So which mods are "allowed"

[OMGitsTHEMEMI]

I understand that mods that will make you get 100% loot changes are pretty much cheating, as well as all mods are a reason to get banned, but are mods that you can install that the devs give them a "pass"? Or are mods allowed in private servers? If they are I haven't played this game yet

[Giganx]

引用自 Dervantar：

None. All modifications are prohibited. There is no need for a lenghty debate.

I understand some of the confusion.

I've never used mods like reshade but I think it just gives you more convenient access to your video card settings to adjust things like lighting, aliasing, etc. on the spot. It's a modification, but basically in the same way that adjusting the brightness on your monitor is a modification.

At what point does modification become illegal? The line isn't clearly defined.

[Sunny]

Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data.

That's the line, clearly stated in the code of conduct. There's just no point in arguing with folks when they don't understand what ReShade is or does. Certain folks cut out the relevant bits when quoting the page because it IS very clear, and leaving the definition itself out is the only way to generate an argument.

This is why I really encourage everyone to go read it themselves. Mod stuff is talked about under the game balance section. It's really not unclear or hard.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/faqarticle.php?kid=68216&id=5382&la=1&ret=rule

Y'all should read it, because right now you're playing chess with a pigeon again.

[Lixire]

引用自 Yes：

It would be interesting to see what kind of extreme mods causality is running for them to be projecting this hard. I've seen a few lewd ones on twitter that could raise some eyebrows but this gotta be better.

ig probably tried PvP, got shi*t on due to a cheater. "all addons must be banned"
Which if that's the case then I get him but at the same time you might as well play league or dota for PvP

[$CRWD]

引用自 causality：

引用自 Pietro：

And yes, Discord, Discord servers with bots that provide real-time in-game data, Skype, Steam or any other program that offers voice communication, real-time data, etc., while playing the game fall under the category of 3RD PARTY.

It's not for you to decide their rules and definitions. I am simply quoting what the ToS and producer/director of FFXIV have wrote and your mods fall under the category of things which are actionable for offense. If you don't like it then why did you accept their user agreement and ToS in the first place? :lunar2019piginablanket:

You have done nothing but practice selective illiteracy, given out jester awards, and awarded your own comments in some vain attempt of vindication. You have selectively quoted ToS and Yoshi, without context and more importantly, without any nuance given everything Yoshi has stated.

ReShade is not a mod, because it does not function like a mod. Not all mods are 3rd party tools, and not all 3rd party tools are "mods." And no amount of mantric repetitions to the contrary will make that so. ReShade qualifies as a 3rd party tool in the same way that Discord, or periphery software qualifies - even when these same tools do not interface with the game's assets, packets, or files directly.

The use of Discord (voice communication for raids, servers with real-time analysis of in-game data), the use of Steam (Steam's overlay, or Steam's voice communication), even the use of Nvidia GeForce's in-built ReShade (where FFXIV is an APPROVED GAME offered), et. al. fall under technical ToS violations because they do indeed function as 3rd party tools.

[$CRWD]

引用自 Tsurayu：

引用自 causality：

Okay let's see your evidence then. I have mine. :cuphead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=742&v=WH1TapwM4mE&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1224&v=WH1TapwM4mE&feature=youtu.be

That's not evidence. ReShade isn't a third party tool.

Besides, your constant need to re-post those same couple articles isn't any stronger than when Hvinire went on record on the OF and said it was okay. Even if they were to change their stance, they would have gone back and removed that post.

It is a 3rd party tool because it is external software that, in some shape or form, modifies the experience of one's play - despite the fact that it does not modify assets, data, or packets. In the same way that Window's calculator, Discord, or periphery software for one's headphones, keyboard, and mice modify the experience of one's play. For reasons I've mentioned previously, there is a reason why the blanket statement of "ALL...tools are prohibited" was given, in conjunction with Yoshi-P's deliberate spoken exemption in numerous live-letters that using certain tools is fine and won't be penalized.

[Scarsick]

引用自 causality：

引用自 Pietro：

And yes, Discord, Discord servers with bots that provide real-time in-game data, Skype, Steam or any other program that offers voice communication, real-time data, etc., while playing the game fall under the category of 3RD PARTY.

It's not for you to decide their rules and definitions. I am simply quoting what the ToS and producer/director of FFXIV have wrote and your mods fall under the category of things which are actionable for offense. If you don't like it then why did you accept their user agreement and ToS in the first place? :lunar2019piginablanket:

Gotta love people bringing the old ToS bs.

Yes, mods are against ToS. No, you will not get banned for using them as long as you don't talk about them, and SE don't care about them, and won't do anything do detect them, which makes sense since graphic mods, reshade, DPS meters and stuff like that are not cheating.

[Trevor Jacobson]

引用自 Pietro：

引用自 causality：

to the producer/director saying how they do breach the ToS.

Where.

Edit: A jester award isn't a source.

引用自 causality：

edit: Not to belittle of the efforts of whoever develops Reshade but from my research it usually makes the game look worse and oversaturated. :cuphead:

If your game looks worse, get a better preset, or make your own.

It is exactly as this person has stated!

[Trevor Jacobson]

引用自 Pietro：

引用自 causality：

What?

Your responses are far more deserving of awards, and you do have a habit of awarding your own. No one here really bothers to read what you have to say except for the few people, like myself, that you either intentionally misread, misrepresent or both.

Regardless, since this conversation is of use to those reading, rather than those responding:

引用自 causality：

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=742&v=WH1TapwM4mE&feature=youtu.be

For context, the modding-related section of this live-letter related to a few incidents in 2020: pictures of NPCs with modified clothing, and the use of ACT.
You can read about those incidents on Reddit. They deal with JP DC drama, mostly.

Yoshi-P's explanation of his position is two-fold here. Square Enix's legal position is that 3rd party tools are not allowed, HOWEVER, if there is a popular mod that brings players to the game, and improves the overall experience of players within the game without drastically impacting balance, it may eventually be incorporated. He goes as far as providing an example of a map mod (UI) that could, hypothetically, be added to the game. Here Yoshi-P EXPLICITELY categorizes this incorporation as Square Enix's "mod culture." It can be difficult to wrap one's head around this, but there are legal reasons as to why a company states one thing, and then creates exemptions in the next breath. Yoshi-P's articulation of modding culture is a technical exemption of certain modding behavior, but not all; he deliberately allows for the use of certain mods and their incorporation - if they are reasonable, fun, and popular.
It would be DISHONEST to omit this fact of exemption being made here.
The entire section of the liveletter where he speaks of modding culture would simply not be worth mentioning if Yoshi-P did not have exemptions in place, because there would be no mods allowed by modders to be incorporated in the first place.

(I should also say, we are seeing in real-time this exemption take place with the blacklisting overhaul. It incorporates features already established by pvis/voidlisting and keyword filters.)

Furthermore, none of this even touches upon ReShade. It only deals with 2 types of mods and 1 3rd party tool: mods to appearance, UI mods, and a 3rd party combat analysis or parsing tool that directly interacts with the game's files/data.

引用自 causality：

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/436dce7bd078c914009957f2221c13e6a5cb497d

Here is, yet again, another response to the use of ACT, a parser that relies on client data and analyzes it.


None of what was cited here touches upon ReShade and post-processing injectors explicitely. For the foreseeable future they are safe to use because they do not modify or even analyze the game files. ReShade only interfaces with Direct X. And if you would like to learn the specifics of how this tool works, you need simply visit the website for an explanation. In principle, it would be no different than adjusting the screen settings on your monitor to reduce or increase brightness and other aesthetic qualities. And as was previously stated, it is as much a peripheral feature as the software that comes with a headset offering surround sound, or a mouse with programmable buttons. And yes, Discord, Discord servers with bots that provide real-time in-game data, Skype, Steam or any other program that offers voice communication, real-time data, etc., while playing the game fall under the category of 3RD PARTY. And because so many things do fall under 3rd party, it would be a legal nightmare to carve out explicit exemptions in legal writing, ergo Yoshi P settles for his own explanation in that live letter. It suffices, and nothing will change that.

I completely agree with everything that you are saying. The people spamming Jester awards just don't know what they are talking about

[causality]

Agreeing with each other is fine but no one has actually refuted the ToS and talking about jester awards seems juvenile.

Anyway, back to Elden Ring for me. Enjoy.

[causality]

引用自 Pietro：

引用自 causality：

Agreeing with each other is fine but no one has actually refuted the ToS and talking about jester awards seems juvenile.

Anyway, back to Elden Ring for me. Enjoy.

Your consistent misreading of replies, and attitude in general has been juvenile.

That's a rather strange assessment of my contributions to this thread regarding 3rd party tools (which are against the ToS) from someone who wrote entire paragraphs about me giving you jester awards, when I've actually haven't given you a single one, someone else is. It's a strange fixation you have and doesn't progress our discussion about 3rd party tools but don't let me stop you. Carry on.

[Metalshock]

引用自 causality：

引用自 Pietro：

Your consistent misreading of replies, and attitude in general has been juvenile.

That's a rather strange assessment of my contributions to this thread regarding 3rd party tools (which are against the ToS) from someone who wrote entire paragraphs about me giving you jester awards, when I've actually haven't given you a single one, someone else is. It's a strange fixation you have and doesn't progress our discussion about 3rd party tools but don't let me stop you. Carry on. :lunar2019piginablanket:

And yet you don't answer any of his actual points, dismissing his argument without ever actually acknowledging it.


Anyway, handed out a couple of rewards for good research, providing citation to claims, and being clear and detailed in the argument. Unfortunately, this entire discourse has also left the OP unanswered, though I personally don't know enough to give a precise list on what kinds of mods SE wouldn't bother to go after you for.

All I can say is this: don't use any actual cheats, play the game your way, and nobody needs to hear about what you personally do to the game to be more fun. Just have fun and don't harm others. Surprisingly simple, when you think about it.

[miqz]

God it's always so funny when people sperg out about how you will 100% get banned from modding and how yoshi himself will kick your door down, when botting and cheats like that are something you basically never get banned for unless you specifically record yourself doing it
the gm's in xiv are actaully useless in regards to that and unless you're mass reported with video evidence, they wont act on anything that doesn't involve someone getting their feefees hurt in shout chat

[Leown]

I am so damn confused as to why people think Reshade is against ToS because its a 3rd party tool when quite literally Nvidia can be used as a Filter to do the same damn thing and is also 3rd party. By that logic Steam, Discord and anything that is considered outside of FFXIV is 3rd party and is not allowed. Literally a case of people hating on anything that is not apart of FFXIV and will lump everything and anything within the ToS lines and act like they are right when they clearly are not. The hell is with this clown bait?

Mods are bannable plain and simple.

Clothing
Hair
Body modifications
UI
VFX
Tools such as ACT, Autoskills in pvp, Zoom, Price checker, Even CHAT BUBBLES are bannable.


You will be banned regardless if you are caught. Literally use at your own risk. Even if people from the modding community says "you won't get banned for it they can't see it unless you stream" There is always a risk take it or leave it.

The only time they add any of this to the game is if an overwhelming amount of the community uses/requests/comes to the game for it. And even then people are still banned by the 10s to 100s for it if they got caught before its even put in the game.

[Scarsick]

引用自 Leown：

Mods are bannable plain and simple.

Clothing
Hair
Body modifications
UI
VFX
Tools such as ACT, Autoskills in pvp, Zoom, Price checker, Even CHAT BUBBLES are bannable.


You will be banned regardless if you are caught. Literally use at your own risk.

Again, no, you won't. Unless you give reason like TALKING ABOUT IT INGAME. That's the only way you will "get caught"

And by your own logic Reshade should be on that little list of yours, because it's a 3rd party tool. You don't get to chose what's bannable or not based on what you use.

[Goonersaurus]

I have been using mods for 8 years and never once did I receive a warning, like others stated, don't be stupid and talk about it in game and you will be fine.