Dead game?

[causality]

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As a preface this is not a troll thread. I am genuinely curious if this game has died or not. One week before the new patch and there is barely any activity in the PF. No reclear groups, few prog or practice groups (except for TOP) and I just spent 6 hours in queue for Orbonne Monastery. How are players suppose to advance singleplayer side story content locked behind a dead raid that no one queues for? Meanwhile, Yoshi P doesn't even care that the wintraders are sync queuing at off hours like 6am when no one is on to contest them.

If this keeps up, I. . . I. . . I don't know, I think I'll go play Dragonflop or No World.

[MOSLEY]

They should just move crystal tower into MSQ roulette. Problem solved.

[War Maiden]

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

I mean, my partner gets those raids decently often in roulette, so no??? Same with NieR. Like, these things do pop, but what people want is instant gratification.

Yet, as per usual.
Reply comments do not disclose Data Center.
Seriously. If people want to discuss Data Center issues, you really need to state your own.
Most of it probably has at least been on one or two of them.
Myself, in my 8.8 years of FFXIV service, have served on Primal, Crystal, and the curious server Hades on the Mana Japanese DC.

[Solaires]

While every other MMO pretty much started to die FFXIV thrives very well and has a heavy community. Only thing I can say is if your an intolerant person I don't recommend it since the game opened on Gay Pride parade and Yoshi supported it as well as the community heavily supportive of it too or probably even more then not are. LoL. You'd likely be bullied off the game for being an idiot. Been here 10 years so I'm pretty well adapted to the norms in the game and interactions. Just in case I know there's a heavy hate culture at the moment. However if your a normal person that shouldn't bother you. In terms the game may take time to get into so I advise finding someone with a crown icon and asking to get into the novice network, you should adjust the speech bubble to what your chatting in. I assume you know this much with having knowledge of the PF. The novice network. will allow you to socialise and get to know some of your community and get some help with getting into the game. It's a good start. It's also there temporarily for people who've been gone for more then 45 days. Try testing the water with FCs and leave ones that aren't for you.

I'd also suggest using the Balance Discord to get an idea of your classes. The game doesn't have the best support in teaching such stuff but there are tons of resources supports and people in game to help. Leaf players are noticed as new but don't worry it allows you to make more mistakes and get more help and less flak so being new is not a negative thing you should feel afraid of. In terms though your first priority should be pick a class and stick with it and do it's class quests as well as the main scenario quests that kind of have a black flame symbol. Once your at endgame.

Now I don't advise it starting off but until your about 60-70 you can use duty support if you can't get ques so you can do it solo. There is benefit to this generally too. You get all the loot in the dungeon without needing to share it but you won't get the endgame currency when leveling. On the contrary yes a lot of new players are at the endgame but a lot of players tend to relax and hang out in the starting cities like Limsa and Gridania.

Also don't feel afraid to play tank classes they are literally the easiest classes in the game with dps being actually harder with more rotations and things to dodge. Just note if you tank in groups put on your tank stance and leave it on and don't turn it off. You should check your buffs in case it is off. Also use those defensive buff when necessary. People will like bigger pulls too but just get into the swing of it first if your starting off. The red/ green box next to enemies should always be red if your a tank on a lot of content so enemies focus you. Tanks tend to get away with murder so they aren't bad classes to start off as. You don't have to play tank but can be any of the classes it's just a suggestion to new players.

[Giganx]

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

I mean, my partner gets those raids decently often in roulette, so no??? Same with NieR. Like, these things do pop, but what people want is instant gratification.

Anecdotes don't really work for this. I've technically had these raids pop in roulettes for me as well, and I've also seen situations where they don't seem to pop for weeks. I remember trying to do the HW Alliance raids for the neck glam not too long ago and I was in the queue for a good 3 hours, for the second raid, during prime hours before eventually giving up.

So, while some people get lucky and individual mileage may vary, the reality is that it's old/dead content. Locking things behind dead content is a really stupid, short sighted thing this game does that other MMO's don't.

Like WoW doesn't release endgame content, then pick some random dead raid from 5 years ago and decide you can't participate without clearing it. Sure, for the first few weeks that dead raid is active again, but then everyone who misses that window is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ on a significant portion of the endgame. It's the dumbest ♥♥♥♥ ever and I have no idea what the hell this games developers are thinking.

[Drakzen]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

I mean, my partner gets those raids decently often in roulette, so no??? Same with NieR. Like, these things do pop, but what people want is instant gratification.

Anecdotes don't really work for this. I've technically had these raids pop in roulettes for me as well, and I've also seen situations where they don't seem to pop for weeks. I remember trying to do the HW Alliance raids for the neck glam not too long ago and I was in the queue for a good 3 hours, for the second raid, during prime hours before eventually giving up.

So, while some people get lucky and individual mileage may vary, the reality is that it's old/dead content. Locking things behind dead content is a really stupid, short sighted thing this game does that other MMO's don't.

Like WoW doesn't release endgame content, then pick some random dead raid from 5 years ago and decide you can't participate without clearing it. Sure, for the first few weeks that dead raid is active again, but then everyone who misses that window is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ on a significant portion of the endgame. It's the dumbest ♥♥♥♥ ever and I have no idea what the hell this games developers are thinking.

But when that happens that content then becomes quite active again. When Bozja was released you'd be getting close to a 50/50 chance of getting the Ivalice raids.

And it is only optional content locked behind optional content. Like if I wanted to do Icecrown in WoW I don't need to wait around for a full team, same with Ivalice raids.

WoW is filled with short sighted things so it isn't a great example (Being forced to farm rep to do certain campaign quests as one example).

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Drakzen:

But when that happens that content then becomes quite active again. When Bozja was released you'd be getting close to a 50/50 chance of getting the Ivalice raids.

And it is only optional content locked behind optional content. Like if I wanted to do Icecrown in WoW I don't need to wait around for a full team, same with Ivalice raids.

WoW is filled with short sighted things so it isn't a great example (Being forced to farm rep to do certain campaign quests as one example).

The content becomes active again for a little while, then goes back to being dead. Once it goes back to being dead then everyone who wants to do Bozja but was late to the party can go ♥♥♥♥ themselves.

WoW has a lot of grind. I know a lot of people aren't a fan of that, but that's not short sighted.

Short sighted is this...

Dev 1: "Hey, let's force people to run an old raid to access endgame content! It'll pad the new content a bit and spark some life into the old content!! It's a win/win!"

Dev 2:"But what happens later on when that old raid is dead again but there are still players who haven't unlocked the endgame stuff?"

Dev1: "I said win/win!! You know I can't think more than 3 weeks into the future; it makes my head hurt."

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

They should just move crystal tower into MSQ roulette. Problem solved.

This actually sounds good to me. :)

[Vlka Fenryka]

Originally posted by causality:

As a preface this is not a troll thread. I am genuinely curious if this game has died or not. One week before the new patch and there is barely any activity in the PF. No reclear groups, few prog or practice groups (except for TOP) and I just spent 6 hours in queue for Orbonne Monastery. How are players suppose to advance singleplayer side story content locked behind a dead raid that no one queues for? Meanwhile, Yoshi P doesn't even care that the wintraders are sync queuing at off hours like 6am when no one is on to contest them.

If this keeps up, I. . . I. . . I don't know, I think I'll go play Dragonflop or No World. :flowey:

Desperate need of attention

[causality]

Originally posted by Zordiark Darkeater:

Originally posted by Deejudanne:

from start to finish i'd say 6-8 hours

More like multiple days thx to the forced trials that barely ever finds a group...

And people say the game isn't dead. Meanwhile, new players begging in the PF for clears because the queue system works against them a vast majority of the time.

[Scarsick]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by galacticcorgi:

I mean, my partner gets those raids decently often in roulette, so no??? Same with NieR. Like, these things do pop, but what people want is instant gratification.

Anecdotes don't really work for this.

Originally posted by Giganx:

I remember trying to do the HW Alliance raids for the neck glam not too long ago and I was in the queue for a good 3 hours, for the second raid, during prime hours before eventually giving up.

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Scarsick:

Originally posted by Giganx:

Anecdotes don't really work for this.

Originally posted by Giganx:

I remember trying to do the HW Alliance raids for the neck glam not too long ago and I was in the queue for a good 3 hours, for the second raid, during prime hours before eventually giving up.

Not sure what you think you have here, but I was just demonstrating why anecdotes don't work. For every anecdote claiming to get these raids easily there are plenty claiming the opposite, so citing your personal experiences as proof of something is pointless.

Regardless of anecdotes it's old content, and old content will always eventually fall into disuse unless there's a good reason to run it. Since SE clearly isn't going to give anyone a good reason to run those old raids, it was stupid to lock Bozja behind them.

[Sayo]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Since SE clearly isn't going to give anyone a good reason to run those old raids, it was stupid to lock Bozja behind them.

Locking Bozja behind them was the good reason to do them. :)

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Sayo:

Originally posted by Giganx:

Since SE clearly isn't going to give anyone a good reason to run those old raids, it was stupid to lock Bozja behind them.

Locking Bozja behind them was the good reason to do them. :)

It was a good reason to do them once, 2 years ago.

If content is going to be locked behind them then people need a reason to KEEP doing them, or else the content locked behind them becomes inaccessible to new players.

[Scarsick]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Scarsick:

Not sure what you think you have here, but I was just demonstrating why anecdotes don't work. For every anecdote claiming to get these raids easily there are plenty claiming the opposite, so citing your personal experiences as proof of something is pointless.

Anecdotes are only valid when you do it, got it.

Or perhaps you didn't notice you're also using anecdotal evidence?

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Scarsick:

Originally posted by Giganx:

Not sure what you think you have here, but I was just demonstrating why anecdotes don't work. For every anecdote claiming to get these raids easily there are plenty claiming the opposite, so citing your personal experiences as proof of something is pointless.

Anecdotes are only valid when you do it, got it.

Or perhaps you didn't notice you're also using anecdotal evidence?

I just gave an anecdote to prove that anecdotes exist for both sides of this, so they don't really prove anything.

I should probably stop trying to make points by using non-linear logic; I think it goes over peoples heads way too often here.