Should I just quit trying to raid?

[Rosalina]

I feel like savage raids and extreme trails get more and more insane with so many phases and mechanics all at once. VC dungeons are dead BEFORE release and feel even more impossible then savage raids. But the first comments to this would be "git gud". Which I would agree to.
So how do I do that? The Party finder is always empty unless its the new extremes/savages, VC dungeon finder also always empty, and It took me 1 hour to get 3 people for mount ordeals extreme. Even if I would find a group for once who wants to clear one of the older endwalker raids, it says "must have completed". And this at the weekends.

So am I just f-ed without a static and a high end ff14 addiction?
Or should I just stop trying to clear older things and focus on the new?

[The Rizzler]

Unless you're willing to no life raids are just not possible Sure the older ones can be done completely join a fc or just solo them ( Depending on which one of course)


However when it comes to end game You're not bound to make Progress you can be the best player in the entire world but When you have seven idiots It all comes down to luck if you win the pf Lottery Sure you "can" clear But it will not be consistent Some days you'll get parties that won't even get past the first phase And every sesun keith full moon You might get a party The actually knows the first 3 mechanics of a fight.

[Rosalina]

shame. It feels like the only casual thing in this game I can do is play with my subs and my garden. I mean, even expert and 24 man, 1 1/2 hour raids are a waste of time if there is no goal.
Sometimes I wonder why I even keep playing the game :/ Maybe stockholm.

[xyz]

Network - Discord / Linkshells / FC Chat / Even Novice Network - City Chat / The local RP H*es occasionally also do Raid.
Pick your job (in some case role since the different tanks/healers all have brain dead rotations either way) and practice it.
Do FOTM stuff - Unreal / Ex Trials etc. It's not great in terms of prog but it's useful.
Be willing to do what is available e.g. my old guild decided to farm the gold bird and the big red fox dog back in ShB so we did that instead of Week 1 Raid Prog.

[Minuette]

Extremes are easier especially with a group still learning. Savage raiding takes time or wait for basic party finder strategies are out and watch a guide. Just my experience though.

[Fay]

Also I see parties running old extremes synced (or even minimum item level no echo for more challenge) in the party finder most days. Sure they're outnumbered by the farm parties but they absolutely still exist.

[Drakzen]

If you can't find a static you might want to swerve doing savage.

[chipofsalt]

First point, PF isn't dead after the first couple weeks. What people don't realize is that cross DC travel has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ local raiding. Not sure which region you play on, but cross DC travel has obliterated PF raiding in crystal and primal; Aether has literal hundreds of PFs for savage during prime time. Go there.

Second, a HUGE pitfall people have with this is they get overwhelmed much like yourself and give up without even starting. Take it stepwise. You don't have to do everything all at once. Get comfortable doing your rotation and role responsibilities in current extremes, then move on to savage later.

Speaking of savage - there are myriad static recruitment discords, as well as an actual reddit for it. You can also use in-game avenues, like your FC. Find people who are similar to you (new to the raiding scene) and your goals.

The idea that you need to raid 20 hours a week to clear savage is a myth. You can raid 9 hours a week and clear in a reasonable time (~2mos) if your group is consistent.

[Rosalina]

I did not know that about PF.. Maybe I should check shiva and try finding a casual static who plays on weekends.
Thanks for all the helpfull comments, I did not expect that.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by chipofsalt:

First point, PF isn't dead after the first couple weeks. What people don't realize is that cross DC travel has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ local raiding. Not sure which region you play on, but cross DC travel has obliterated PF raiding in crystal and primal; Aether has literal hundreds of PFs for savage during prime time. Go there.

Second, a HUGE pitfall people have with this is they get overwhelmed much like yourself and give up without even starting. Take it stepwise. You don't have to do everything all at once. Get comfortable doing your rotation and role responsibilities in current extremes, then move on to savage later.

Speaking of savage - there are myriad static recruitment discords, as well as an actual reddit for it. You can also use in-game avenues, like your FC. Find people who are similar to you (new to the raiding scene) and your goals.

The idea that you need to raid 20 hours a week to clear savage is a myth. You can raid 9 hours a week and clear in a reasonable time (~2mos) if your group is consistent.

Savage is kind of dead after 2 weeks. If you're planning to play a tier in PF, it's best to either clear within the first couple weeks or not bother.

The playerbase is divided in to 2 groups. People who are in [Practice] parties and people who are in [Duty Complete] reclear parties.

With every day that passes after a new piece of content releases, more people move from practice to duty complete. The ratio of players in practice parties who are capable of clearing the content to players who are catastrophically bad at the game and will never clear because they relentlessly sandbag every group that they're in and don't even realise that they're the problem gets worse.

People know this and will either clear early or just sit the tier out if they aren't doing it in a static.

[Fay]

I joined both last tier and this tier 1-2 months late and can still clear stuff. Yeah progging the first encounter is gonna be slower than week 1-2 but it can still be done.

[Giganx]

There's a VERY small window to clear with PF, and even then it all boils down to luck. You're only 1 of 8 people, so success or failure of a PF group is completely out of your hands.

If you want to raid you really do need a static, with all the garbage that entails.

One of the best things about this game, however, is that it's the least raid focused MMO on the market. If you don't run Savage/Ultimate you're REALLY not missing anything at all. This game is built around everything but high-tier raiding.

[causality]

Some of these posts are so misinformed that it's hilarious. Open Aether or Crystal PF on prime hours and you'll see plenty of practice/clear/blind prog groups.

[Milk Training Arc]

Why not just go into the most recent content?

[chipofsalt]

Originally posted by Giganx:

There's a VERY small window to clear with PF, and even then it all boils down to luck. You're only 1 of 8 people, so success or failure of a PF group is completely out of your hands.

If you want to raid you really do need a static, with all the garbage that entails.

One of the best things about this game, however, is that it's the least raid focused MMO on the market. If you don't run Savage/Ultimate you're REALLY not missing anything at all. This game is built around everything but high-tier raiding.

This isn't true one bit. Completely misinformed. If you're on NA, go to aether around 6 pacific.

[chipofsalt]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by chipofsalt:

First point, PF isn't dead after the first couple weeks. What people don't realize is that cross DC travel has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ local raiding. Not sure which region you play on, but cross DC travel has obliterated PF raiding in crystal and primal; Aether has literal hundreds of PFs for savage during prime time. Go there.

Second, a HUGE pitfall people have with this is they get overwhelmed much like yourself and give up without even starting. Take it stepwise. You don't have to do everything all at once. Get comfortable doing your rotation and role responsibilities in current extremes, then move on to savage later.

Speaking of savage - there are myriad static recruitment discords, as well as an actual reddit for it. You can also use in-game avenues, like your FC. Find people who are similar to you (new to the raiding scene) and your goals.

The idea that you need to raid 20 hours a week to clear savage is a myth. You can raid 9 hours a week and clear in a reasonable time (~2mos) if your group is consistent.

Savage is kind of dead after 2 weeks. If you're planning to play a tier in PF, it's best to either clear within the first couple weeks or not bother.

The playerbase is divided in to 2 groups. People who are in [Practice] parties and people who are in [Duty Complete] reclear parties.

With every day that passes after a new piece of content releases, more people move from practice to duty complete. The ratio of players in practice parties who are capable of clearing the content to players who are catastrophically bad at the game and will never clear because they relentlessly sandbag every group that they're in and don't even realise that they're the problem gets worse.

People know this and will either clear early or just sit the tier out if they aren't doing it in a static.

Anecdotal, I wasn't able to raid right on 6.4 but I came back around 3 weeks ago and I cleared the tier. People spout nonsense like this, but I assure you it is completely fabricated. If a player wants to do something, there are parties to do it in. There's additionally a resurgence of less hardcore players during the welfare patches.

I do agree that the ratio of prog to loot parties shifts, but those prog parties do not entirely disappear. They're definitely there.

edit: lots of players have hate boners for PF, and I used to be one of them. Their FFA loot is a bit annoying, but after having done PF this tier, rather late into the tier, on Aether, it is absolutely realistic. I had an okay experience, and anyone who's semi-competent at their role and do their HW would be fine.

It's not as efficient as a (consistent) static, but to say it's not realistic or utterly painful is complete misinformation.

You can clear UWU/UCoB/TEA in PF and keep your brain intact. I wouldn't prog DSR or TOP in PF though, at least not yet.