I love gameplay but i hate msq

[UIE First Citizen]

I am trying this game but dear god I just hate msq.
The story is also not my cup of tea.
When I am playing lotro/wow i do not have to do all the content from all previous expansions to enter the newest one in ffxiv i need to.
I just hate it. On top of that it isn't fully voiced.
If every msq was fully voiced i would be engaged in the story like when I am playing eso or swtor. I can get into them because they have nice voice actors, the story is rather quick, not dragging for too long and there is purpose about every action, thing you do there.
I have to admit after a while story in swtor drags and it is on rails like here you can still get invested in it
I play the story to the end of shadowbringers and while the story itself is getting better the quest design doesn't really improve. It is still talk to this npc then talk to that npc on the other side of the map then get back here.
At least when I am playing wow they dissolve this type of questing after vanilla wow, ever since the burning crusade quest given in one area was to be done in that area and not on the end of the zone.
When i have access to lvl 50/60/70/80/90 dungeons I enjoy them deeply, same goes for alliance raids for ARR and normals raids for HW.
On the other hands the leveling dungeons really bore me.
I just feel the need to buy a story skip.
I enjoy beast tribe quest, wonderful trails etc.
No mmo is perfect, in wow I hate new character models, especially the Blood Elves rework.
But msq prevents me from playing the game.

[Fallaner, the Writer Eternal]

Escrito originalmente por Mr Fred:

Escrito originalmente por Miyu:

You cannot write down a story because of quest design..
Also I think people who have problems with fetch quests just don't know how games work.

I dont have antyhing against fetch quest , I have everything against fetch quest that lead into pointless cutscene, learn the not so subtle difference...

The cutscenes are very rarely pointless, especially once you get past ARR. They are usually there to, you know... tell the story.

The aforementioned quotes I mentioned from Omega, are from a quest where all you do is "Run around talking to people with Omega and Alpha in tow". Before that, we had "The Burdens we Bear" in Heavensward, which is... running around talking to people. Which plenty of people have done, and plenty of people enjoyed it.

Then there's the Doman Enclave... which another bunch of people enjoyed, and it was just "Sell stuff, run to person and talk to them, wait a week, do it again" with cutscenes sprinkled in.

I think you're just not part of this game's demographic.

Additionally, your examples, unless listed in other threads were... "Any book" and "Your microwave's manual". The first one is too vague to be worth anything as an example. It can encompass anything from "Twilight" to I dunno... "A Song of Ice and Fire" or whatever the heck people consider a popular wide-renowned book. The latter... is just flat out not trying to tell a story, it's just trying to give you information in a straightforward manner, and thus isn't eligible for having a better story.

[Doonix]

Escrito originalmente por Mr Fred:

Escrito originalmente por Miyu:

You cannot write down a story because of quest design..
Also I think people who have problems with fetch quests just don't know how games work.

I dont have antyhing against fetch quest , I have everything against fetch quest that lead into pointless cutscene, learn the not so subtle difference...

no book recommendations yet?

[Dozer]

oh my god its so simple if you dont like the story dont play the damn story or just buy story skip
no need to put up entire damn essays for this ♥♥♥♥ Lmao

[galacticcorgi]

Escrito originalmente por Fallaner, the Writer Eternal:

Escrito originalmente por galacticcorgi:

Who the eff said that last bit about optimism and ♥♥♥♥? The world is a hellish nightmare, we need more stories of hope through horrible suffering--because a lot of people NEED to keep clinging to hope or it'll kill them.

As in, who wrote the paragraph I quoted?

Omega. Omega did, in FFXIV, during their sidequest in EW, with him trying to understand the decision the Omicron's leader made, that you learn about at the end of EW. It's followed by:

"And still, I fail to understand you, Sir. Your 'heart' still confuses me. Was termination of everything the correct one? How did you arrive at that conclusion? It defies all my attempts at reasoning. But I was designed to evolve. If I continue to learn, the probability that I eventually comprehend this phenomenon is greater than zero. So I will put your decision to the side for now... and continue my existence upon this distant star. As I dwell among these many life-forms, so will I continue to piece together the complete shape of their mortal hearts. I must document my progress..."

Omega says it... BECAUSE Omega doesn't understand it. From a pure perspective of logic, simply telling people "I hope your days are filled with joy" will do nothing. From an emotional perspective, it can absolutely help people to feel better.

Oh good, I'd thought that was outside the game and some IDIOT said it. dfgsgkjllgjksd Instead it's a bit of narrative with a point. (I haven't done that yet can you tell.)

[tap and die]

I can't tell if people here hate the game, but too addicted to actually quit.

[rebeccabird42]

I actually relate to this. But to be clear, the story itself is not bad. But the pacing and some of the developer specific quirks get on my nerves, and it seemed to reach a major boiling point for me with this expac specifically, where I actually just plain quit right after finally finishing the bloody msq and just feeling so completely tired of it.

The story isn't as much a issue as how they deliver that story to me. By the halfway point I'm just so DONE. I'm ready to move on. When I got done my friend wanted to do dailies. He signed us up for levelling. It was Copperbell. I just broke. Left the instance. Logged out. Unsubbed. That was months ago now.

When I was in combat, at least lvl 60 and up content, especially when healing or tanking, I was in the zone. I was thrilled and engaged. I MIGHT try again in Dawntrail. But if I did I'd buy a skip, just thinking about slogging through the in between story makes me feel bored. Knowing my luck if I did the first DT MSQ is my friends oddly gesticulating in a rambling needlessy dramatic conversation, making me stop to teleport across the world for a two sentence convo then go back and resume the other convo, (why) then do the dumb follow segment, probably a battle where I'm forced to play as some other character than my own (why) against damage sponges, then take a breather from that and end up back in copperbell or LAB with half or less of my kit.

Fun.

Edit: I was on consoles before and would have to rebuy the whole ass game again to transfer so that may stop that by itself.

[Miyu]

Escrito originalmente por rebeccabird42:

I actually relate to this. But to be clear, the story itself is not bad. But the pacing and some of the developer specific quirks get on my nerves, and it seemed to reach a major boiling point for me with this expac specifically, where I actually just plain quit right after finally finishing the bloody msq and just feeling so completely tired of it.

The story isn't as much a issue as how they deliver that story to me. By the halfway point I'm just so DONE. I'm ready to move on. When I got done my friend wanted to do dailies. He signed us up for levelling. It was Copperbell. I just broke. Left the instance. Logged out. Unsubbed. That was months ago now.

When I was in combat, at least lvl 60 and up content, especially when healing or tanking, I was in the zone. I was thrilled and engaged. I MIGHT try again in Dawntrail. But if I did I'd buy a skip, just thinking about slogging through the in between story makes me feel bored. Knowing my luck if I did the first DT MSQ is my friends oddly gesticulating in a rambling needlessy dramatic conversation, making me stop to teleport across the world for a two sentence convo then go back and resume the other convo, (why) then do the dumb follow segment, probably a battle where I'm forced to play as some other character than my own (why) against damage sponges, then take a breather from that and end up back in copperbell or LAB with half or less of my kit.

Fun.

Edit: I was on consoles before and would have to rebuy the whole ass game again to transfer so that may stop that by itself.

Well.. those are valid and subjective opinions to have against the game.
But those are subjective opinions. At the end of the day, it is a you issue.
Also it just sounds like you got burned out for some reason. It can happen. But that ain't the game's fault either.

[DoctorDarling]

I am new and I thought I was done with ARR but I'm in like... post-ARR but still ARR? I guess? Im burning out ont he MSQ pretty hard but I heard it gets better. I was enjoying it then not enjoying it... it feels very filler right now

[snickii]

Don't listen to the People that say "It's 90% Story in this Game"
There is so much more, I rushed the Story and played 200 hours Raids/Dungeons and Gold Saucer.
Later I will try other Jobs maybe. This Missions are cool too with your team.


I played July last time, maybe I will go in in the next days again

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

At the end of the day its simple as a loaf of bread. Final Fantasy since 1989 is KNOWN for its capturing unique story lines.

People have played FF for 34 years. There are Cult status games like FF7, FF9, FF10 and others because of their stories.

They made XIV to cater TO those people, thennnnn you get normies who play wow and see XIV as “another mmo” getting frustrated with story bc they never played FF in their life so they missing the point and focus of this game, like EVERY OTHER FF its no different. 1989 or 2014 this is Story driven game.

Play Runescape, Wow or Guild2 if you want pure grind driven games.

This is geared towards Final Fantasy fans not sweaty raid lords, yes there is that element in the game but it takes a 3rd seat. Like a child can understand

[Doonix]

Escrito originalmente por ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ:

At the end of the day its simple as a loaf of bread. Final Fantasy since 1989 is KNOWN for its capturing unique story lines.

People have played FF for 34 years. There are Cult status games like FF7, FF9, FF10 and others because of their stories.

They made XIV to cater TO those people, thennnnn you get normies who play wow and see XIV as “another mmo” getting frustrated with story bc they never played FF in their life so they missing the point and focus of this game, like EVERY OTHER FF its no different. 1989 or 2014 this is Story driven game.

Play Runescape, Wow or Guild2 if you want pure grind driven games.

This is geared towards Final Fantasy fans not sweaty raid lords, yes there is that element in the game but it takes a 3rd seat. Like a child can understand

People completely ignore the "final fantasy" in the title, they only see the "online" and already think it's perfect for them.
I dont remember seeing any final fantasy fan complain about this one. Also, you can search for every Final Fantasy player review around the internet, they always talk good things about ff14, some of them even say this one can probably be the best

imo, I think Square Enix right now knows exactly what Final Fantasy fans likes in the game. So, if final fantasy players are satisfied, thats enough for SE.

Players from other mmo's when they come to FF14 simply want to disappear with the content that pleases players from other final fantasy games. And that's exactly why Square Enix completely ignores these people

[Mr Fred]

Funny that you'd take a jab at "normies" when the last half decent FF title was 9... X and onward were designed exactly for that crowd...

The only good part of MSQ are references to the good ones like 1,4 and 6. Thanks for making me laugh, YOU are exactly what you are denouncing as far as I'm concerned.

Please show us on the doll where the big bad evil "sweaty raid lords" touched you... sound like someone that got filtered HARD.

[Doonix]

Escrito originalmente por Mr Fred:

Funny that you'd take a jab at "normies" when the last half decent FF title was 9... X and onward were designed exactly for that crowd...

The only good part of MSQ are references to the good ones like 1,4 and 6. Thanks for making me laugh, YOU are exactly what you are denouncing as far as I'm concerned.

Please show us on the doll where the big bad evil "sweaty raid lords" touched you... sound like someone that got filtered HARD.

where's the book

[Mr Fred]

Escrito originalmente por Doonix:

where's the book

Considering I already told you THREE times now, for someone of your level of reading comprehension it would have to be something like Where's Waldo...

Kinda cute how you have to turn to thread derailing because you simply dont have anything relevant to say...

[Sunny]

Escrito originalmente por Mr Fred:

Escrito originalmente por Doonix:

where's the book

Considering I already told you THREE times now, for someone of your level of reading comprehension it would have to be something like Where's Waldo...

Kinda cute how you have to turn to thread derailing because you simply dont have anything relevant to say...

You have not offered a single recommendation, let alone three times. "Manual to a microwave" is in no way, shape, or form a good faith answer to the relevant question posed. What do you consider to be good storytelling, if this is so bad? One example. If you genuinely believe that an instruction manual has the required beats to form a story, well -- of course you don't like this, and everybody really ought to be ignoring your opinion.

We understand that you don't like this. I'm not sure why you're still hollering about it; is it really that hard to believe that other people have different tastes?

And that -- gasp -- story quality is *subjective*, not *objective*? Do you understand that difference?