don't like people who cheat! ... unless a cheater is in my party and I willingly listen to their callouts, but at least IM not the one actually cheating!"

With really the exception of PVP and one maybe can make an argument for Deep Dungeon rankings, mods aren't adversely affecting anyone in a game that is almost entirely PVE oriented. At worst they aren't effecting you at all and you can just ignore your fellow players that are modders. But no, most of the time non-modders actually appreciate the help even if they don't realize it.

[causality]

引用自 Furious：

Most modders are neck bearded perverts, change my mind.

I won't argue with this or against it but from what I've seen it wouldn't surprise me.

[Islamey]

its sad ,,... for my boyfriendss

enjoy americaa

100 were leavingg

[causality]

引用自 Tsurayu：

引用自 rocketgreentea：

except it does affect people because people who choose to cheat have an advantage over those who don't.

Boy howdy am I tired of hearing that argument.

Awfully convenient that those same people who claim to be upset that modders have advantages over them.

Different competitive game modes exist like pvp but since you're dismissive of people who enjoy those playstyles it's hard to take anything you write seriously in this context when you want to defend one group but the other can't enjoy their game. Hypocrite much?

[FreshMint]

引用自 Yürei：

Uhh, outside obviously pvp (which lets be honest is pretty dead) and world first raiding, wouldn't it actually be a benefit for others if it did help people clear content?

引用自 Seraphita：

If you fail at a duty, the problem is on you, not anyone else. In a same manner, if someone succeeds more than you do, it's because they're good at the game.

So while in non-world first PvE content this is a fair mentality to have, one does have to be careful.
After all we most certainly do not want to set a situation where the use of mods (like for example that one raid overlay) slowly grows towards becoming expected.

But obviously this is why modding is in this weird are regarding ToS; if someone tells you to heck off because you didn't use a plugin you've all the right to report them for it.
They don't want to set down solid rules because then people will try to find loopholes, and to avoid the poor argument of "Well Discord and wikis are third-party too, ban those too!".

It's not really worth fuzzing about someone who's using clothing or UI mods and keeping that to themselves, and I'm saying that as someone who constantly has to suffer through friends talking about them.

[Raansu]

引用自 causality：

引用自 Tsurayu：

Boy howdy am I tired of hearing that argument.

Awfully convenient that those same people who claim to be upset that modders have advantages over them.

Different competitive game modes exist like pvp but since you're dismissive of people who enjoy those playstyles it's hard to take anything you write seriously in this context when you want to defend one group but the other can't enjoy their game. Hypocrite much?

And as I've said before. The mods used in PvP don't give any real advantages.

[Sayo]

引用自 Seraphita：

引用自 Sayo：

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Modders got to go.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Modders aren't going anywhere. Sorry...

The funniest thing is that the people who are most bothered by mods isn't even SE but people like you. EVEN when it doesn't affect you at all. And don't lie by saying that it does. It doesn't. You could simply ignore their existence and you'd see no difference.

Yeah man people breaking the law don't effect me personally so they should be allowed to continue to do so.

[Sayo]

引用自 Raansu：

Modding isn't going anywhere because the devs know they would lose more than half their players. Cope.

Do you have a source that modders are "more than half the players"? Also if they're willing to quit because rules were finally enforced they weren't worth keeping around.

[Raansu]

引用自 Sayo：

引用自 Raansu：

Modding isn't going anywhere because the devs know they would lose more than half their players. Cope.

Do you have a source that modders are "more than half the players"? Also if they're willing to quit because rules were finally enforced they weren't worth keeping around.

You realize the large majority of modders are generally doing graphical stuff that has nothing to do with actual gameplay right? People running ACT (which isn't even cheating) are an extremely, EXTREMELY small subset of players.

[Sayo]

引用自 Raansu：

引用自 Sayo：

Do you have a source that modders are "more than half the players"? Also if they're willing to quit because rules were finally enforced they weren't worth keeping around.

You realize the large majority of modders are generally doing graphical stuff that has nothing to do with actual gameplay right? People running ACT (which isn't even cheating) are an extremely, EXTREMELY small subset of players.

That had nothing to do with my post. You completely dodged my question.

[Yürei]

引用自 Sayo：

引用自 Seraphita：

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Modders aren't going anywhere. Sorry...

The funniest thing is that the people who are most bothered by mods isn't even SE but people like you. EVEN when it doesn't affect you at all. And don't lie by saying that it does. It doesn't. You could simply ignore their existence and you'd see no difference.

Yeah man people breaking the law don't effect me personally so they should be allowed to continue to do so.

When you compare breaking the law to breaking ToS. Oh boy...

[Sayo]

引用自 Seraphita：

引用自 Yürei：

When you compare breaking the law to breaking ToS. Oh boy...

This. People are reaching and grasping at straws to "win" an argument. Not because they really believe their own nonsense. As I said, there is no harm in mods and it also does not affect them anyhow. They're too bent on "BuT tHe RuLeS." as if that mattered.

Sorry that QoLs that improve the experience for players and dress-up mods hurt you so much? ("You" as in high horse people). Fortunately, as I said, mods are not going anywhere and no amount of "BuT RuLeS" will stop them until SE chooses to detect them.

Here's hoping they'll decide to start detecting them soon.