I dunno why people say FF14 raiding is easy

[Sardorim]

I actually need to learn/know the fight and my job, as well as pay attention to tells.

Meanwhile in WoW, the addons played the Raids for me and always told me what I needed to do.

[AH-1 Cobra]

Lots of raiders use combo plugins, noclippy (lowers the impact of latency on weaving, etc), and pixelperfect (better outlines for hitboxes), and the almighty ACT.

So, it's basically just like it was in WoW with plugins, LOL. I know some people are ass mad about it, but it is what it is.

[causality]

Messaggio originale di crimsonedge11:

Lots of raiders use combo plugins, noclippy (lowers the impact of latency on weaving, etc), and pixelperfect (better outlines for hitboxes), and the almighty ACT.

Not for long fortunately. Yoshi P said he was going to 'enact countermeasures' against them.

[Sardorim]

Messaggio originale di crimsonedge11:

Lots of raiders use combo plugins, noclippy (lowers the impact of latency on weaving, etc), and pixelperfect (better outlines for hitboxes), and the almighty ACT.

So, it's basically just like it was in WoW with plugins, LOL. I know some people are ass mad about it, but it is what it is.

That's at their own risk. They can get banned here for that, in WoW that's not the case.

[MOSLEY]

Messaggio originale di causality:

Messaggio originale di crimsonedge11:

Lots of raiders use combo plugins, noclippy (lowers the impact of latency on weaving, etc), and pixelperfect (better outlines for hitboxes), and the almighty ACT.

Not for long fortunately. Yoshi P said he was going to 'enact countermeasures' against them. :lunar2019coolpig:

When and where was this said?

I’ve never heard them say anything other than “we will never implement an invasive anti-cheat”.

Messaggio originale di Sardorim:

Messaggio originale di crimsonedge11:

Lots of raiders use combo plugins, noclippy (lowers the impact of latency on weaving, etc), and pixelperfect (better outlines for hitboxes), and the almighty ACT.

So, it's basically just like it was in WoW with plugins, LOL. I know some people are ass mad about it, but it is what it is.

That's at their own risk. They can get banned here for that, in WoW that's not the case.

These plugins are completely undetectable. It’s impossible for someone to get banned for using them unless they post their gameplay somewhere.

[Stormy Dawn]

Messaggio originale di MOSLEY:

These plugins are completely undetectable. It’s impossible for someone to get banned for using them unless they post their gameplay somewhere.

Yeah. Exactly.

Unless they were to implement software that allows them to monitor you computer basically.

Which is apparently legally dubious in Japan? I don't know the details. I'm no lawyer in the United States to say nothing of Japan. There are certainly some games coming out from Japan that have different forms of anti-cheat programming, but I'm guessing it's a mucky, legally gray area that Square Enix doesn't want to mess with for the interests of this game.

[Nhisso]

LOL ok

[causality]

Messaggio originale di MOSLEY:

Messaggio originale di causality:

Not for long fortunately. Yoshi P said he was going to 'enact countermeasures' against them.

When and where was this said?

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/436dce7bd078c914009957f2221c13e6a5cb497d
"As the individual who is entrusted with full supervision over FFXIV, it is my responsibility to enact countermeasures and police the use of these tools, as well as educate people to not use these types of third-party tools--"

"As I have mentioned previously, the terms of service for FINAL FANTASY XIV state that the use of third-party tools is strictly prohibited. This has always been the case and will continue to be so, and unless announced otherwise, there are no plans to enact any changes.

I have come across posts from individuals that say things along the lines of, “Yoshida allows the use of third-party tools, so it’s fine to use them.” However, let me make it clear that I have never permitted the use of these tools. You may find information below from past posts and livestreams which outline my stance and policies surrounding third-party tools."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1TapwM4mE&t=1224s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1TapwM4mE&t=742s
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547

Messaggio originale di Tsurayu:

Messaggio originale di MOSLEY:

These plugins are completely undetectable. It’s impossible for someone to get banned for using them unless they post their gameplay somewhere.

Which is apparently legally dubious in Japan?

It's perfectly legal in Japan if the user gives their consent. Like for example, Japanese players using Steam or playing on VAC enabled servers. There's nothing even slightly dubious about it as long as consent is giving during the user agreement.

[Stormy Dawn]

Messaggio originale di causality:

It's perfectly legal in Japan if the user gives their consent. Like for example, Japanese players using Steam or playing on VAC enabled servers. There's nothing even slightly dubious about it as long as consent is giving during the user agreement. :lunar2019piginablanket:

You'll forgive me if I assume you are not an expert on international law.

[causality]

Messaggio originale di Tsurayu:

Messaggio originale di causality:

It's perfectly legal in Japan if the user gives their consent. Like for example, Japanese players using Steam or playing on VAC enabled servers. There's nothing even slightly dubious about it as long as consent is giving during the user agreement.

You'll forgive me if I assume you are not an expert on international law.

I did not think basic reading skills were held in such a high regard by the layman! Here's a question for you, can Japanese players report Steam/Valve/VAC for breaching their data privacy? Or do they comply with Japanese law?
https://www.ppc.go.jp/personalinfo/legal/leakAction/
https://store.steampowered.com/privacy_agreement/japanese/

[Sgt. Magnusson]

I raid in WoW. LFR, Normal and Heroic raiding are easy as hell. Heroic Raids are probably as hard as normal difficulty raids or trials in FFXIV. The problem in WoW is that many players are bad when it comes to mechanics and constantly die to the easiest mechanics in a fight and there's a limited number of battle rezzes available.

Raiding in WoW is more about the gear than the skill of the player.

[Meranius]

i bet the most Wow players would just die in every Raid bcause they have no addons which tell them how to move xD

[Integrity]

Messaggio originale di causality:

Why don't more top end raiders stream so we can observe their skilled gameplay? Oh, I see. They fear the hammer. :cuphead:

There's no benefit to streaming. I was in a group where no one used any add ons. Half the group were playstation players. But the raid leader decided to stop streaming because there was some famous streamer who got a suspension from talking crap about other players on stream. So we decided why even take a chance.

[Rhyagelle]

Messaggio originale di Jin-:

Messaggio originale di Rhyagelle:

FFXIV isn't easier because WOW is built in mind that you can't do something in the game without external means. How do you even get to that conclusion? In FFXIV, you do the hard content off your own back, without a cheat tool telling you what to do. Anyone who says hard core raiding in FFXIV is easy has never done any harder tier content in the game, let alone for WOW.

Most use cactbot or similar tool to hard content which is cheating. The tool tells you before and where the next aoe appears and so on. You think most of those ultimates are fair clear lol? Only one person needs to use those tools and rest can follow. How come they know the exact precise spots where is the next safe spot

"Most"? And where do you pull that from? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? This isn't WOW. The vast majority of people do not use addons because the game is perfectly playable without them, which cannot be said about WOW.

And I'm sure there are cheaters in ultimates, but you seem to be under the hilarious impression that just because someone has memorized a pattern, it must be because they used cheating to do so. You may not be able to correctly remember and follow a pattern, but not everyone is like that.

[MOSLEY]

Messaggio originale di causality:

Messaggio originale di MOSLEY:

When and where was this said?

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/436dce7bd078c914009957f2221c13e6a5cb497d
"As the individual who is entrusted with full supervision over FFXIV, it is my responsibility to enact countermeasures and police the use of these tools, as well as educate people to not use these types of third-party tools--"

"As I have mentioned previously, the terms of service for FINAL FANTASY XIV state that the use of third-party tools is strictly prohibited. This has always been the case and will continue to be so, and unless announced otherwise, there are no plans to enact any changes.

I have come across posts from individuals that say things along the lines of, “Yoshida allows the use of third-party tools, so it’s fine to use them.” However, let me make it clear that I have never permitted the use of these tools. You may find information below from past posts and livestreams which outline my stance and policies surrounding third-party tools."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1TapwM4mE&t=1224s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1TapwM4mE&t=742s
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547

Messaggio originale di Tsurayu:

Which is apparently legally dubious in Japan?

It's perfectly legal in Japan if the user gives their consent. Like for example, Japanese players using Steam or playing on VAC enabled servers. There's nothing even slightly dubious about it as long as consent is giving during the user agreement. :lunar2019piginablanket:

Right, so no change in their stance then. Still just asking people nicely to not use plugins.

[causality]

Messaggio originale di MOSLEY:

Messaggio originale di causality:

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/436dce7bd078c914009957f2221c13e6a5cb497d
"As the individual who is entrusted with full supervision over FFXIV, it is my responsibility to enact countermeasures and police the use of these tools, as well as educate people to not use these types of third-party tools--"

"As I have mentioned previously, the terms of service for FINAL FANTASY XIV state that the use of third-party tools is strictly prohibited. This has always been the case and will continue to be so, and unless announced otherwise, there are no plans to enact any changes.

I have come across posts from individuals that say things along the lines of, “Yoshida allows the use of third-party tools, so it’s fine to use them.” However, let me make it clear that I have never permitted the use of these tools. You may find information below from past posts and livestreams which outline my stance and policies surrounding third-party tools."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1TapwM4mE&t=1224s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1TapwM4mE&t=742s
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547


It's perfectly legal in Japan if the user gives their consent. Like for example, Japanese players using Steam or playing on VAC enabled servers. There's nothing even slightly dubious about it as long as consent is giving during the user agreement.

Right, so no change in their stance then. Still just asking people nicely to not use plugins.

You're free to think that. It'll be hilarious when they add it eventually and people will be like, "What happened?'
"Well we said months ago we would enact countermeasures against 3rd party tools. You were appropriately warned ahead of time on numerous occasions. Why would you think otherwise based on anecdotes from random Steam forum users who aren't involved in the development of our game?"