Dawntrail

[Moonvalley]

Anyone worried it might not be as great as past expansions?

Shadowbringers > Heavensward > Endwalker > ARR > Stormblood.

[Livy]

EW did conclude both the Ascian and Garlean threat so the story have lost most of the suspense it had.

They will need to construct some new long lasting villains or it's going to be as mediocre as post EW was.

[Havok]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

It won't be. Endwalker was the best then Shadowbringers. But this whole story thing has ended now. We're entering a completely new thing that is so small in scale compared to what we've got so far. It doesn't mean that it will not be enjoyable, to be honest.

Endwalker was terrible. Don't kid yourself.

Its the start of a new 10 year journey, with the most content included over any over dlc to date.

[♥ Beepy ♥]

It's not even out yet, how can anyone say with any sort of authority / certainty if it will be good or not?

[Yes]

Originally posted by Moonvalley:

Originally posted by hagare:

you can.
But any answer I give would be my own subjective opinion just like yours.

As long as Stormblood is in the basement it's all good.

But we all know Stormblood was the best of the current ones.

[Havok]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by Havok:

Endwalker was terrible. Don't kid yourself.

Its the start of a new 10 year journey, with the most content included over any over dlc to date.

Also, how do you know it has more content than any other of the expansions since you didn't play it yet?

New Deep Dungeon
New Criterion
New Field Exploration (Bozja 2)
New Planetary Exploration (Diadem 2)
Island sanctuary updates
New limited job

Plus whatever else they decide. This has already been confirmed, and yes, is more content than any expansion thusfar.

And yes, statistically, from a content perspective, EW was not a good expac, contrary to your personal, professional opinion. don't believe me, youtube any EW thoughts video. All your favorite XIV youtubers agree EW hasnt been good by any definition, and thats not even comparing it against SHB.

It had the worst relic, no midcore content, criterion flopped due to rewards, island sanctuary became irrelevant faster than criterion once the spreadsheets were made, and there were no major filler contents like Bozja or Eureka, on top of it being a mid tier story.

So yes, with everything, publically announced in the reveals for DT, it will have the most amount of cumulative content to date.

[Lixire]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by Havok:

Endwalker was terrible. Don't kid yourself.

Its the start of a new 10 year journey, with the most content included over any over dlc to date.

Subjective and irrelevant. Also, how do you know it has more content than any other of the expansions since you didn't play it yet? People are still trying to make this thread about which is best. (And my own opinions were NOT stated as fact. Difference...)

What I stated as fact is that the story that we got so far was at its peak in ShB/EW while now, we're back to "everyone is chill and nothing bad is going on at all." So people need to set their expectations a little lower. Other than that. we don't know anything...

the relic "grind" was outright non-existent,
the expansion doesn't have any mid-core content at all to work with. either it targets the most casual players or only the highest end when it comes to raiding

Variant dungeons are basically run a couple of times and call it a day
Criterion dungeons aren't worth the effort for the reward you get from them
post EW MSQ was really subpar and didn't serve much of a build up towards Dawntrail
the EW Alliance Raids really aged poorly. difficulty is very low and the fights go quite fast due to the item level outscaling them
Island Sanctuary was also set once, maintain for a while and enough.

Base Endwalker/6.0 had great story to follow by and it closed the arc really well. anything past that wasn't too great.

[Generic-Raider]

Yea def not gonna be as good as a expansion that had 10 years of story build up

[Havok]

Originally posted by Generic-Raider:

Yea def not gonna be as good as a expansion that had 10 years of story build up

It has the potential to be better, since it’s the start of another 10 year story.

With all the lessons learned by CBU3, Yoshi not working on FF16 and XIV at the same time, and no covid, DT is the start to a new era, something you should be celebrating..

[Moonvalley]

Originally posted by Катюша:

It's hard not to be better than Shadowbringers or Endwalker, which are the two worst ones. If it's on par with the best expansion, Stormblood, I will be extremely surprised. Personally I would be content with Heavensward quality.

If i was a fish, that bait would look mighty yummy.

[Lixire]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by ★Sinon★ <3:

Base Endwalker/6.0 had great story to follow by and it closed the arc really well. anything past that wasn't too great.

I mean, I enjoyed the relics myself. The "method" to get them might not be good for all but the PSO look is awesome. That said, I mean mostly the story and the alliance raids. Those were my favorite things, making EW pretty good. But again. It's only my opinion.

ShB and Ew so far were my favorite expansions. That said, I still and again say that people should moderate their expectations because they could end VERY disappointed. I will just enjoy the ride as I do with every expansions myself. And I will judge as I see it...

So yeah, I don't "worry" if it will be as great as past expansions or not. I'm here for the story and I know for a fact that it won't be as hype as ShB and EW were. It's impossible to make it so. BUT again, as I said at very first, it doesn't mean that it won't be good anyway.

Originally posted by Havok:

It has the potential to be better, since it’s the start of another 10 year story.

With all the lessons learned by CBU3, Yoshi not working on FF16 and XIV at the same time, and no covid, DT is the start to a new era, something you should be celebrating..

Not sure why you say this as if we're not happy about it. I'm glad they're making a new story entirely but our character will still have their world saving past with them. It also means they bring their power level with them. The future story will have to match.

Celebrate it as you will, it's totally fine. But it's something we should enjoy in time.

Depends for the jobs you play. I liked the WHM 665 relic yet loathed the ones I got for my actual mains (Bard and Astro) but that's subjective.
the "grind" or progress for those relics is simply put. non-existent. spam dailies for a couple of days (which you can complete them in about 2.5-3 hours) and you are done
The biggest issue with EW is the utter lack of sustainable long-term content

And the existing content? Even YoshiP admits that its utterly boring to play through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnVYn0E7PiE&t=1567s

So far, I'm excited to see how Dawntrail will end up being but so far from what was announced and shown. it address all of my issues I had with EW

[VaryNia]

Originally posted by Moonvalley:

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Too early to say.

I don't think it can be worse than Endwalker or Heavensward, so.. I think it'll turn out alright.

Next you will tell me you play as a Lalafell and terrify countless players.

I actually do, yes

[Moonvalley]

Originally posted by Varyn:

Originally posted by Moonvalley:

Next you will tell me you play as a Lalafell and terrify countless players.

I actually do, yes

[Lixire]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by ★Sinon★ <3:

So far, I'm excited to see how Dawntrail will end up being but so far from what was announced and shown. it address all of my issues I had with EW

Oh, on that side, I understand. Just so we're clear, I'm not saying ALL of EW is best to me. I should have made more clear that I mostly mean the story and general content. Now, if we go deeper on everything offered, I do hate the lack of a bozja like minigame.

I love the relics but that's me. I hated ARR's. It was absolute pain and I never want to deal with that again. In fact, I never finished a single ARR relic. My brain wants to commit self harm. I did one of each other relics and it was already better. Bozja was fun.

Call me lazy if you will but I admit that I like the easiness of EW's relic. But for the sake of everyone's happiness, I am NOT saying that it should be the norm. Give me a fun activity like bosja and I will play it. No doubts that they will learn from their EW mistakes.

I did list earlier my overall issues with EW and did critic the specific new content that was being added.
The only things I did like in EW was the 6.0 story and the Pandemonium raid series. everything else was simply run once and forget content.
Or in case of the alliance raids. run them constantly to get the upgrades from 650 to 660.

to an extent, I'm glad that I have started FFXIV in 2023 instead of earlier cause if I started Endwalker just like everyone did in 2021. Chances are I would be just as negative as the most about the expansion.

[Derik]

This sure aged well

[ksuyen]

Every great story starts from humble beginning. This is ARR 3.0, and so far it is already better than ARR 2.0.