Races and Jobs Dawntrail

[ROADKILL=FOX=]

Personal preferences and opinions for new gameplay content?

I understand Female Hrothgar is coming soon, but I am really hoping for Male/Female Lupin(Werewolf) races. I've wanted them since I first played the game in late 2020. I feel like its kind of unfair that we got two types of Feline races for both Genders eventually, but nothing for Canines. It would probably be the only Beast Race that I'd want to be.
I've wanted it so badly thinking of Kelger from FFV which is just an amazing character with lots of potential to expand upon his entire Ethos and we only touched very little upon that with the Lupin Band of fighters in Stormblood content.

I'd even take a dog(not wolf) race thats akin to Miqotes.

basically, you cant have cat people and not have a dog person. youre either a cat or dog person irl.

As for Jobs.
I'm assuming either two things Ardbert/WoL's Job in the teaser is just Paladin w/Emperor's Shield.

OR

I'm inclined to hope and believe it is "Fencer" from like FF Tactics where its just a DPS job and maybe gives several target debuffs on-hit and uses straight swords typically.
my first thought is that at the ending shot he gives huge pirate vibes like PotC, like my first thought on the boat was totally One Piece(Naruto > One Piece for me btw). I first thought itd be like "Corsair" or "Cannoneer" from FFXI or FFV. But I did not see any guns on his hips under the coat looking back at the video slowly, so probably not a pirate-esque job.

But then the colors seeing Ardbert upclose on the boat, the colors made me reminisce to Altair and Ezio, mostly Ezio from Assassin's Creed, and his agile parries in the cinematic could match being an Assassin or a Fencer.

As for a personal hope for me in Dawntrail. I want a Runefencer or Mystic Knight as a Tank, as to how the gameplay would work, idk, since magic and tank creativity can be a bit lacking in differences imo. I feel like a Good choice would be a greatsword with an offhand sword.

And then another would be i want a "Berserker" which would have dual axes and be reminiscent to Warrior but instead be the best melee DPS out there.

as for Dawntrail locations, I hope we also get more Garlean land and not just islands and ocean.

Also, mounts for bodies of water please?

Call it wishful thinking, but i like to have expectations. its healthy.

[Rhyagelle]

One is melee and one is magical, both are DPS.

I suspect Beastmaster (melee) and Oracle or Geomancer (Caster DPS)

[galacticcorgi]

We're not getting a tank, they said Melee and Magic DPS.

Melee is likely Corsair.

They also said that F!Hroth are the last race we're ever getting playable. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

No Padjal or Meteion race then? :(

[causality]

Originally posted by ROADKILL=FOX=:

want a Runefencer or Mystic Knight

Just play red mage or paladin.

Originally posted by ✚ Mariel ✚:

No Padjal :(

Just play a short Hyur lol.

Me? I just want my ninja to share gear with another job.

[Rhyagelle]

They said they probably won't be adding any more races due to the sheer amount of work it takes, they have no set anything in stone. Now I doubt we will be getting a new race for this next expansion, I wouldn't rule it completely out for the future.

If not completely new races, we might see more sub-sets for existing ones.

[Artos]

Yoshi-P gave us a clear hint to check his TMNT T-shirt (movie has a premiere soon too XD) So we have Ninjas and Turtles... Ninjas are already in game, that means we should focus at the Turtles part. There is already a turtle/turtoise race Kojins. We have a friendly one called Soroban and plotwise geomancer would fit.

For the second one, yeah corsair would be best match. Doubt it will be assassin. How different would it be from Ninja ?

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by Artos:

Yoshi-P gave us a clear hint to check his TMNT T-shirt (movie has a premiere soon too XD) So we have Ninjas and Turtles... Ninjas are already in game, that means we should focus at the Turtles part. There is already a turtle/turtoise race Kojins. We have a friendly one called Soroban and plotwise geomancer would fit.

For the second one, yeah corsair would be best match. Doubt it will be assassin. How different would it be from Ninja ?

So far, given the history of how Yoshi-P's shirts ended up being interpreted, I like the idea that it's about their names - Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael and Michelangelo. Pictomancer? Seems the most plausible of any others I've heard.

That said, not sure how in the world you'd do Pictomancer in game, but they already have stated that they no longer wish to be beholden to established class lore so they can and would do whatever the wanted with Pictomancer or any other job at this point.

[ROADKILL=FOX=]

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

We're not getting a tank, they said Melee and Magic DPS.

Melee is likely Corsair.

They also said that F!Hroth are the last race we're ever getting playable. Sorry to burst your bubble.

They said that at least 2 years ago about no more races. a lot changes in 5 years. if they're able to do a graphics overhaul on a huge game like FFXIV. they can make do with more races.

Like I was trying to say. you say pie in the sky, i say great expectations and dreams, its healthy and not so pessimistic. Wouldn't you like anime Werewolf Paladins and Dark Knights?! Want it too with me!

Yoshida recently said hes willing to do 14 until he dies. soooooo. The game is gonna build for another 30 years and NOT get a werewolf race?

Originally posted by causality:

Originally posted by ROADKILL=FOX=:

want a Runefencer or Mystic Knight

Just play red mage or paladin.

Originally posted by ✚ Mariel ✚:

No Padjal :(

Just play a short Hyur lol.

Me? I just want my ninja to share gear with another job.

Red Mage and Paladin are completely different aesthetic wise to Rune Fencer and Mystic Knight, FFXIV is all about aesthetic. I'm not gonna have a toothpick sword and pushing Fire II and Aero II qualify as a greatsword switching from Aero Coated Beam Blade to a Red Hot Burning Fiery Explosive Greatsword, or a Holy Blinding Light Greatsword that consumes the battlefield. and Paladin is just, a neutered Paladin.

Originally posted by Artos:

Yoshi-P gave us a clear hint to check his TMNT T-shirt (movie has a premiere soon too XD) So we have Ninjas and Turtles... Ninjas are already in game, that means we should focus at the Turtles part. There is already a turtle/turtoise race Kojins. We have a friendly one called Soroban and plotwise geomancer would fit.

For the second one, yeah corsair would be best match. Doubt it will be assassin. How different would it be from Ninja ?

I'm all for Meteion, Kojin and Padjal Races! i dont care for Kojins in XIV but it works!
Id want to be a cool melee male Padjal. I wanna see more cute varied Meteions!

As for Magic DPS id expect Geomancer over Oracle. Geomancer would make sense showing how much water and land and the winds on the ship. the books of monsters doesnt qualify as Geomancer. I could see maybe Beastmaster, but id anticipate Beastmaster to get neutered like Blue Mage.

I also expect Blue Mage to actually be a finished job someday.

I could see subjobs allowing Ninja Gear on other Jobs and vice versa.
and also subsets for races, it makes sense. give the Au Ra a subset mix with Kojin and vice versa.

as for information on differences between Assassin and Ninja, Assassin is purely physical damage unlike Ninja that has the Ninjutsu. Assassin is more crit focused and about as agile. the Assassin would less effective AOE attacks moe focused on single targets, you could also do "Marks" for Assassin that mark targets and allows more open crits from other DPS or Tank.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

We're not getting a tank, they said Melee and Magic DPS.

Melee is likely Corsair.

They also said that F!Hroth are the last race we're ever getting playable. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I was hoping for a Burmecian race someday... thats a shame.

[VaryNia]

Originally posted by ✚ Mariel ✚:

No Padjal or Meteion race then? :(

That could be achieved with some gear (Padjal horns as headgear for example)

[Hobo Misanthropus]

The melee DPS is probably Corsair, as others have said, Scouting gear, uses Sabers/Cutlass style swords. Corsair in FFXI was known as a Gun and Sword user though, with an emphasis on the gun, but it was unique in the fact that most of its gun abilities were done point-blank.

It would be interesting to have the speculative corsair use both in FFXIV, like how Paladin switches between a Melee rotation and a magic DPS phase in their rotation, or Red mage alternates between their Casting phases and melee bursting. If that turns out to be the case (And this is a big if, perhaps the biggest if ever) I would really like to see the Sword and Gun as separate items, like how the PLD sword and Shield are.

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by ROADKILL=FOX=:

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

We're not getting a tank, they said Melee and Magic DPS.

Melee is likely Corsair.

They also said that F!Hroth are the last race we're ever getting playable. Sorry to burst your bubble.

They said that at least 2 years ago about no more races. a lot changes in 5 years. if they're able to do a graphics overhaul on a huge game like FFXIV. they can make do with more races.

Like I was trying to say. you say pie in the sky, i say great expectations and dreams, its healthy and not so pessimistic. Wouldn't you like anime Werewolf Paladins and Dark Knights?! Want it too with me!

Yoshida recently said hes willing to do 14 until he dies. soooooo. The game is gonna build for another 30 years and NOT get a werewolf race?

Yes. Because it takes a LOT of resources. Also, this isn't an OVERHAUL, it's an UPDATE. And overhaul would require a new engine entirely.

And no, because they already have trouble making armor for Hroth and Viera with headgear. You'd get none. Think about it. Unless it shared the exact same frame as another race, they'd have to go through hundreds of thousands of armor sets. So no, there WON'T be a new race. It would be an insurmountable challenge to get that much armor ready. The feet would have to be human-shaped, as would the hands. As would the face because of the multitude of masks in the game.

Also, Blue Mage is never going to be anything more than a "limited job." Because there's no way to have it work like a normal job and still be Blue Mage outside of it just being a skin.

[causality]

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

Originally posted by ROADKILL=FOX=:

They said that at least 2 years ago about no more races. a lot changes in 5 years. if they're able to do a graphics overhaul on a huge game like FFXIV. they can make do with more races.

Like I was trying to say. you say pie in the sky, i say great expectations and dreams, its healthy and not so pessimistic. Wouldn't you like anime Werewolf Paladins and Dark Knights?! Want it too with me!

Yoshida recently said hes willing to do 14 until he dies. soooooo. The game is gonna build for another 30 years and NOT get a werewolf race?

And no, because they already have trouble making armor for Hroth and Viera with headgear. You'd get none. Think about it. Unless it shared the exact same frame as another race, they'd have to go through hundreds of thousands of armor sets. So no, there WON'T be a new race. It would be an insurmountable challenge to get that much armor ready.

It took me 1 hour tops to edit every helm in FFXIV and make them usable for Viera. Some older helms from previous expansions even work with Viera. Your post is invalid.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by causality:

It took me 1 hour tops to edit every helm in FFXIV and make them usable for Viera. Some older helms from previous expansions even work with Viera. Your post is invalid. :lunar2019piginablanket:

Sounds like you're using plogons. :D

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by causality:

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

And no, because they already have trouble making armor for Hroth and Viera with headgear. You'd get none. Think about it. Unless it shared the exact same frame as another race, they'd have to go through hundreds of thousands of armor sets. So no, there WON'T be a new race. It would be an insurmountable challenge to get that much armor ready.

It took me 1 hour tops to edit every helm in FFXIV and make them usable for Viera. Some older helms from previous expansions even work with Viera. Your post is invalid. :lunar2019piginablanket:

You mean you took an hour to put a mod in.

A mod that took weeks of work of being only that.

Meanwhile, the employees aren't doing just the hats they want and helms they want, they have to actually think about clipping and ♥♥♥♥ which your mod doesn't really do. It just force-shows it.

Add into this that those same team members are going to be doing multiple jobs and not JUST "make hat work for brand new race" and you're looking at development time that could go elsewhere. Like armor for current content.