About DPS meter

[𝕯𝖏𝖔𝖓𝖎]

is it dansgerous to use it if you not talk about it in game ? I use it in a lot of MMo for myself. And i heard that Square Enix ban user for that. What is your feedback ?

[Rhyagelle]

Yes, they can and have banned people for using certain mods. My suggestion? Don't do it. This isn't World of Warcraft, and that sort of thing is frowned upon by the majority of the community, and Yoshida.

If you do...use at your own risk.

[𝕯𝖏𝖔𝖓𝖎]

Originally posted by Rhyagelle:

Yes, they can and have banned people for using certain mods. My suggestion? Don't do it. This isn't World of Warcraft, and that sort of thing is frowned upon by the majority of the community, and Yoshida.

If you do...use at your own risk.

thx for awnser, indeed i read that if you are not discreet about it you will be banned, but if i don't talk about it in game is it really risky ?

[FreshMint]

Originally posted by Djoni:

thx for awnser, indeed i read that if you are not discreet about it you will be banned, but if i don't talk about it in game is it really risky ?

Using third party plugins in videos is technically always risky

GMs have handed out bans in the bast for using plugins of various kinds, but more often than not these were cases of users that have been open about using them.

As with most other taboo topics you can technically talk about them ingame within groups you trust but if someone reports you then you can be in trouble pretty quickly, and there's no telling if bans have been handed out regardless of it being reported, so again: it's totally at your own risk.

But now for the correct answer to this; Fortunately DPS meters aren't really that important for this game since there's a general "so long as we progress" mentality especially outside of high-end content.
If you need to know if your dps is up to speed for high end content you can look at Stone Sky Sea, which has dummies with their HP tweaked dephending on the (content-based) setting you pick and your current job, so that you can tell if your DPS is 'good enough'.

[Havok]

Youre going to hear from 3 camps.
1. No, all plugins bad.
2. Meh, don't talk about it and youre fine.
3. Do whatever, just don't cheat.

Firstly, if you would even consider, in the slightest possibility, about shaming someone because of their dps/healing output, don't even bother. That is very much a bannable offense, and the entire reason the team at SQE doesn't want damage meters.

The entire mindset of addons is "don't talk about it, in game, ever, and you will be fine". And while that, theoretically is the mindset, it still doesn't discredit the fact that you are breaking TOS by using it, and as such, can and will be subject to a bannable offense.

Now, SQE, based on the past, has no plans, nor desires, to incorporate a server side check to see if youre running a modified client. Therefore, they have no way to officially know that you are running something, other than you exposing yourself.

Finally, if you really have a need to parse yourself on barebones content, which, is designed to be easy, then no, you don't need it. You don't need to see how you stack up against others, since the party list already shows threat level as is, and shows who is doing more damage anyway.

The only reason why you should feel the need to run a meter, is to analyze yourself, and, if you are in a raid group. Even then, its not exactly useful what funny numbers youre doing, its more useful to see the timelines and where you (or others, though you should still never shame someone for it, its just more educational and how to be a better teammate) are messing up with rotations, stacks and other things to correct about your general gameplay.

The only time users have been banned for running meters or addons is 1/2 scenarios.
1. They stream themselves doing it, which, is just idiotic. Idc if youre a world first progger or not, best of the best. Still idiotic.
2. They openly shame/talk about it in game.

It still makes me wonder why people who have Mare Lamentorum in their search info haven't been banned, since its just a giant sign that says "look at me, i modded my game".

Use at your own risk, don't shame people, use it for educational purposes, don't talk about it in game, ensure its accepted in your static environment, you'll be fine, if you really want to use it.

However, the official stance is, no, don't. Welcome to Fight Club.

Also, fwiw, this isn't WOW. If there is, an ingame chat log, of someone denying you ability to do content because you don't do enough damage, that s*** will get you banned. Fast. In WOW, its commonly accepted that, if youre not pumping, you can and will get kicked/shunned for your dps. Here, that gets you banned.

[Rhyagelle]

Originally posted by Djoni:

Originally posted by Rhyagelle:

Yes, they can and have banned people for using certain mods. My suggestion? Don't do it. This isn't World of Warcraft, and that sort of thing is frowned upon by the majority of the community, and Yoshida.

If you do...use at your own risk.

thx for awnser, indeed i read that if you are not discreet about it you will be banned, but if i don't talk about it in game is it really risky ?

Yes, it is still risky, even if you don't stream it or talk about it. You are intentionally breaking TOS and impacting the quality of the game for others who do not consent to your alteration or additions to the base game.

You need to weigh the importance of a meter that means nothing in this game against your account. People cannot offer any other advice other than "use at your own risk".

[Giganx]

If you don't mention that you're using it in-game and don't record yourself using then SE has literally no way to know what other applications you're running while you play.

It's only risky if you don't trust yourself not to blurt it out in chat, or if you're recording and posting your gameplay.

[Sakhari]

Originally posted by Djoni:

thx for awnser, indeed i read that if you are not discreet about it you will be banned, but if i don't talk about it in game is it really risky ?

Just to echo what's already been said, as long as you're not advertising or harassing other players, then no. It isn't.

SE doesn't have spooks actively looking for players who are quietly using plugins so as long as you're not causing trouble with other players using information you shouldn't have access to, nobody is going to care.

[SynC[+]]

In short, you can run it safely to a certain degree as long as you don't break the self restraining rules below

- Never stream or posts screenshot showing yourself with the meters
- Never talk about using it or promoting usage of it in game even with your "closest friends" since chats are probably logged
- Never brag or discuss your/your teammate's performance based on data that can be gathered from said plugin

lastly the most important point I quote from a member here that posted earlier (which I guess probably attributes to the majority of said bans)

Originally posted by Havok:

Firstly, if you would even consider, in the slightest possibility, about shaming someone because of their dps/healing output, don't even bother. That is very much a bannable offense, and the entire reason the team at SQE doesn't want damage meters.

The entire mindset of addons is "don't talk about it, in game, ever, and you will be fine". And while that, theoretically is the mindset, it still doesn't discredit the fact that you are breaking TOS by using it, and as such, can and will be subject to a bannable offense.

[The Rizzler]

Originally posted by Djoni:

is it dansgerous to use it if you not talk about it in game ? I use it in a lot of MMo for myself. And i heard that Square Enix ban user for that. What is your feedback ?

You will be fine Just don't talk about it in game

And don't be a ♥♥♥♥ about it

[Integrity]

Many people use it. It's perfectly safe if you don't talk about it or stream. Technically it is against ToS to use any third party but they really only get you if you are harassing someone with it.

[AH-1 Cobra]

Originally posted by Djoni:

is it dansgerous to use it if you not talk about it in game ? I use it in a lot of MMo for myself. And i heard that Square Enix ban user for that. What is your feedback ?

As long as you don't talk about it, there's no way them or anyone else can know you're using it, so use discretion.

[Holmgäng]

Originally posted by Djoni:

is it dansgerous to use it if you not talk about it in game ? I use it in a lot of MMo for myself. And i heard that Square Enix ban user for that. What is your feedback ?

They dont ban unless you are going around telliing everyone about it, sm ppl can report you.
You can use most stuff without problem, even party finders speak about them public (AM) and no problem

[Integrity]

Originally posted by Protocol:

They dont ban unless you are going around telliing everyone about it, sm ppl can report you.
You can use most stuff without problem, even party finders speak about them public (AM) and no problem

You can't actually say Auto Markers, but saying "AM" is fine.

[causality]

I'll refrain from erroneously putting words in the developer's mouth like other people are currently doing here and post this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/436dce7bd078c914009957f2221c13e6a5cb497d

A lot of words from some people with no meaning.

[hagare]

don't ask don't tell.
Keep it to yourself, and don't share screen where it's shown.
it should be fine.