so basically dawntrail is going to be like this

[Raiden - In Flames 🎵]

story
dungeon
raid
RP

then it repeats itself.
when will they try something new?
when will new systems be implemented(this doesn't have to be part of the main game)
when will jobs be unique, atm if you pick a dps you dps that's all you do, if we look at FF11 DPS jobs offers alot more than just damage, same with tank and healer jobs.
when will gear matter i wonder if everything is perfectly balanced via sync?
just allow us to skip the gearing process at this point lmao.
when will they actually look into a world revamp?
imagine going through the world and then at the end of endwalker you have two options RP in limsa/stare at your screen or do hunts.

seriously the only time i have fun in the game is playing blue mage.
i wish they would release a eureka type patch where you have broken/extremely fun jobs like in FF11 but in FF14 such as the blue mage.

i also do not like yoshi-p's approach to "if you are feeling done with the game you can come back later" but if i come back later and do all the things in a day i have 29 days of where my sub will be wasted. there really need to be an overwhelming amount of optional content that is fun to do. preferably if it had some fun skill tree mechanics or a dungeon where your abilities evolve like in a rouglelite. (elder scrolls is doing this)

as a long time fan i want something brand new and exciting but instead they feed us the same kind of roller coasters each expansion.

[Sunny]

引用自 Zordiark Darkeater：

Also lets not defend Multi million/billion corporate companies Shall we...

I don't want the game to change for the sake of change. I like the formula, and I like it being predictable. I was relieved when they promised 10 more years of the same pattern. I don't care about SE --- you're talking about disrupting my entertainment because you're bored with it. The only context I care about SE at all is that I wish for them to continue to exist and make money with this game so that I can continue playing it.

I do feel positive human feelings regarding YoshiP and Soken, and I do feel like they're good folks, but I don't think either of them are in any danger for getting their feelings hurt from a Steam forum, so they don't need me to stick up for them.

And if it's been answered plenty of times, do please quote one single post from this thread with said answer. "something different because different" isn't a concrete example. We have had a list of new and innovative things that they have added over the years on top of the basic forumula (ie: what you're asking for with 'change for the sake of change'), so where's the examples of what you want on top of that? We're GETTING a Eureka-like new thing.

引用自 TerunagaTV：

it's all instanced content with a timer on it...

And? Is that somehow not content?

[Zordiark Darkeater]

引用自 Sunny：

引用自 Zordiark Darkeater：

Also lets not defend Multi million/billion corporate companies Shall we...

I don't want the game to change for the sake of change. I like the formula, and I like it being predictable. I was relieved when they promised 10 more years of the same pattern. I don't care about SE --- you're talking about disrupting my entertainment because you're bored with it. The only context I care about SE at all is that I wish for them to continue to exist and make money with this game so that I can continue playing it.

I do feel positive human feelings regarding YoshiP and Soken, and I do feel like they're good folks, but I don't think either of them are in any danger for getting their feelings hurt from a Steam forum, so they don't need me to stick up for them.

And if it's been answered plenty of times, do please quote one single post from this thread with said answer. "something different because different" isn't a concrete example. We have had a list of new and innovative things that they have added over the years on top of the basic forumula (ie: what you're asking for with 'change for the sake of change'), so where's the examples of what you want on top of that? We're GETTING a Eureka-like new thing.

引用自 TerunagaTV：

it's all instanced content with a timer on it...

And? Is that somehow not content?

You guys seriously need to stop and read what people saying and want.

Your main FORMULA won't really change.

What most players want is something else something more on TOP of the main predictable things that allways come and you like.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

引用自 ランス：

引用自 TerunagaTV：

it's all instanced content with a timer on it...

Welcome to modern MMO's where the majority of content is instanced?

Instanced content is Fine.
Timed content is just outright bad... most of the time when MMO devs put timers on "Fun" stuff it just outright annoying and fun killing..

In FFxiv these timers are not even real timers. they just there to kick AFK ers if they AFk for like 2+ hours or something.

they are extremely long its just there to keep the instances fresh.

[Sunny]

引用自 Sunny：

where's the examples of what you want on top of that? We're GETTING a Eureka-like new thing.

引用自 Zordiark Darkeater：

What most players want is something else something more on TOP of the main predictable things that allways come and you like.

Such as...?

Also, I don't think we're the ones who need to read, my dude. This is the first few lines of the OP (which is complaining specifically about the formula):

story
dungeon
raid
RP

then it repeats itself.
when will they try something new?

[Raiden - In Flames 🎵]

引用自 ランス：

引用自 Zordiark Darkeater：

yet they keep adding new stuff into the game so this is untrue.

Island sanctuary ?
The new Criterion dungeon systems ?

Sadly they are waaay too little and small in the overal grand scheme of things.

Palace of the dead.
Eureka.
Diadem.
Bozja.
Island Sanctuary.
Criterion dungeons.

They experiment with new type of content every expansion.

and none of those content gets updated later on in later expansions.

[Kamulop]

there is nothing to change though, what you mentioned is only a small fraction of the game, story, dungeons, trials and raids are the core content we see every expansion, but what about other stuff they added? diadem, eureka, bozjan southern front, variant/criterion dungeons, island sanctuary. how is that not innovating?

[Zordiark Darkeater]

引用自 ランス：

引用自 Zordiark Darkeater：

Instanced content is Fine.
Timed content is just outright bad... most of the time when MMO devs put timers on "Fun" stuff it just outright annoying and fun killing..

In FFxiv these timers are not even real timers. they just there to kick AFK ers if they AFk for like 2+ hours or something.

they are extremely long its just there to keep the instances fresh.

The timers are to keep instances from staying open too long and to remove afkers as the instances are ran on their own servers. Bozja and Eureka are like 3.5 hour timers.... Oh no, you have to re-instance after nearly 4 hours. The horror.

If your dungeon runs the entire 90 minutes I have concerns. Raids....most people only prog for about 2 hours so they have to re-enter the instance like 1 time....big whoop.

Half the time I forget the timer even exists. Could they remove them? Probably. Will they? No, cuz people will absolutely afk in them. Just look at how many people get stuck in their houses or cant even enter their houses because so many people would afk in the house instances during expansion launch.

Wel im not sure if you noticed but to be sure i gonna say it:
im fine with the "timers and timed" content in FFxiv.
As i said its just there for safe keeping and they are extremely long.

[Slayer]

Another lil kiddo whine topic. Such a pathetic take tp.

[Fistraiser]

you forgot to mention the part where they dumb down dragoon and remove most of the ogcds and turn it into a jump 3 button combo.i guarantee the 2 current 3 button combos get turned into 1 and the jumps become a second 3 button combo during Geirskogul buff which is needed to proc star diver.i can 100% guarantee thats what they will do.

[Raiden - In Flames 🎵]

引用自 Fistraiser：

you forgot to mention the part where they dumb down dragoon and remove most of the ogcds and turn it into a jump 3 button combo.i guarantee the 2 current 3 button combos get turned into 1 and the jumps become a second 3 button combo during Geirskogul buff which is needed to proc star diver.i can 100% guarantee thats what they will do.

to be fair they need to condense the classes a bit with new abilities but i get what you are saying!

[Zordiark Darkeater]

引用自 TerunagaTV：

引用自 Fistraiser：

you forgot to mention the part where they dumb down dragoon and remove most of the ogcds and turn it into a jump 3 button combo.i guarantee the 2 current 3 button combos get turned into 1 and the jumps become a second 3 button combo during Geirskogul buff which is needed to proc star diver.i can 100% guarantee thats what they will do.

to be fair they need to condense the classes a bit with new abilities but i get what you are saying!

Yeah. most Jobs/classes are waaaay overbloated with abilities that could be easily build into other abilities without losing identity.
And its needed to be done if we want more new Abilities in the following expansions.

[Nyx]

引用自 TerunagaTV：

引用自 Sunny：

this is probably not going to happen, as we've been promised more of the same

i miss the days when square enix would innovate...

They did that in XVI and half the fanbase hates the game just for that.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

引用自 Metallinatus：

引用自 TerunagaTV：

i miss the days when square enix would innovate...

They did that in XVI and half the fanbase hates the game just for that.

Does not mater.
That half of the fanbase got replaced by New fans now. Becasue it ended up great.
Also allot of the Fanbase is getting slowly replaced by a more modern one.
Most of them are getting old and still stuck in the old turn based gameplay.

[galacticcorgi]

MMOs live and die by reliably doing the same thing. Especially sub MMOs. And every time they try what people ask of them, they then turn around and complain.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

引用自 galacticcorgi：

MMOs live and die by reliably doing the same thing. Especially sub MMOs. And every time they try what people ask of them, they then turn around and complain.

The prob is when game Companies do what people ask them to do, they do it in a halfassed really bad way.
Or they modify it in a way that it defeats the porpuse of having that change.

Almost every single time.