so.. this is the endgame?

[Aqua 水]

As much as I love the ff franchise and ff14 as a whole. i don't understand the endgame. To me it's really weird. Since i love the game but it's exhausting af waiting a 5-10 minute queue for every daily activity or for the blue quests. All I did in the past few months was legit, waiting in queue for 3 minute boss fights for my blue quests.

But that's not all have to say. Lets compre the game to WoW for the terms of understanding:

In WoW u know exactly what yo have to do as soon as you hit max. level it's farming gear score and mounts if u want them too, u can also go and hunt only achievements.

Now in final Fantasy as soon as you hit max. level as of now (EW) it doesnt tell you anything. You just sit there now level 90 knowing nothing. and that's exactly my problem. Yeah u can hunt achievements and mounts in here too that's what i also do. But what exactly are you intended to do when u hit max level ? dailies take instead of maybe 1 hour, directly 3 hours bc of queue (which will be fixed in DT as of my knowledge). Gearscore is a thing u could go on but u have to farm raids, which will end up in a long waiting queue every time u start a raid. eitherway u have to talk to it feels like 10 npcs to finally find ur weapon to buy.

u get what im saying, to me endgame in ff14 is somehow not clear, exhausting and undefined. If someone could tell me what people do in max level and how, would be nice but as of now i still have 0% knowledge on what the endgame in here really is and im max level since 4-5 months.

[hagare]

whatever you want
fish
craft
collect stuff
do achievements
do savage
do EXs
what exactly do you WANT to do?

[Aqua 水]

Originally posted by hagare:

whatever you want
fish
craft
collect stuff
do achievements
do savage
do EXs
what exactly do you WANT to do?

Well, thats the neat part, idfk

[Chair Raptor]

if you want more extreme game play join a group that does savage, extremes, ect.

Look for quests you haven't done, blue quest ones, in order to unlock more content. Loads of people don't have all the alliance raids unlocked let alone all the dungeons.

Grind for glamour to make your character look great.

Play in rp groups if that is your thing.

You can do a lot of other things and different quests to keep you playing but honestly the nice thing about ff14 is not needing to play every week. You can just take a break till the expansion comes out.

[Катюша]

There is no endgame. XIV has never had one, and I doubt they ever will anymore. It's mostly for a casual audience nowadays, as that's the audience they decided to chase.

[hagare]

Originally posted by Aqua 水:

Originally posted by hagare:

whatever you want
fish
craft
collect stuff
do achievements
do savage
do EXs
what exactly do you WANT to do?

Well, thats the neat part, idfk

well, if you want to chase ilvl.
Do savage.

[Tykero980]

Sounds like you havent played wow recently. When you hit max level there you get a million quests in valdraken with no guide to what is new relevant content and what is old patch content that is worthless. which is exactly what you said happens in ffxiv.

At least in ffxiv if you follow the msq you will be guided to relevant content for you as you push up your ilvl. But I do agree if you just hit max level there will be a bunch of the blue + quests that indicate they unlock new side content and that would take reading or googling them to figure out what to do but its really no different than wow in that regard.

[causality]

Originally posted by Aqua 水:

Originally posted by hagare:

whatever you want
fish
craft
collect stuff
do achievements
do savage
do EXs
what exactly do you WANT to do?

Well, thats the neat part, idfk

Just queue pvp and lose your soul in the process of obtaining the 5,000 Feast/CC win achievement.

[Judeo-communism]

Glamour is the only end game of FF14. Every time you get BIS gear, it gets obsolete in 2 patches.

[Dr Just Strong]

Its not anymore clear in wow than ff. Its probably cause you are new. Look at youtube and reddit if you are lost.

[Tokoriii]

If you are up to the challenge, try to search about groups to do Savage and extreme content.
You will mostly likely to find a group in the discord tho

[Raansu]

Originally posted by Aqua 水:

Originally posted by hagare:

whatever you want
fish
craft
collect stuff
do achievements
do savage
do EXs
what exactly do you WANT to do?

Well, thats the neat part, idfk

If you don't know, then just take a break, especially since dawntrail is only a little over a month away. You're not really going to be able to get into a raid group right now anyways since raiders have, for the most part, are not raiding anymore since the expansion is so close.

Generally speaking though, as the other poster said, end game is whatever you wanna focus on, whether that be crafting, raiding, hunts, treasure maps, beast tribes etc... You can be as casual or as hardcore as you want. This game doesn't really pressure you to stay subscribed to "keep up" with players and content.

[Acoustic Stoner]

a few months ago endwalker was trending as the worse expansion postgame in years.

Didn't help they added yet even more to the bloated Challenge content (extreme) (savage) with the critereon dungeons.

I used to enjoy the challenge content but the bloat burnt me out.
as for fishing, gathering, crafting all not in a good place for post game. It's there, but being there isn't enough when it's not fun. for alot of people it's "just macro it" and can you blame them for recommending "just macro it" not really when it's not well designed post game goals worth bothering with.

you know crafting is in a bad place when it's best is during a brand new expansion crafting all the new gear, and a patch days week one. to craft usually furniture.

many people are Hyped for dawntrail but i'm more curious.

Will they try. or will dawntrail show their true colours. (viper for a job name. Really? Was G.I Joe inspiration?, seems lazy and lack of foresight. As much as I hate ff13 for being a confused piece of crap of a game it had Ravager right F***ing there as an option. i'm sure a few paradigm options could've worked too.)

[Raansu]

Bloated challenge content? What? There's only 12 boss fights that are added over the course of two years as each tier lasts for months.. How is that bloated? People have been begging for more mid core content so they added critereon dungeons. One of the biggest complaints from end game players is there's not enough raid content.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by Aqua 水:

In WoW u know exactly what yo have to do as soon as you hit max. level it's farming gear score and mounts if u want them too, u can also go and hunt only achievements.

Now in final Fantasy as soon as you hit max. level as of now (EW) it doesnt tell you anything. You just sit there now level 90 knowing nothing.

When exactly does WoW tell you that you're supposed to chase gear score and mounts?

It doesn't. You hit level cap and then you just sit there, knowing nothing.

Originally posted by Катюша:

There is no endgame. XIV has never had one, and I doubt they ever will anymore. It's mostly for a casual audience nowadays, as that's the audience they decided to chase.

What do you mean there is no endgame?

- Patch releases
- Craft or buy and meld crafted gear
- Raid savage and buy time-gated tome gear until you're BiS
- Next patch releases
- Take your BiS to criterion and ultimate
- Repeat

There is an incredibly well defined endgame. You just don't engage with it.

[Aqua 水]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by Aqua 水:

In WoW u know exactly what yo have to do as soon as you hit max. level it's farming gear score and mounts if u want them too, u can also go and hunt only achievements.

Now in final Fantasy as soon as you hit max. level as of now (EW) it doesnt tell you anything. You just sit there now level 90 knowing nothing.

When exactly does WoW tell you that you're supposed to chase gear score and mounts?

It doesn't. You hit level cap and then you just sit there, knowing nothing.

Originally posted by Катюша:

There is no endgame. XIV has never had one, and I doubt they ever will anymore. It's mostly for a casual audience nowadays, as that's the audience they decided to chase.

What do you mean there is no endgame?

- Patch releases
- Craft or buy and meld crafted gear
- Raid savage and buy time-gated tome gear until you're BiS
- Next patch releases
- Take your BiS to criterion and ultimate
- Repeat

There is an incredibly well defined endgame. You just don't engage with it.

dude was taking a discussion about the endgame of ff14 personal