FINAL FANTASY XIV Online

FINAL FANTASY XIV Online

Silly Mar 31, 2024 @ 1:47am
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Naoki Yoshida is not your friend and will say anything to sell a new product
I know that many people in this great community view Naoki Yoshida as a savior-like figure and would love to lick the ground he walks on because he once cried on a stage over a decade ago (because he knew his career depended on ARR) and because he regularly tells people to play other games (unless you own a house which means you need to stay subbed), but it is still baffling to me that so many people will believe every single word that comes out of his mouth regarding Dawntrail, when most of it is just the usual pre-expansion sales talk that he always does.

He's been repeatedly out of touch with the community, a famous example being him telling healer mains to go play Ultimate if they're bored with two damage skills from level 4 to level 90. Not only has he been dismissive of player concerns regarding gameplay, in some instances he's also been outright lying, such as that one time he tried to pass off "button bloat" as the reason for Hissatsu: Kaiten's removal on samurai. The massive negative feedback on that decision has been ignored ever since 6.1.
There are other instances of him being clueless and out of touch I remember, for example him not understanding how people could possibly relate to / sympathize with Emet-Selch (not justify his actions, mind you) or some misleading comments about Myths of the Realm having the same difficulty as Stormblood's Alliance Raid series. I don't have the exact quotes for these last two, but I vividly remember making fun of these comments back then. :AST_Karon:

So, when he enters his usual salesman mode at the end of every expansion, he will say anything to make you preorder the next one as soon as possible.
"Jobs are going to return to form, multiplayer aspects will get added again, everything's going to improve, HE PUSHED BACK THE EXPANSION SO THAT WE CAN PLAY ELDEN RING, WHAT A CHAD" - GCBTW
Your parasocial relationship with this businessman is, quite frankly, disgusting.
Last edited by Silly; Mar 31, 2024 @ 2:35am
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Szorrin Apr 5, 2024 @ 5:16pm 
Originally posted by Syn:
You are wasting time trying to communicate this fact.
The cult of Yoshi-P is strong. He is the messiah and can do no wrong.

That's why he could get away with developing and releasing the abomination that is FFXVI. A nasty, vulgar and highly misogynistic game with a disgusting protagonist that is completely and utterly unworthy of Final Fantasy.
People who *haven't even played it* bombarded Metacritic with positive "reviews" for the sole reason that Yoshi-P produced it.
He left Endwalker with a skeleton crew to go off and make this mess of a game and people heap praise on him for it!

Not to mention the fact that the "crossover" event is an actual joke where Yoshi-P' self-insert literally turns to the camera and says "Buy my game lol."
I swear if ANY other developer was THAT tacky they'd be raked through the coals. But oh no, not him. His parasocial guardians will never hear a word against him.

If they do all that for such a despicable game, what do you think they'll do for FFXIV itself? They'll never see its flaws and never help to make it better because once again, Yoshi-P He Who's Divine Gaze Burns the Souls of Unworthy Mortals can do no wrong. All criticism is mocked and silenced. Only thoughtless praise is allowed.
I'm not going to touch on any of the other stuff you said, but I'm curious about why you think FFXVI is 'misogynistic' and why Clive is 'disgusting'. Granted, I haven't played the game myself (PC can't run it and I don't own a PS5), but I watched someone play it, and I must've missed that part.
Keebler Milf Apr 5, 2024 @ 9:30pm 
It's a viddy game, it's not that serious.
causality Apr 5, 2024 @ 9:59pm 
Originally posted by Havok:
Originally posted by causality:
And then people conveniently ignore the proof I post of Yoshida saying 3rd party tools are not allowed or that he is going to implement 'countermeasures' to stop them in DT. Should I care? The duality of FFXIV players. :cuphead:

edit: My bet is the new Eureka/Bozjan content will be just another segment of "you run the content you want to fulfill the requirements for x" like they did for EW.

you are a troll and rely on 3rd party tools like Universalis, Faloop and Paisa, all while spouting this nonsense about being Anti 3rd party tools.
Source and citation on this? I haven't been subbed for months so I am interested where you get this information from about me. I'll give you one chance. :lunar2019piginablanket:
Syn Apr 6, 2024 @ 3:56am 
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Originally posted by Szorrin:
I'm not going to touch on any of the other stuff you said, but I'm curious about why you think FFXVI is 'misogynistic' and why Clive is 'disgusting'. Granted, I haven't played the game myself (PC can't run it and I don't own a PS5), but I watched someone play it, and I must've missed that part.

Clive - aside from being such a blatant uninspired copy-paste of the default WoL/Meteor to the point that they entirely changed the latter's design that's been consistent since Heavensward for the Dawntrail cinematic to try to hide this - is witless, overly foul-mouthed and repulsive in his behaviour.
To be clear I'm no prude and swearing is fine if used appropriately. Constantly dropping F bombs while being presented as the protagonist in the latest in a series known for its flowery language is not appropriate.

FFXVI is misogynistic because it constantly treats women as lesser. Part of this excuse is "medieval realism" (funny how that never affected FFTactics or other such games, and it's funny how "medieval realism" doesn't stop them from using modern swear words), every female character is either an evil manipulator, a prostitute, Jill who exists solely to be Clive's love interest and personal empowerer who literally gets sent back to the kitchen at the end by Clive AND OBEYS or Mid who's just there and does nothing.
This isn't even going into the *constant* references to SA to be edgy.

It's not as if they hide it either. I imagine you were just watching someone play some boss sections or something. As much as one-button gameplay can be defined as that.

The only thing FFXVI hates more than women are Final Fantasy fans with any love for the series.
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Szorrin Apr 6, 2024 @ 4:39am 
Originally posted by Syn:
Originally posted by Szorrin:
I'm not going to touch on any of the other stuff you said, but I'm curious about why you think FFXVI is 'misogynistic' and why Clive is 'disgusting'. Granted, I haven't played the game myself (PC can't run it and I don't own a PS5), but I watched someone play it, and I must've missed that part.

Clive - aside from being such a blatant uninspired copy-paste of the default WoL/Meteor to the point that they entirely changed the latter's design that's been consistent since Heavensward for the Dawntrail cinematic to try to hide this - is witless, overly foul-mouthed and repulsive in his behaviour.
To be clear I'm no prude and swearing is fine if used appropriately. Constantly dropping F bombs while being presented as the protagonist in the latest in a series known for its flowery language is not appropriate.

FFXVI is misogynistic because it constantly treats women as lesser. Part of this excuse is "medieval realism" (funny how that never affected FFTactics or other such games, and it's funny how "medieval realism" doesn't stop them from using modern swear words), every female character is either an evil manipulator, a prostitute, Jill who exists solely to be Clive's love interest and personal empowerer who literally gets sent back to the kitchen at the end by Clive AND OBEYS or Mid who's just there and does nothing.
This isn't even going into the *constant* references to SA to be edgy.

It's not as if they hide it either. I imagine you were just watching someone play some boss sections or something. As much as one-button gameplay can be defined as that.

The only thing FFXVI hates more than women are Final Fantasy fans with any love for the series.
Thank you for sharing your point of view. While I don't agree with most of it, I can see why it would look that way. I did watch a full playthrough by the way, including sidequests.

Imo, they just tried too hard to imitate Game of Thrones, which clearly didn't work well for the general FF audience. I don't think there's any maliciousness towards FF fans involved, they just really missed the target.
Dinkleberg Apr 6, 2024 @ 5:46am 
Originally posted by Silly:
I know that many people in this great community view Naoki Yoshida as a savior-like figure and would love to lick the ground he walks on because he once cried on a stage over a decade ago (because he knew his career depended on ARR) and because he regularly tells people to play other games (unless you own a house which means you need to stay subbed), but it is still baffling to me that so many people will believe every single word that comes out of his mouth regarding Dawntrail, when most of it is just the usual pre-expansion sales talk that he always does.

He's been repeatedly out of touch with the community, a famous example being him telling healer mains to go play Ultimate if they're bored with two damage skills from level 4 to level 90. Not only has he been dismissive of player concerns regarding gameplay, in some instances he's also been outright lying, such as that one time he tried to pass off "button bloat" as the reason for Hissatsu: Kaiten's removal on samurai. The massive negative feedback on that decision has been ignored ever since 6.1.
There are other instances of him being clueless and out of touch I remember, for example him not understanding how people could possibly relate to / sympathize with Emet-Selch (not justify his actions, mind you) or some misleading comments about Myths of the Realm having the same difficulty as Stormblood's Alliance Raid series. I don't have the exact quotes for these last two, but I vividly remember making fun of these comments back then. :AST_Karon:

So, when he enters his usual salesman mode at the end of every expansion, he will say anything to make you preorder the next one as soon as possible.
"Jobs are going to return to form, multiplayer aspects will get added again, everything's going to improve, HE PUSHED BACK THE EXPANSION SO THAT WE CAN PLAY ELDEN RING, WHAT A CHAD" - GCBTW
Your parasocial relationship with this businessman is, quite frankly, disgusting.

If you think Naoki Yoshida is not as genuine as people think he is, it's your opinion and nothing to worry about. But the way you articulate it by straight up talking down to people, what do you expect the reaction to be? If you want to make a point about that people are too trustworthy with Yoshida, punching down doesn't have the effect that you think it has.

To your point's, throughout FF XIV since 1.0 people complained alot about certain mechanics and other things and they cut a lot of stuff that people hated like TP for example. Yoshida has a undenyable track record of improving certain things that people didn't like. That being said this was not always for the greater good, take for example the 2 min meta. Raiders complained that it is difficult to alight buffs and burst windows in order to optimize the damage output. Their conclusion was the 2 min meta which made jobs less interesting because within their 2 min, they can be less unique because they have to play into that. Which i hope that they change and at least they aknowledged that people don't like this system. What conclusion they draw remains to be seen. So, there is proof that they listen and my complaint is less that they don't but more how they translate the criticism. The only thing that i think that they really don't get is the reward structure of the game especially for Criterion which i hope get's adressed in Downtrail. Some things like him saying that Omega Protocol is not as difficult as DSR are things that you have to take with a grain of salt because this is more a subjective matter because he stated his opinion.

About healers and i would adress difficulty in generel, the base content is easy. You get away with a lot and this is fine by me because this is for the biggest part of the player base which are casual players. Also you don't want to make the basic content too difficult because you don't want to exclude disabled people. For more challenging gameplay, you get offered more difficult content with Savage, Extrem Trials, Unreal, Criterion and Ultimate. And i personally think that Yoshidas wish to cater to as many people as possible is not always a good thing. I think dungeon design suffered under that and the bridge from casual content to difficult content is almost not existing. If your knowledge is based on the casual content, you don't get enough experience and info to do difficult content because you don't have to use all of you abilities and have too much leeway and get away with a lot. You never have to use all of your skills but at the same time, you don't have to use all of them even in difficult content, to justify their existance. Some are more situational and get more usage in one content than in the other.

I played Samurai for a fair amount of time and i couldn't care less about Keiten being removed. Because there was no decision making involved with this skill because you used it always in one way and to activate this buff, it was also with no effort that goes out of your regular way involved. It was a no brainer and not as versatile than people think it was. You used it in a simple way just like you do with Higanbana. But i hope Samurai get's more interesting with Downtrail, hopefully. There is also the possibility that Keiten comes back i mean Paladin got Bulwark back too.

Yoshida not understanding the hype about Emet- Selch is also a subjective matter and you can't hold it against him because it's just his opinion. Maybe Emet was cringe for him and he thought that people would see it the same way. He said it multiple times one time i think in a live letter and he said it more in a joking kind of manner. This is something that i would not hold against him. I think in that manner you see way more into that than there is.

I can only say we will see how much of a improvement Downtrail is and what things that Yoshida said are translated directly into the game. There should also be noted that with his statement about the game getting more difficult, that it was wrong translated and the language barrier also didn't help. Because there were some of his statements that got mistranslated. That's why it's important to follow multiple outlets to make sure that what he said can be confirmed. I also don't believe anything that Yoshida said and i don't care that much about him because it's a team effort and i rather judge the work of the team in generell than what a public figure does. But when he cried because Endwalker was delayed, i believed his tears to be true and that he cares about the game. Him being the poster boy of that game also has the downside that if he stated his opinion, like difficulty of certain content that people take it for face value and think it's a statement that they can rely on.
Last edited by Dinkleberg; Apr 6, 2024 @ 5:58am
Sigvuld Apr 12, 2024 @ 5:20pm 
I am begging you to take a break from the video game and play something else until you become less obsessed with this lmfao this is unhealthy
Stormy Dawn Apr 12, 2024 @ 6:00pm 
Originally posted by Sigvuld:
I am begging you to take a break from the video game and play something else until you become less obsessed with this lmfao this is unhealthy

Similarly, I'm begging people to stop bumping this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thread back up to the main page and just let it die, but nooooo..
Silly Apr 12, 2024 @ 11:10pm 
Originally posted by Tsurayu:
Originally posted by Sigvuld:
I am begging you to take a break from the video game and play something else until you become less obsessed with this lmfao this is unhealthy

Similarly, I'm begging people to stop bumping this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thread back up to the main page and just let it die, but nooooo..
Seems people are really obsessed with this dude from an island nation many many miles away, otherwise they wouldn't keep making new posts... :feena:
Stormy Dawn Apr 13, 2024 @ 12:46pm 
To be fair, it's not for lack of trying. They try to teach us metric and crap in science classes, but it just went in one ear and out the other. :D

Freedom units for all!
FORTUNE_COOCHIE Apr 13, 2024 @ 4:17pm 
Most people on this thread do like the game and his work. So.. sadly, it's like talking to a wall at this point.

After seeing what they've done to FF16.. oh well.
Raansu Apr 13, 2024 @ 4:21pm 
Originally posted by FORTUNE_COOCHIE:
Most people on this thread do like the game and his work. So.. sadly, it's like talking to a wall at this point.

After seeing what they've done to FF16.. oh well.

FF16 was a good game. Ya'll just constantly need something to whine about.
Saica-Fox Apr 13, 2024 @ 7:46pm 
Originally posted by ☠ Jordan ☠:
This thread reminds me of why I went to the EU servers with my EU friends and why I do not even dare participate in the actual official Final Fantasy 14 discussions on the website. I've never met anybody like some of the folks and this thread in game and I'm very happy that I haven't lol.
nah buddy this i steam forums this is everywhere on steam has nothing to do with ff14
Silly Apr 14, 2024 @ 12:29am 
Originally posted by ☠ Jordan ☠:
This thread reminds me of why I went to the EU servers with my EU friends and why I do not even dare participate in the actual official Final Fantasy 14 discussions on the website. I've never met anybody like some of the folks and this thread in game and I'm very happy that I haven't lol.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm a Ragnarok resident.

I am inevitable.
Zierbo Apr 14, 2024 @ 3:57am 
Y'know just for saying that Yoshi-p is going to buff black mage for the nth time
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