So which mods are "allowed"

[OMGitsTHEMEMI]

I understand that mods that will make you get 100% loot changes are pretty much cheating, as well as all mods are a reason to get banned, but are mods that you can install that the devs give them a "pass"? Or are mods allowed in private servers? If they are I haven't played this game yet

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Sayo:

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

Cool, then hope you like disabled people who have trouble being unable to see AoEs at times.

There's already a colorblind mode isn't there?

Phionix famously saw people needing to use a particular custom Reshade because it was orange on orange. There were other things before it, too, going back to the launch of 2.0

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Slaanesh:

Originally posted by Tasi:

Modding in this game is all in a very gray area, in theory every kind of mod is against TOS, in practice if you don't say anything and it's not something somebody else can notice (i.e. sleeping animations in cities, sketchy stuff in pvp) nothing will happen.

There is no gray area.

Modding is absolutely NOT allowed in this game.
When you get caught you will get banned for it

There are literally screenshot contest winners ENDORSED BY XIV using mods, from ReShade to removing the sandals on your feet. So no, not all mods will get you banned.

[Sayo]

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

Originally posted by Sayo:

There's already a colorblind mode isn't there?

Phionix famously saw people needing to use a particular custom Reshade because it was orange on orange. There were other things before it, too, going back to the launch of 2.0

Any other examples besides Phoenix?

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Sayo:

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

Phionix famously saw people needing to use a particular custom Reshade because it was orange on orange. There were other things before it, too, going back to the launch of 2.0

Any other examples besides Phoenix?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/un94kq/ffxiv_currently_has_a_problem_with_colourblind/

This is recent stuff, but it has stuff going back ages:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/463252

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/236624

I imagine certain Crystal Tower mechanics in LotA would be Hell depending.

But honestly, as seen, they've had problems with this going back as far as 1.0
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/104192

they've made attempts, because some things are better but some things aren't going great, obviously. Phionix and other fights aren't fixed, people who can't see the AoEs will need to use mods to differentiate them.

[Tasi]

Originally posted by Slaanesh:

Originally posted by Tasi:

Modding in this game is all in a very gray area, in theory every kind of mod is against TOS, in practice if you don't say anything and it's not something somebody else can notice (i.e. sleeping animations in cities, sketchy stuff in pvp) nothing will happen.

There is no gray area.

Modding is absolutely NOT allowed in this game.
When you get caught you will get banned for it

Yeah I said every mod is against TOS in theory, but the game has no way to detect any of them, so if there is no way for other people to see you use any, then technically you shouldn't get in trouble.

[causality]

Originally posted by blackzephyers:

Originally posted by causality:

Well they do enforce their rules. Not sure why you're presuming otherwise but that's a hot take. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU_40kRv3D0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8cAFexZ2Kg

I watched like 3 seconds but I assume the videos are about dumbass streamers. Yeah sorry, I'm not in nor keep up with their garbage sphere. Keep reaching though I'm sure you'll get rid of those pesky modders.

You don't need to watch them really. It was just to demonstrate to others that you were wrong about how SE enforces their rules. You don't decide how they run their game.

[Arbor]

Originally posted by weiss:

Originally posted by blackzephyers:

I talked about using mods in the game. Used them since 2018. I haven't been banned. It's not going to happen.

If your weak console/PC can't handle mods that's not my problem. I'm going to keep using 4k mods and cosmetic mods until I unsubscribe due to boredom.

give me your data center, world name and character name and then write clearly that you mod FF14 and using plugins.

as soon you did that could ANYONE here get you literarly suspended.
or even easier, dare to say in limsa openly that you modding your cloth etc. am sure there will be atleast 1 troll which screenshots the chat and gives the chatlog to a GM.
it will get you for sure suspended.
ofcourse will you not get banned if you dont tell anyone openly which you on your own dont trust.

Yeah I'll get right on that. Making you happy is my number one priority in life.

[War Maiden]

Originally posted by OMGitsTHEMEMI:

I understand that mods that will make you get 100% loot changes are pretty much cheating, as well as all mods are a reason to get banned, but are mods that you can install that the devs give them a "pass"? Or are mods allowed in private servers? If they are I haven't played this game yet

There are none.
That would be a violation of the End User Policy.

Originally posted by Sayo:

None of them.

Exactly thus.
Yoshi P has said, for years that 3rd party apps are a bannable offense - - - -

That being said...
Yet they allow 'seemingly' harmless 3P apps that alter appearance. Yet it seems anyone could make a malicious 'appearance mod' and totally f'up the game. Additionally - there is also the PVP APP cheaters whom basically make PVP a bigger headache than it has to be.

Originally posted by OMGitsTHEMEMI:

So, do I support 3p mods?

Hard to say. Until Yoshi-P actually puts his foot down and has a server farm dedicated to parsing the 3P mod BS and banning them for 'actual' cheating, my opinion remains to be seen.

[Arbor]

You know what's funny? I didn't know what Mare was until people in game spelled it out for me. The first person was a complete stranger. The other was someone in a random FC I joined. People talking about mods in game... go figure.

There's literally over 20,000 people using mods. Hundreds of them openly. No one cares

[Ralf]

Originally posted by blackzephyers:

There's literally over 20,000 people using mods. Hundreds of them openly. No one cares

You missed a 0 there. The downloads for body mods(there are 3-4 versions) are around 200.000-300.000 from just one site.

[weiss]

Originally posted by owlBear:

Every last mod, from speedhacks to sitting on unsittable railing, is not allowed and anyone who tells you otherwise is horribly misinformed.

How much that mod effects gameplay (cheats) and the greater game (dupes) is also how likely they are to do something about it.

you described cheating. you need to put a difference between cheat mods/plugins which give players an adventage and mods which simply only mod clothing which would not affect you.

both types of modding are forbidden, but you putt cheat mods and simple outfit modding onto the same level which is wrong.

for example:
someone which ONLY mods their outfits is not automaticly a cheater. they only want to look better for themselfs and it affects noone else and it doesnt gives an adventage over peoples. is it allowed? no, but that person doesnt cheats.

the amount of peoples which actually cheat are a minority. the sad thing is that if one of those getting cought is the drama bigger and overtunes everything else. for example: if someone gets banned which only modded an outfit would the community probably defend that person and be like ... come on, they only modded some cloth/armor outfits ingame.

i mean its already known that SE punishes peoples with plugins/mods which give an adventage way harder then someone which only modded some armor and pants to look better.

[Doctor Zalgo]

I believe SQEN suspended a streamer who used cosmetics on their stream as well. The rule has always been 'don't show, don't tell'.

https://www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-14-cracking-down-mods

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by Doctor Zalgo:

I believe SQEN suspended a streamer who used cosmetics on their stream as well. The rule has always been 'don't show, don't tell'.

https://www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-14-cracking-down-mods

That wasn't because of cosmetics. Unsurprisingly IGN doesn't know what the ♥♥♥♥ they are talking about and just described it as "visual" mods. Melo was streaming with ACT on and didn't even have the courtesy to abbreviate player names. I wasn't watching when it happened, but wouldn't be surprised if some ♥♥♥♥ talking happened and someone decided to report Melo over it. Otherwise Twitch wouldn't have gotten involved. Twitch isn't going to ban you because you violated rules in regards to the game you are playing. Twitch would have banned Melo for being an ass and harassing people.

You'd have to have a pretty vindictive person in your stream to report you to SE if all you were using were cosmetic mods in the vain of UI mods or something. And certainly Twitch wouldn't ban you for that.

[causality]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Originally posted by Doctor Zalgo:

I believe SQEN suspended a streamer who used cosmetics on their stream as well. The rule has always been 'don't show, don't tell'.

https://www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-14-cracking-down-mods

That wasn't because of cosmetics. Unsurprisingly IGN doesn't know what the ♥♥♥♥ they are talking about and just described it as "visual" mods. Melo was streaming with ACT on and didn't even have the courtesy to abbreviate player names. I wasn't watching when it happened, but wouldn't be surprised if some ♥♥♥♥ talking happened and someone decided to report Melo over it. Otherwise Twitch wouldn't have gotten involved. Twitch isn't going to ban you because you violated rules in regards to the game you are playing. Twitch would have banned Melo for being an ass and harassing people.

You'd have to have a pretty vindictive person in your stream to report you to SE if all you were using were cosmetic mods in the vain of UI mods or something. And certainly Twitch wouldn't ban you for that.

Out of curiosity Tsurayu chan who is streaming with cosmetic mods on? Because I actively watch a lot of popular streamers and raiders.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by causality:

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

That wasn't because of cosmetics. Unsurprisingly IGN doesn't know what the ♥♥♥♥ they are talking about and just described it as "visual" mods. Melo was streaming with ACT on and didn't even have the courtesy to abbreviate player names. I wasn't watching when it happened, but wouldn't be surprised if some ♥♥♥♥ talking happened and someone decided to report Melo over it. Otherwise Twitch wouldn't have gotten involved. Twitch isn't going to ban you because you violated rules in regards to the game you are playing. Twitch would have banned Melo for being an ass and harassing people.

You'd have to have a pretty vindictive person in your stream to report you to SE if all you were using were cosmetic mods in the vain of UI mods or something. And certainly Twitch wouldn't ban you for that.

Out of curiosity Tsurayu chan who is streaming with cosmetic mods on? Because I actively watch a lot of popular streamers and raiders.

I don't imagine any sane person is streaming with them on. At least not on the likes of places like Twitch. Just cause you aren't likely to get reported if all you are using are cosmetic mods on doesn't mean someone should be an idiot and stream with them anyway.

I'm just saying I know that Melo was using ACT, and while I don't know if he was at the time of his ban, he also was well known for using ACT plug-ins as a raider, too. It wasn't because of cosmetics that he was banned.