About DPS meter

[𝕯𝖏𝖔𝖓𝖎]

is it dansgerous to use it if you not talk about it in game ? I use it in a lot of MMo for myself. And i heard that Square Enix ban user for that. What is your feedback ?

[Judeo-communism]

Originally posted by causality:

I'm not sure why you're so adamant against all the previous evidence. Is it not sufficient enough to prove that cheating occurs in FFXIV? :lunar2019piginablanket:

It's not that cheating never occurs, it's that it's so absurdly rare and anyone who does is instantly banned publicly like the people who cheated on world first ultimates.

Cheating is a not a thing in XIV. Just stop being bad.

[causality]

Originally posted by Doonix:

Originally posted by causality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOKItaf2khM

I'm not sure why you're so adamant against all the previous evidence. Is it not sufficient enough to prove that cheating occurs in FFXIV?

wtf how can someone play with this information on the screen
The last time I saw something so polluted was watching WoW live
jesus christ

WoW hud layouts are so polluted you can't even see the game anymore.

[Mr.Braixen]

You wont get banned for plugins, you wont get banned for mods, you wont get banned for ACT. You can however get banned for speaking about it ingame.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by causality:

I'm not sure why you're so adamant against all the previous evidence. Is it not sufficient enough to prove that cheating occurs in FFXIV? :lunar2019piginablanket:

The only part of the video of Xeem's that is arguably cheating is Splatoon. The whole thing about pulling out the camera with zoom hacks and crap is not cheating. And I frankly am not knowledgeable about PVP hacks because I don't care what PVP players are doing.

Either way, these are extremely remote examples of cheating, and the vast majority of things users cry "cheating!" about aren't even cheats, but people like you pounce on the opportunity to decry any of it because you think it's fun to crap on third-party tools for no reason.

Take this topic for example. We went from talking about ACT (which is not cheating) to talking about some of the most fringe, specific examples of hacks in this game just so you can stupidly try to connect the dots.

[causality]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Originally posted by causality:

I'm not sure why you're so adamant against all the previous evidence. Is it not sufficient enough to prove that cheating occurs in FFXIV?

The only part of the video of Xeem's that is arguably cheating is Splatoon.

Don't worry, I'm here to help clear up this confusion you're having.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOKItaf2khM
0:07 Cheats telegraphing various mechanics before they happen.
(I am assuming you have never done that Ultimate raid since those graphics are not displayed under normal fair gameplay circumstances.)

https://youtu.be/mEqrVCBBYCQ?t=13
0:13 Speed hacking. Kind of an obvious cheat here.

https://youtu.be/skO4Hucmlvo?t=444
7:24 Teleports under the map and becomes invulnerable to all damage while stalling the objective.

https://youtu.be/skO4Hucmlvo?t=519
8:42 Self explanatory here. But during the whole video you can see them flying around. You don't need to be an expert at pvp to know this is blatant cheating.

https://youtu.be/eExsRph2Fqg?t=40
0:40 A radar cheat mini map interface displaying every mechanic and how it will resolve. That is, well, cheating. Unless you have a more fitting term for such behavior?

By the way I'm not here to argue with anyone like you wrote earlier. This is cheating as defined in the ToS and by the game developers. Your notion of what a cheat is or is not doesn't matter.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by causality:

0:07 Cheats telegraphing various mechanics before they happen.
(I am assuming you have never done that Ultimate raid since those graphics are not displayed under normal fair gameplay circumstances.)

Like I said, that's Splatoon. And the last one I think is Boss Mod? I dunno.

You are purposefully grabbing the most extreme examples possible in order to fit your narrative and connect the dots from someone asking about a DPS meter to somehow cheating an entire instance.

What's next? You going to try to say someone who uses a body mod is also hacking instances?

[causality]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Originally posted by causality:

0:07 Cheats telegraphing various mechanics before they happen.
(I am assuming you have never done that Ultimate raid since those graphics are not displayed under normal fair gameplay circumstances.)

Like I said, that's Splatoon. And the last one I think is Boss Mod? I dunno.

You are purposefully grabbing the most extreme examples possible in order to fit your narrative and connect the dots from someone asking about a DPS meter to somehow cheating an entire instance.

What's next? You going to try to say someone who uses a body mod is also hacking instances?

You can't keep your trolling up for much longer now that you're in this corner.
https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU?t=129

"As I have mentioned previously, the terms of service for FINAL FANTASY XIV state that the use of third-party tools is strictly prohibited. This has always been the case and will continue to be so, and unless announced otherwise, there are no plans to enact any changes."
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/436dce7bd078c914009957f2221c13e6a5cb497d

"As stated in the terms of service for FINAL FANTASY XIV: the use of third-party tools is strictly prohibited. Players who are determined to be using third-party tools will have their accounts suspended, or permanently banned for repeat offenses."
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547

edit: I think you called those cheats Splatoon and Boss Mod? You seem well invested on what they are and what they do. Wait, do you seriously think a cheat like is normal and not cheating?

[Stormy Dawn]

And despite the dozens of times you have posted that on the forum, none of us care. It's basically Yoshi-P reciting legalese because it is the official stance the company has chosen to take. However, nothing will ever come of people using plug-ins or add-ons as long as they don't directly incur Square Enix' wrath by discussing them publicly or using them as tools to insult or harass other players.

Yoshi-P can't just come out and say "we'll turn a blind eye as long as you aren't stupid" because he's not allowed to, but he has tried to make it as obvious as possible to read between the lines to assuage those mod users that it is fine as long as they keep it to themselves. And no amount of you regurgitating that shlock is going to change that.

Originally posted by causality:

edit: I think you called those cheats Splatoon and Boss Mod? You seem well invested on what they are and what they do. Wait, do you seriously think a cheat like is normal and not cheating? :lunar2019deadpanpig:

Personally? Yeah they are. Though I question the effectiveness of Splatoon because the handful of times I've seen videos of it's use the shear ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the screen makes me question it's usefulness. Pretty sure I'd just die more often if I had that much on my screen.

I don't think any of the zoom hacks are; if for no other reason than the fact you can reasonably do the same thing with an ultrawide monitor. Plus being able to see more of the arena doesn't really given you an advantage. You still have to know how to resolve a mechanic. Just because you can see everywhere there is to move, doesn't mean you know when and where it is safe to do so.

[causality]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

he has tried to make it as obvious as possible to read between the lines to assuage those mod users that it is fine as long as they keep it to themselves.

Putting words in Yoshi P's mouth to fit your own unique narrative is kind of weird and insulting to Yoshida san when he has said numerous times in a very easy to understand manner that he is against it but okay. you do you. Did you miss the part where he wrote this too?

"The ultimate raid series is the most difficult battle content within FFXIV, and we release this content after testing that it can be cleared without the use of any third-party tools. However, if the presumption is that this content will be tackled and cleared with the use of third-party tools, then any reason to develop high-difficulty battle content seems to be lost. It’s very difficult for me to understand as a gamer what the meaning behind using numerous third-party tools to compete to clear first would be." -Naoki Yoshida, FINAL FANTASY XIV Producer & Director

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Originally posted by causality:

edit: I think you called those cheats Splatoon and Boss Mod? You seem well invested on what they are and what they do. Wait, do you seriously think a cheat like is normal and not cheating?

Personally? Yeah they are.

My bad that was kind of a loaded question since your personal opinion is irrelevant here and people have been banned (on stream) for using those cheat mods you listed because, well, they breach the ToS. You went from "cheats don't exist show proof lol" to "it's not cheating because I said so!"

Anyway if that's all you have left I guess we're done here.

[Stormy Dawn]

I'm not putting words in Yoshi-P-s mouth. I just stated why he says the things he says. He isn't allowed to express any other opinions on the matter. But it is obvious to anyone with two functioning brain cells they can rub together, that the developers are content to ignore mod use so long as it isn't destructive in any capacity.

I never said cheating didn't exist. Just that you are grossly exaggerating how prevalent and damning to the community they are.

There are not hundreds of videos or instances of cheating in this game, and I argue many of the "cheats" people claim in this game are from gamebreaking or ruining the experience for anyone else, and barely, if at all, give any tangible advantages.

[Miyu]

Originally posted by causality:

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

The only part of the video of Xeem's that is arguably cheating is Splatoon.

Don't worry, I'm here to help clear up this confusion you're having.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOKItaf2khM
0:07 Cheats telegraphing various mechanics before they happen.
(I am assuming you have never done that Ultimate raid since those graphics are not displayed under normal fair gameplay circumstances.)

https://youtu.be/mEqrVCBBYCQ?t=13
0:13 Speed hacking. Kind of an obvious cheat here.

https://youtu.be/skO4Hucmlvo?t=444
7:24 Teleports under the map and becomes invulnerable to all damage while stalling the objective.

https://youtu.be/skO4Hucmlvo?t=519
8:42 Self explanatory here. But during the whole video you can see them flying around. You don't need to be an expert at pvp to know this is blatant cheating.

https://youtu.be/eExsRph2Fqg?t=40
0:40 A radar cheat mini map interface displaying every mechanic and how it will resolve. That is, well, cheating. Unless you have a more fitting term for such behavior? :cuphead:

By the way I'm not here to argue with anyone like you wrote earlier. This is cheating as defined in the ToS and by the game developers. Your notion of what a cheat is or is not doesn't matter. :lunar2019piginablanket:

Never thought I would agree with causality.

And also pulling out the camera with zoom hack is cheating. If you have a normal monitor vs someone who uses zoom hack, they have an advantage. A minor one, but one.
If you want legal zoom hack, use a widescreen monitor, Xeems had a video about that too.

[Judeo-communism]

Originally posted by Miyu:

Never thought I would agree with causality.

His argument is "cheating is extremely common so no one should ever be allowed to use parsers/DPS meters" so no I don't think you actually agree with him. The reality is cheating is incredibly rare and he's just bad at the game, so he doesn't want us to see his low DPS when we're parsing. He doesn't want the responsibility of needing to improve and the shame of being the cause of his group's enrages. He doesn't like that we can look up his fflogs when he joins party finder and kick him since he consistently performs poorly. He wants us to carry him without us knowing that we are so he can feel less bad about him self.

You don't agree with him. He is wrong and immoral.

[Miyu]

Originally posted by Judeo-communism:

Originally posted by Miyu:

Never thought I would agree with causality.

His argument is "cheating is extremely common so no one should ever be allowed to use parsers/DPS meters" so no I don't think you actually agree with him. The reality is cheating is incredibly rare and he's just bad at the game, so he doesn't want us to see his low DPS when we're parsing. He doesn't want the responsibility of needing to improve and the shame of being the cause of his group's enrages. He doesn't like that we can look up his fflogs when he joins party finder and kick him since he consistently performs poorly. He wants us to carry him without us knowing that we are so he can feel less bad about him self.

You don't agree with him. He is wrong and immoral.

Well we have exchanged a few times in the FF steam forums and from what I've gathered, I don't think they're a bad player.
Also, for a dps meter I don't really care. But it does go against TOS.
But for anything else, like zoom hacks or splatoon or whatever its name is, yea those are cheats and we literally cannot know how many people are using them.
And casuality is right, they all go against TOS.

[Judeo-communism]

Originally posted by Miyu:

Originally posted by Judeo-communism:

His argument is "cheating is extremely common so no one should ever be allowed to use parsers/DPS meters" so no I don't think you actually agree with him. The reality is cheating is incredibly rare and he's just bad at the game, so he doesn't want us to see his low DPS when we're parsing. He doesn't want the responsibility of needing to improve and the shame of being the cause of his group's enrages. He doesn't like that we can look up his fflogs when he joins party finder and kick him since he consistently performs poorly. He wants us to carry him without us knowing that we are so he can feel less bad about him self.

You don't agree with him. He is wrong and immoral.

Well we have exchanged a few times in the FF steam forums and from what I've gathered, I don't think they're a bad player.
Also, for a dps meter I don't really care. But it does go against TOS.
But for anything else, like zoom hacks or splatoon or whatever its name is, yea those are cheats and we literally cannot know how many people are using them.
And casuality is right, they all go against TOS.

TOS doesn't dictate morality of what is right or wrong. They have to put them against TOS since they won't make their own official one, but they don't enforce it at all and are completely fine with you using them, just not abusing them.

Zoom hacks, splatoon or whatever are so rare that they're almost non-existent. No one you meet in the game will ever be using them, and they're quite easy to find and ban silently behind the scenes. There was even an instance where a guy used one such zoom hack to place waypoint markers in a fight that normally would've been impossible otherwise, and he was tracked down and banned publicly on the front page of the Lodestone too. Hacking is not a thing in this game, and anyone making such a strong case that it is only has ulterior motives to cover themselves and their own immorality. If some YouTube video says otherwise, then they're making the video to for a knee jerk emotional reaction to get views and popularity. It's not truth and does not represent reality of this game.

[Havok]

Originally posted by Judeo-communism:

Hacking is not a thing in this game, and anyone making such a strong case that it is only has ulterior motives to cover themselves and their own immorality.

Unfortunately, it is very much a thing. I disagree with your statement, as I use none of these, but based on like, a few minutes research, since you name dropped some of them... like him or not, lets just take a look at 0:09 of this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOKItaf2khM

What, at all, in that frame, screams to you that "Hacking is not a thing in this game". It very much is, and I don't even have a reason to care what people do or do not with their game.

Just in 1 frame of a video, you see upcoming mechanics, areas of impact, tools telling you what to do, and the list goes on