Summoner is a joke. Fun as hell... but a joke.

[Nerva Matapan]

I thought RDM was caster easy-mode, but my God - summoner is just silly. 95 percent of the abilities are instants; 75 percent of the spells are linked to two buttons (single target or AOE). Running around in circles and slapping monsters with your book wouldn't be significantly more complex.

I'm not in any way saying this isn't fun - it is. It's very freeing, much the same way as dancer (although dancer at least requires some thought to conserve/spend resources). But SMN is just ridiculous. It feels like FFXIV - practice mode.

[Sardorim]

Originally posted by causality:

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Comments like that make me realize no one actually sits and thinks about what they are saying before the start spewing out crap. Yeah. A couple of buttons, as opposed to? What?

One of the "complicated" melee where it is usually 1, 2, 3? Or maybe 1, 2, that can branch out to two different 3s? And you can throw an oGCD out every so often? Yeah. That's so remarkably more complicated and big-brain.

It's fine to think Summoner is simplistic, but don't go acting like any other class in this game is somehow too complicated for the lowly masses.

Well other jobs are mechanically more complex than summoner, that is just a fact. It has also been proven by a 1 button orange parse combat macro. Please replicate this feat with Ninja, Dark Knight and Bard. :lunar2019piginablanket:

Okay? Play the other jobs then if you don't like Summoner. Every role has an "easy" job.

Dancer is the easiest and simplest ranged physical dps.

Scholar/White Mage are extremely easy healer jobs.

Warrior is the least risky and easiest tank by far with a lot of ways to carry a bad team.

And Summoner is the easiest ranged magical DPS.

I would say Dancer is even easier than Summoner.

[FreshMint]

Originally posted by Sardorim:

Scholar/White Mage are extremely easy healer jobs.

This is the first time I've seen someone describe scholar as an easy class though to be fair the hardest part is realizing your cooldowns are more useful than your gcd heals

[Dervantar]

I agree. I main BLM and play Summoner now and then. It's like easy mode.

[rusty_nasty_wolf]

summoner is one of the best jobs for savage progs, farm, solo deep dungeons, legacy ultimates... well, this kind of things where people don't want to think about rotation too much because they have another stuff to resolve. just don't play summoner in casual content if it seems too easy to you, and welcome to parsing where hundred summoners are ready to fight to death. when you have less buttons, it's harder to beat others, you know.
also remember that it's better to be perfect at easy mode than play hard mode badly. like 50% of black mages I met during roulettes and extreme progs were playing like sh1t. you can call me a freak but I think that bad players are ruining my game experience. and no, it's not like they were novice players and learning. I understand when I should be tolerant.

[FreshMint]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by FreshMint:

This is the first time I've seen someone describe scholar as an easy class though to be fair the hardest part is realizing your cooldowns are more useful than your gcd heals

As a main healer, scholar is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard and it seems to be a common feeling about it, too. I avoid the class like the plague. Even Sage which was hard to me before is my fave, now.

In order of difficult for healers: White Mage -> Sage -> Astrologian -----> Scholar. (Eff it). Astrologian is an easy third place because it's the healer with 3 roles at once in any content: DPS, Heal, Buff. White mage doesn't have to deal with that and Sage just shields and dps.

I'll be honest as someone who frequently plays SCH and WHM, AST feels the most difficult to get into for me lol.
Might just be because I rarely play it though, I can probably handle the card stuff but its the healing part that actually still confounds me.

[Катюша]

Summoner was just changed to reflect the current calibre of player. The quality of players has decreased substantially over the years. There are way more awful players now, than previously, without a shadow of a doubt.

Perhaps Square Enix are accommodating them.

[Axetwin]

When it comes to Scholar, I feel it gets hard when you get a tank that wants to do wall to wall pulls in the levels before you get a lot of your stronger heals.

[AH-1 Cobra]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by FreshMint:

This is the first time I've seen someone describe scholar as an easy class though to be fair the hardest part is realizing your cooldowns are more useful than your gcd heals

As a main healer, scholar is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard and it seems to be a common feeling about it, too. I avoid the class like the plague. Even Sage which was hard to me before is my fave, now.

In order of difficult for healers: White Mage -> Sage -> Astrologian -----> Scholar. (Eff it). Astrologian is an easy third place because it's the healer with 3 roles at once in any content: DPS, Heal, Buff. White mage doesn't have to deal with that and Sage just shields and dps.

I also found White mage a lot easier than Astrologian. White mage's performance is higher than Astrologian when it comes to effort <=> effectiveness. It does more DPS than Astrologian, and heals just as well. Astrologian's buffs are alright, but there's not powerful enough to be game changing, and that's extra complexity in the rotation for minimal gains.

Healing is pretty easy with astro, most times you can put aspected benefic on the tank, and he's usually fine with just that, save the 40s gcd heal for a clutch heal on a DPS who gets hit by something they shouldn't and gets knocked down to 25% HP, and aoe heal for damage the team can't avoid. I rarely use the non GCD single target heal with astro, and even then it's only if the tank gets hit with a really vicious tank buster that puts them into low HP, and if the tank is a warrior, I shouldn't need to even do that.

I'm uncertain as to what to do with astro on big pulls. Let's say the tank has a massive pile of mobs gathered up, should I just be spamming gravity, or should I be cycling each target to apply combustion before using gravity? What I've been doing is mostly ignoring combustion on large packs, and going with gravity, but sometimes there's a beefier mobs in the pile I selectively apply combustion on.

[AH-1 Cobra]

Originally posted by Axetwin:

When it comes to Scholar, I feel it gets hard when you get a tank that wants to do wall to wall pulls in the levels before you get a lot of your stronger heals.

Wall to wall pulls are pretty sketchy in a few maps at certain level ranges. I know warrior is pretty squishy until they get their self heals. The Dusk Vigil can be pretty rough in spots, because you take extra damage from the frost debuff, and some of the mobs hit like a truck, some tanks can do it, others might not. But still, on an easier map like Brayfox Longstop, a tank should be able to wall to wall pull that no problem, if they die it's 100% on the healer.

[causality]

For once Seraphita is right. I believe an AST was the first to solo heal DSR too but their Paladin was using GCDs on Clemency and the Summoner was using Physick in the log.

[Yenkei]

I don't think any job in this game is hard, you can thank all the homogenization they've been doing for that

[Belphegor]

It will get reworked in the next expac.

[(⌐■_■)]

It is like you said it: SMN is ff 14´s easy caster practice mode. Have you ever tried going into extremes/savages blind as BLM? Try barbariccia extreme (minimum ilvl ofc) blind as BLM next :)