New Lion Character is Cringe

[CountCapacollo]

I said it.

Voice acting is as terrible as the writing. They really didn't put forth their best foot.

[cinless]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Playing the victim, then. Harassed or not, they were employed by SE anyway. They are paid to do a job. So you're telling me that EVERYONE is forced to like them now or be called transphobes? Nobody is protected from criticism. No VAs are safe from being disliked.

The only reason that you can't use your logic against ARR Alphinaud is that the voice actor was not trans. Yet lot of people didn't like his voice. As soon as someone voices a complaint against a character that a trans voiced though, we should feel pity for the person...?

Where's the equality here? They have a harder time getting a job, sure. But work is work. You cannot force someone to like a character's voice acting just because you feel empathy for the person behind the character. You cannot censor or insult people over it. Not hard...

Efficacy of your argument somewhat hampered by the amount of transphobia actually present in this thread.

[Stormy Dawn]

The problem ends up stemming from the apparent inability to be critical of Sena Bryer's performance without being labeled as transphobic. Certainly not everyone feels that way, but it only takes a couple people screaming 'you transphobe!" foryou just lose interest in discussing anything with those people and make you start lumping all of "them" together.

That's the part some of the trans community doesn't seem to understand. You have your fellow brothers and sisters ruining everything - the same as any community suffers from. Trans individuals who can't stop screaming, making everything about them. Shutting down any discourse (whether warranted or not) by yelling transphobe and trying to end the conversation like that.

I'll admit it's gotten harder and harder for me over the years to support the Ts in the LGBT community. It does make me feel like an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but it's just how I feel. I know there are plenty of transsexual individuals who don't feel the need to make everything about themselves and try to force everyone in the world to agree with them, but when the minority is so vocal.. so loud.. so annoying and obnoxious it's hard to remember they don't represent everyone.

The whole LGBT movement was never about making everyone accept us unconditionally. It was about helping people understand, and at least respect us as individuals. They didn't have to agree with our lifestyle choices, but at least understand that we don't share the same as them. But now the movement is shifting into this frankly disturbing way of trying to force everyone to not only tolerate them, but to agree with them fully. Disgusting.

[Alternity]

Guys I am mad at these comments but I don't know what to say so I'll call everyone transphobe without actually pointing out any transphobe thing that was said in the thread, I just want to feel better.

[cinless]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

I'll admit it's gotten harder and harder for me over the years to support the Ts in the LGBT community.

Being told that my acceptance is conditional on other people's behaviour just feels so great.
Please tell me more about how you actually have a really good reason to think I don't deserve basic rights.

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Basically, this. Playing the victim when a trans is criticised for their job is pretty telling of this community. As if they're protected from criticism because they're oppressed. Like, excuse me but no. Treat everyone equally or don't but they shouldn't be hypocrites about it.

The first reply to the thread is overt transphobia,

[Alternity]

Originally posted by cinless:

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

I'll admit it's gotten harder and harder for me over the years to support the Ts in the LGBT community.

Being told that my acceptance is conditional on other people's behaviour just feels so great.
Please tell me more about how you actually have a really good reason to think I don't deserve basic rights.

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Basically, this. Playing the victim when a trans is criticised for their job is pretty telling of this community. As if they're protected from criticism because they're oppressed. Like, excuse me but no. Treat everyone equally or don't but they shouldn't be hypocrites about it.

The first reply to the thread is overt transphobia,

1- There are actually a lot of gay/bi people that do not want to be associated with Trans people because of their (social media) behavior, so that's in touch with reality, not some fantasy land.

2- Dude is actually playing victim, so again, truth. You can play victim for multiple reasons, it has nothing to do with transphobia, it's just what this individual is doing.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by cinless:

Being told that my acceptance is conditional on other people's behaviour just feels so great.
Please tell me more about how you actually have a really good reason to think I don't deserve basic rights.

Welcome to the real world. Never said it was good or fair, but the way the vast majority of people view it.

Why do you think all the injustices in the world still exist? Because you have insane people in every camp that want to take things too far.

For me I've lost favor for the whole community at large when it stopped being a mostly private affair and became a public spectacle. The whole world doesn't need to know my sexuality, so why in the Hell would I wear it like it is some kind of badge of honor? Wasn't it enough to just fight for understanding? It was never my goal to make everyone in the world accept bisexuality. All I ever wanted was for people to just be like "okay, whatever." That if I should ever feel the desire or need to tell someone that they were going to be like "... and?" It's not something that defines what I am. Being bisexual is pretty damn far down on my list of things that make me who I am.

[cinless]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

For me I've lost favor for the whole community at large when it stopped being a mostly private affair and became a public spectacle. The whole world doesn't need to know my sexuality, so why in the Hell would I wear it like it is some kind of badge of honor? Wasn't it enough to just fight for understanding? It was never my goal to make everyone in the world accept bisexuality. All I ever wanted was for people to just be like "okay, whatever." That if I should ever feel the desire or need to tell someone that they were going to be like "... and?" It's not something that defines what I am. Being bisexual is pretty damn far down on my list of things that make me who I am.

Even if nobody's ever called you a slur to your face you live in a world where some folks are very casual about wanting you and everyone like you wiped off the face of the planet.
The pride is about enduring in spite of that. If you don't want to take pride in that, fine, but don't begrudge others for doing it.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by cinless:

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

For me I've lost favor for the whole community at large when it stopped being a mostly private affair and became a public spectacle. The whole world doesn't need to know my sexuality, so why in the Hell would I wear it like it is some kind of badge of honor? Wasn't it enough to just fight for understanding? It was never my goal to make everyone in the world accept bisexuality. All I ever wanted was for people to just be like "okay, whatever." That if I should ever feel the desire or need to tell someone that they were going to be like "... and?" It's not something that defines what I am. Being bisexual is pretty damn far down on my list of things that make me who I am.

Even if nobody's ever called you a slur to your face you live in a world where some folks are very casual about wanting you and everyone like you wiped off the face of the planet.
The pride is about enduring in spite of that. If you don't want to take pride in that, fine, but don't begrudge others for doing it.

I will begrudge those individuals who bring resentment upon themselves with their actions because it has effectively ruined all of the hard work that came before over the decades.

It's a two way street. Certainly there are people who just hate us for being who we are, and there is nothing we can do to change their minds. But forgive me if I'm annoyed that so much of the goodwill our community has built up has been eroded away almost exclusively by some members of the transsexual community who have taken it upon themselves to take the fight to levels and extremes that the majority didn't want and have managed to alienate not only themselves but the rest of us.

[lilac]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by cinless:

The first reply to the thread is overt transphobia,

The first reply to the thread is betting that someone like Sasha would come up to throw the word around and look at that, they were right. Who would have thought, right...?

its obvious that your just "plugging your ears" and choosing to ignore everything that is said. i mean you literally just keep repeating the exact same thing, and i keep giving you the same response, which you promptly ignore. there is no room to reason with you or even argue with you. you have clearly stated that trans women are not women and even dehumanize them by just referring to them as 'a trans". (which again has nothing to do with voice acting) in your own words:

Originally posted by Seraphita:

You're only here for drama.

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Originally posted by cinless:

Even if nobody's ever called you a slur to your face you live in a world where some folks are very casual about wanting you and everyone like you wiped off the face of the planet.
The pride is about enduring in spite of that. If you don't want to take pride in that, fine, but don't begrudge others for doing it.

I will begrudge those individuals who bring resentment upon themselves with their actions because it has effectively ruined all of the hard work that came before over the decades.

It's a two way street. Certainly there are people who just hate us for being who we are, and there is nothing we can do to change their minds. But forgive me if I'm annoyed that so much of the goodwill our community has built up has been eroded away almost exclusively by some members of the transsexual community who have taken it upon themselves to take the fight to levels and extremes that the majority didn't want and have managed to alienate not only themselves but the rest of us.

something something face eating leopards..

[War Maiden]

Originally posted by Alternity:

Quick question here: if trans women are indeed women, why classify them as trans women and not just women?

I am curious to see the logic here. If they were indeed women, you'd just call them women and we would move on but for some reason you need to specify that they are trans. We don't do that for any other types of woman.

It is a legal issue in the U.S.:
Transferring M2F or F2M is an involved process both legally, medically and psychologically. I would, personally, rather call a trans by their preferred gender, and I do, in my offices. But until they legally change their legal gender status, we are forced to continue to use their prior gender identity as thus.

Many of my patients find themselves having issues with the change - mentally.
While a good number of patients accept their change. Go to voice adjustment training, and the like to fully acclimate with their new gender life. Truly, depending on the 'trans' for the patients intended gender, most F2M are easy. Most do not even want a penis, and those that do require multiple surgeries to not only clear the female reproductive organs (if they want that done) and to install something that resembles a male penis. There are donors, that have opted to give body parts upon death (even a penis), and those get the highest value regard.

So I answered your question, 'professionally'.
As for the unprofessional 'gamer sense', many people are still reluctant to believe there are 'women online', and that 'women play games online' or 'women play RPG's and are not strong and don't know what they are doing in any situation', etc. This is a completely 'alpha' male and alpha wannabe insecure concept. It comes from males thinking they are the dominant gender in every way. Which most of we, whom are in the true know, believe this is a fallacy.

So, wrapping this up, medically and socially:
'Trans' is a 'state' that many people adhere to. Be they bio women or men.
They, whom feel as if their 'body' (to some extremes 'encasement') is wrong, and they feel more female or male. They want to do the change, and will go through the 'trials to do it'. Not all succeed, most don't, actually. Additionally - Most whom do not undergo the extra bits, like the voice attenuation to female, social classes on being a female, and the pharma side - they will typically not be successful in their 'trans'.

Truth be told.
I would rather just speak of them as their changed or identity result.
I do, in my offices, but in places where others can hear and in open spaces I must devolve to the 'standard response'. Just a FYI: If they are not Pre-Op - I refer to them as their chosen gender. Post Op there is no issue.