How many people are actually using mods?

[Popcorn]

So many screenshots around here or on twitter are showing characters who've been altered so much and don't even look close to the original design of the game. There's even subreddits just for people who are modding - and there's not just a few people in there.

How many people are actually modding in this game? How BIG is the modding scene? Is everyone seeing their characters differently than I am with using no mods at all?

[Yes]

Originalmente postado por Giganx:

Basically everyone who does Party Finder content uses mods. Like in any MMO you'll just get yelled at and blacklisted if you don't have the same cheat tools installed as everyone else in your party. No one wants to sit around waiting for the guy who's actually trying to do the mechanics himself.

Is it the same amount that also does 1% of the dps and hindering clears? Also as a lazy person, Please show me the abundance of mods that lets you enter an instance and then go away from the pc.

[The Rizzler]

Originalmente postado por Yes:

Originalmente postado por The Rizzler:

Well, it's been a while.
But if I remember correctly you guys Defended cheating culture with your "but hair is cheating too" braindead argument

I mean no, I asked if you it was on the same level and you said yes.

I know it's amazing when you're so selective

It's hilarious that you latched on to my sarcastic.Yes And not the
Five thousand
"No Modding hair is not the same as outright cheating "

[Yürei]

Originalmente postado por Giganx:

Basically everyone who does Party Finder content uses mods. Like in any MMO you'll just get yelled at and blacklisted if you don't have the same cheat tools installed as everyone else in your party. No one wants to sit around waiting for the guy who's actually trying to do the mechanics himself.

I have no clue as to what Party Finder you've been joining to be kicked from a prog/practice party. People can kick you out for not knowing the mechanics in farm parties especially if they say to know the mechanics. The amount of times I'm in a farm party, not a prog party nor practice party, and someone joins acting like they know the mechanics only to fail is quite high.

[Yes]

Originalmente postado por The Rizzler:

Originalmente postado por Yes:

I mean no, I asked if you it was on the same level and you said yes.

I know it's amazing when you're so selective

It's hilarious that you latched on to my sarcastic.Yes And not the
Five thousand
"No Modding hair is not the same as outright cheating "

Im just glad i finally got the answer i asked for so many threads ago. Finally we can agree that modding and botting aint in the same league.

[galacticcorgi]

Originalmente postado por omarxz11:

Originalmente postado por galacticcorgi:

I just use Reshade because of how washed out the game is--it gives me a headache.

with dawntrail you wouldn't need it anymore as they will apply it with colors and lighting and shadow much better with new expansion

We don't know for sure if it's fixing how washed out early areas are, just adjusting some lighting. So we'll have to see.

[causality]

Might want to recalibrate your monitor or go to an ophthalmologist if you experience headaches and think the default game graphics looks washed out without Reshade.

edit: But seriously if you get headaches playing this game not caused by PF then I suggest you visit you a doctor.

[Alternity]

Originalmente postado por Yürei:

Originalmente postado por Giganx:

Basically everyone who does Party Finder content uses mods. Like in any MMO you'll just get yelled at and blacklisted if you don't have the same cheat tools installed as everyone else in your party. No one wants to sit around waiting for the guy who's actually trying to do the mechanics himself.

I have no clue as to what Party Finder you've been joining to be kicked from a prog/practice party. People can kick you out for not knowing the mechanics in farm parties especially if they say to know the mechanics. The amount of times I'm in a farm party, not a prog party nor practice party, and someone joins acting like they know the mechanics only to fail is quite high.

Just be aware that this guy keeps talking about PF and raiding without actually experiencing it.

[MOSLEY]

Originalmente postado por Giganx:

Basically everyone who does Party Finder content uses mods. Like in any MMO you'll just get yelled at and blacklisted if you don't have the same cheat tools installed as everyone else in your party. No one wants to sit around waiting for the guy who's actually trying to do the mechanics himself.

In PF, the expectation is generally that people have prepared beforehand - looked at guides and understand the mechanics that they're trying to prog and the strat that will be used to solve them.

It should only take a few pulls to get comfortable with a mechanic in PF if someone isn't trapping.

If you want slower prog where this isn't the case, join blind prog parties.

[Integrity]

Originalmente postado por Giganx:

Basically everyone who does Party Finder content uses mods. Like in any MMO you'll just get yelled at and blacklisted if you don't have the same cheat tools installed as everyone else in your party. No one wants to sit around waiting for the guy who's actually trying to do the mechanics himself.

There are definitely a few regulars in PF who don't use anything. In all my statics, I'd say about 60% use cactbot or triggers of some sort. These cheat tools are commonly used but thankfully there are a good portion of players who have enough pride to not use them.,

[Giganx]

Originalmente postado por Yes:

Originalmente postado por Giganx:

Basically everyone who does Party Finder content uses mods. Like in any MMO you'll just get yelled at and blacklisted if you don't have the same cheat tools installed as everyone else in your party. No one wants to sit around waiting for the guy who's actually trying to do the mechanics himself.

Is it the same amount that also does 1% of the dps and hindering clears? Also as a lazy person, Please show me the abundance of mods that lets you enter an instance and then go away from the pc.

As far as I'm aware there are no mods that can actually do optimal rotations for you, so yea, plenty of the people cheating in PF still need to be carried. Since you can't talk about DPS in chat in this game they'll mostly get away with it, though.

Mechanics you can totally call people out on, however, and not even practice groups are going to tolerate you "learning" mechanics for very long.

That's not necessarily a dig at this MMO specifically either; it's just MMO culture. MMO's don't attract patient people who enjoy a challenge; people just want to get their clear and move on. If you're the only person failing mechanics because you're not running the correct mods then you're going to need to start making like minded friends and only run content with them.

Originalmente postado por Alternity:

Just be aware that this guy keeps talking about PF and raiding without actually experiencing it.

That's fair. I've run prog in different MMO's and still kind of frequent those communities in this game out of habit. From what I can tell it seems to be the same here as most MMO's; lots of mods and very little patience for people who try to play clean. Mods being "illegal" doesn't really change anything.

[Sotari]

Most people on PC have or had used mods. Showcasing it on social media is asking for trouble though. There been instances historically where people either gotten reported or outright banned.

[Alternity]

Originalmente postado por Giganx:

Originalmente postado por Alternity:

Just be aware that this guy keeps talking about PF and raiding without actually experiencing it.

That's fair. I've run prog in different MMO's and still kind of frequent those communities in this game out of habit. From what I can tell it seems to be the same here as most MMO's; lots of mods and very little patience for people who try to play clean. Mods being "illegal" doesn't really change anything.

The only mod that is relatively widespread are the callouts from cacbot, and generally, in my own experience, a lot of people, including myself, find it kinda silly that some people need those callouts when people can just call out stuff using voice chat, cactbot only gives you like a 1 or 2 second advantage in most cases. ACT is a widespread used memory reader, which for self improvement is relatively required, hard to tell sometimes what you're doing wrong without parsing your logs, however, you don't need to use it yourself, as long as at least one person in your group logs and uploads, you can parse your logs and see what happened, in a lot of groups I've seen a lot of players just relying on others for ACT, so the actual number of people using it is probably not as high as people think. Your logs, even if you've never used ACT, might even already be on fflogs, as not only end game content is logged, but all current content including dungeons, so you might be on there without even knowing it.

Other than these two, there isn't that much mods that are widespread as much as you'd think. I know of some other mods people use but these are not the majority of players (i.e. zoom modification which isn't as a big deal as people realise, pixel perfect (showing your hitbox), etc). I don't know what kind of anecdotal evidence you're using to think that the majority uses I quote "lots of mods" for raiding.

[Giganx]

Well, anything offered up on this topic is going to be anecdotal. Your accounts are just as anecdotal as anything else I've heard about how many people are using what mods.

Also, it seems like most PF groups don't use voice chat and don't do callouts. I'm sure for statics it's more efficient and less risky to have just one guy running mods and relaying the information over voice. Standard PF isn't going to be that organized, though, so it's 'bring your own mods.'

To make sure it's all in the correct context I'll repeat that it's all just stuff I hear from the community; I don't prog myself. FFXIV's slow paced gameplay just never really motivated me to want to see it's apex.

[Alternity]

Originalmente postado por Giganx:

Also, it seems like most PF groups don't use voice chat and don't do callouts. I'm sure for statics it's more efficient and less risky to have just one guy running mods and relaying the information over voice. Standard PF isn't going to be that organized, though, so it's 'bring your own mods.'

I'd say about 30% of prog PFs I've been to prefer to join a throwaway discord server to get into voice chat as it is much more efficient to talk about stategies and mechanics through voice chat rather than text.

I gotta say though that I've only heard 2 people using cactbot and calling out, out of all the people I've played with. You can tell they use cactbot because they get the information before everyone else (cactbot calls it out before you can see what to do). It's really not as widespread as you make it seem. Most shotcallers are shotcallers because they understand the fight, not because they use mods.

[Shinkiro]

Originalmente postado por Yürei:

Originalmente postado por causality:

Why would someone need ACT and Cactbot for extreme trials? :lunar2019deadpanpig:

From what I gathered, some people can't play well without Cactbot.

People can barely play the game WITH cactpot but atleast it makes randoms less likely to be terrible.