Plogon revolution

[causality]

World first clear obtained with plogon. Yoshi P cannot defeat the plogons, plogons will be embraced and SE will start designing content around plogon usage.

[Stormy Dawn]

Автор сообщения: Chiro

yap, he wants constantly proof from others but doesnt wants to proof anything to others.
same like that he rips sentences out of context and then ignores everything else.

thats our mayor how we know him.
and if he cant win tugs he sunny and co. out of the corner to help him ^.^.

iunno mayor, if you want proof from others, learn how to do this on your own. because you always "weasel" yourself out of it too, just like you did now.

Автор сообщения: Tsurayu

That's more of misnomer than anything. GShade and ReShade aren't mods or plug-ins. They are independent applications that basically alter your display of a game. They don't interact with the titles you use them on at all.

So, it's not really about Square Enix allowing GShade or ReShade so much as they have no authority to deny it's usage because it does not actually interact with the game in any way.

and whats with this tho? whats with your "absolute no third party tool allowed" thing.
now is gshade suddenly a grey area? even tho its a 3rd party tool? what you said isnt true either, gshade interacts with the game, aka inproves its visuals. thats aswell "changing the original game" aswell because the game looks different visual wise then it would look in its original state without gshade and reshade.

tho what got written that gshade and reshade might be the only legal tools could be true (aside from discord and co.). because when SE made their standpoint again clear about all this plugin, mods, UI extensions and visuals etc. wrote they in that huge notice that the only thing they might accept are visual game enhancement things such as gshade. it was literarly mentitioned in the whole thing. i mean they didnt said "yes its now clearly allowed" before someone says here again "chiro said its allowed" -_- but it got written in a way down that it is "tolerated" atleast when it comes to making screenshots. its in the thing where they updated the ToS again right after the streamer thing in 2022 happened. they clearified a lot whats clearly forbidden and what might be "maybe" under "certain conditions" (such as gshade or reshade for screenshots) tolerated. otherwise could you get anyone banned which makes a screenshot with gshade or reshade. that would be a ton of peoples on twitter which even shared their whole name+data center. if i remember me correct (i could be wrong) went they in that ToS update so far to say that anything which would ONLY enhance the graphics of the game might be tolerated. with that is gshade and reshade technicly "tolerated".

and yet adds gshade and reshade files to the game which actively interact with the game files to improve its graphics. where we are again at your thing where you are wrong. gshade and reshade interact with the game. both of them are 3rdparty tools aswell.

but then again might we be at the point about "which 3rd party tools are tolerated and whichones are not" aka discord for example, or teamspeak etc. even the keyboard macros and mouse macros from (which getting made via the razer programm) are technicly 3rd party tools etc.

and yet they are tolerated or even flatout allowed (like it got clearly said that discord and teamspeak are allowed)

what i want to say is that peoples wrote here "absolute no 3rd party tool allowed"
but since gshade and reshade got mentitioned is that zero tollerance suddenly gone.

edit:
squezzed into one single post to avoid a double post oo

Good lord. Will you stop talking about stuff you have no clue about? You keep talking about stuff you are either ignorant about or get caught lying and then go "lul English bad" as some kind of a scapegoat.

GShade and ReShade do not interact with the the game - at all. That is why they are an exception. For the purpose of their Terms of Service, Square Enix defines a third-party tool as an application that interacts with and/or modifies the games files in any way. Seeing as how GShade or ReShade does neither of those things Square Enix can do nothing.

If they did, Square Enix would definitely not allow them even if they are benevolent as most add-ons and mods actually are. It doesn't matter. They don't allow any third-party tool that interacts or modifies game data. Period. There has been no, and likely never will be exceptions.

[weiss]

Автор сообщения: Seraphita

Автор сообщения: Chiro

I'm sorry to say Chiro but what you're doing by editing his words to fit your own narrative doesn't make you better than the worst of these forums... You cannot hope to win some online argument by changing the context of the discussion because you're angry at people... x.x

idc, he ignores everything i´ve corrected before and acts like "nope you never corrected anything, you lied blabla" o.o

they probably get me banned again with their pitty try to keep me in this argument even tho, Tsurayu, mayor and sunny keep going and provoking new replies from me.

but i literarly defend myself now with it that they missunderstood me because they said that they cant understand me properly right? so, its a language barrier thing. it would be foolish from them to say now "no, i understood you clearly" and saying that my english is now suddenly fine right? get what i mean?

all of them are just not able to deal with it when they get called out, just like Tsurayu got called out saying gshade is now suddenly a grey area and yet, its literarly a 3rd party tool and tries to provoke me with "oh you have no idea what you talk about" etc.

those peoples got me already multible times banned here in this forum for tugging me into an argument, then argumented with me so long until the start of it got deep burried somewhere in the middle of the topic, so mods would loose te effort to track back about who kept the argument going even tho they got multible times told that i am done with it but they keep going and provoking replies out of me with their accusations. just wait for it sera, i get probably soon banned again because i dare´d to talk to sunny, alternity, izeyash and co. again.

[weiss]

Автор сообщения: Tsurayu

Автор сообщения: Chiro

yap, he wants constantly proof from others but doesnt wants to proof anything to others.
same like that he rips sentences out of context and then ignores everything else.

thats our mayor how we know him.
and if he cant win tugs he sunny and co. out of the corner to help him ^.^.

iunno mayor, if you want proof from others, learn how to do this on your own. because you always "weasel" yourself out of it too, just like you did now.




and whats with this tho? whats with your "absolute no third party tool allowed" thing.
now is gshade suddenly a grey area? even tho its a 3rd party tool? what you said isnt true either, gshade interacts with the game, aka inproves its visuals. thats aswell "changing the original game" aswell because the game looks different visual wise then it would look in its original state without gshade and reshade.

tho what got written that gshade and reshade might be the only legal tools could be true (aside from discord and co.). because when SE made their standpoint again clear about all this plugin, mods, UI extensions and visuals etc. wrote they in that huge notice that the only thing they might accept are visual game enhancement things such as gshade. it was literarly mentitioned in the whole thing. i mean they didnt said "yes its now clearly allowed" before someone says here again "chiro said its allowed" -_- but it got written in a way down that it is "tolerated" atleast when it comes to making screenshots. its in the thing where they updated the ToS again right after the streamer thing in 2022 happened. they clearified a lot whats clearly forbidden and what might be "maybe" under "certain conditions" (such as gshade or reshade for screenshots) tolerated. otherwise could you get anyone banned which makes a screenshot with gshade or reshade. that would be a ton of peoples on twitter which even shared their whole name+data center. if i remember me correct (i could be wrong) went they in that ToS update so far to say that anything which would ONLY enhance the graphics of the game might be tolerated. with that is gshade and reshade technicly "tolerated".

and yet adds gshade and reshade files to the game which actively interact with the game files to improve its graphics. where we are again at your thing where you are wrong. gshade and reshade interact with the game. both of them are 3rdparty tools aswell.

but then again might we be at the point about "which 3rd party tools are tolerated and whichones are not" aka discord for example, or teamspeak etc. even the keyboard macros and mouse macros from (which getting made via the razer programm) are technicly 3rd party tools etc.

and yet they are tolerated or even flatout allowed (like it got clearly said that discord and teamspeak are allowed)

what i want to say is that peoples wrote here "absolute no 3rd party tool allowed"
but since gshade and reshade got mentitioned is that zero tollerance suddenly gone.

edit:
squezzed into one single post to avoid a double post oo

Good lord. Will you stop talking about stuff you have no clue about? You keep talking about stuff you are either ignorant about or get caught lying and then go "lul English bad" as some kind of a scapegoat.

GShade and ReShade do not interact with the the game - at all. That is why they are an exception. For the purpose of their Terms of Service, Square Enix defines a third-party tool as an application that interacts with and/or modifies the games files in any way. Seeing as how GShade or ReShade does neither of those things Square Enix can do nothing.

If they did, Square Enix would definitely not allow them even if they are benevolent as most add-ons and mods actually are. It doesn't matter. They don't allow any third-party tool that interacts or modifies game data. Period. There has been no, and likely never will be exceptions.

and to you say i literarly, yes lul english bad, look the topic up where mayor, alternity, izeyash and some others harassed me about my english punctuation etc. and yes, even tho they harassed me, got i banned for it, awesome right? so yes, LUL MY ENGLISH BAD SORRY!!! have fun getting me banned again ... lol -.-.

btw its easy to find in my post history where i argued with them about my english, and in alternitys, sunny´s and mayors post history too how they harassed me, none of them got punished for the harassment but i got banned after i shown that friends of mine understand me fine. so its not too hard to find it. so again sorry, my english bad. lul u,u

[Stormy Dawn]

Автор сообщения: Chiro

Автор сообщения: Tsurayu

Good lord. Will you stop talking about stuff you have no clue about? You keep talking about stuff you are either ignorant about or get caught lying and then go "lul English bad" as some kind of a scapegoat.

GShade and ReShade do not interact with the the game - at all. That is why they are an exception. For the purpose of their Terms of Service, Square Enix defines a third-party tool as an application that interacts with and/or modifies the games files in any way. Seeing as how GShade or ReShade does neither of those things Square Enix can do nothing.

If they did, Square Enix would definitely not allow them even if they are benevolent as most add-ons and mods actually are. It doesn't matter. They don't allow any third-party tool that interacts or modifies game data. Period. There has been no, and likely never will be exceptions.

and to you say i literarly, yes lul english bad, look the topic up where mayor, alternity, izeyash and some others harassed me about my english punctuation etc. and yes, even tho they harassed me, got i banned for it, awesome right? so yes, LUL MY ENGLISH BAD SORRY!!! have fun getting me banned again ... lol -.-.

I don't care that your English isn't amazing. Hell, I can't even speak a second language for a damn nevertheless be fluent enough to try writing in it. Anyone who is bilingual (or more) deserves mad props even if they aren't perfectly fluent.

I can understand what you are saying. Which is why I get frustrated when you get caught saying something incorrect and go "Wait no. You are misunderstanding me because my English is bad." No. I understood what you said just fine - and it was wrong.

[FreshMint]

Square/YoshiP don't want plugins partially to retain a more controlled environment to avoid things like cheating (seeing, doing or knowing things the game doesn't normally allow, meaning an not very fair advantage) or things like people modding the looks of other player's characters without their consent (especially now that we have the clown suit), as well as of course avoiding people gated by plugins ("You haven't installed this plugin so you're not allowed in this party" / "LMAO get out grey parser").
Saying that anything even *might* be okay means that the line thins and before you know it things will slip through.

WoW is a very good example on the issue; They were very loose about the usage of them, and hardcore content ends up being designed with it in mind because otherwise it gets trivialized.
Ultimates exist to entertain those who wanted something even harder than savage, and primarily exists to entertain those players.
They dont want to make content hard to the point of requiring plugins because this would be awful to console players, but as they now have stated the motivation to keep making these only goes down if people use them anyway.

That said, I believe the closest they've ever been towards approving plugins is "We've started looking at the more popular mods and see if we can implement their features into the base game to make those mods no longer needed", which is a good move considering it's one way to listen to player feedback.

Also "Others use them so I should be allowed to use them too" will never protect you. If you use plugins and get caught, don't Surprise Pikachu when you get punished for it.

[Oberon]

Автор сообщения: Chiro

those peoples got me already multible times banned here in this forum for tugging me into an argument,

You got yourself banned. Don't blame other people for your own behavior.

[Oberon]

Автор сообщения: Seraphita

Автор сообщения: The Mayor of Murder Town

You got yourself banned. Don't blame other people for your own behavior.

You technically can, tbh. A mod can decide to ban you if they see you argue with someone who dragged you into their own drama bait. Just like you could have been banned so many times by Ryan baiting you (and you both went pretty hard at it). That's how they got me.

I am not excusing Chiro by saying this but it's a matter of truth in this place. Mods call it "Combative and argumentative." and there's no saving you if they catch you. Mods will claim that it is completely unaccepted on steam forums. I'm just saying so you all be careful...

That's because there is no "he started it" clause. No one forces you to post anything. You are responsible for your own behavior.

[Giganx]

Автор сообщения: The Mayor of Murder Town

Автор сообщения: Giganx

Why would you need me to prove it?

Oh I don't need to, I just know you can't and wanted to see how you weasel out of it.

Right, you just needed to make sure that everyone is aware that it can't be proven. Your desperation for everyone's approval here is so transparent. Poor kid. ;)

[causality]

So I understand Yoshi P wants to respect player privacy but they need to implement some form of anti cheat. Valve's VAC reads your memory but it's not like they're selling your information. The fact is after all is said and done, people will continue to cheat because Yoshi P said, "we don't want to know what is installed on your computer and we don't care to find out." That's a green light for people like Mayor to not have to prove themselves or the slight possibility that they cheat (not saying they do cheat) even after insulting other players by calling them 'fools'. An effective anti cheat measure would be able to differentiate between someone who is legit or just full of bovine excrement.

[Stormy Dawn]

Автор сообщения: causality

So I understand Yoshi P wants to respect player privacy but they need to implement some form of anti cheat. Valve's VAC reads your memory but it's not like they're selling your information. The fact is after all is said and done, people will continue to cheat because Yoshi P said, "we don't want to know what is installed on your computer and we don't care to find out." That's a green light for people like Mayor to not have to prove themselves or the slight possibility that they cheat (not saying they do cheat) even after insulting other players by calling them 'fools'. An effective anti cheat measure would be able to differentiate between someone who is legit or just full of bovine excrement. :lunar2019piginablanket:

Well I think part of the issue is the questionable legality in Japan. I don't know the details and know anti-cheat isn't strictly illegal in Japan because From Software uses it. However, I know it somewhat falls under the law that prevents modifying game data on consoles. That also loosely applies to applications that edit a games data - in a way the same problem they have with third-party tools to begin with.

But like I said, I don't know the details and how it is legal in some context and illegal in others. I think it's fair to say anti-cheat is complicated in Japan.

[Giganx]

Автор сообщения: Seraphita

Автор сообщения: The Mayor of Murder Town

That's because there is no "he started it" clause. No one forces you to post anything. You are responsible for your own behavior.

Well, yes... But I'm just saying that YOU could still hit simply for arguing with anyone a bit too roughly. I know this is entirely your choice but mods are preying on people like you and me for responding to them. Just like Gigant above is currently trying to bait you into it as well...

So, control your temper. You'll never get banned for simply responding, only for attacking people.

[Stormy Dawn]

Автор сообщения: Giganx

You'll never get banned for simply responding, only for attacking people.

If only that were true. We have some pretty crappy community mods out there unfortunately.

[Oberon]

Автор сообщения: Giganx

Автор сообщения: The Mayor of Murder Town

Oh I don't need to, I just know you can't and wanted to see how you weasel out of it.

Right, you just needed to make sure that everyone is aware that it can't be proven. Your desperation for everyone's approval here is so transparent. Poor kid. ;)

No, this was entirely for my own amusement.

Автор сообщения: Tsurayu

Автор сообщения: causality

So I understand Yoshi P wants to respect player privacy but they need to implement some form of anti cheat. Valve's VAC reads your memory but it's not like they're selling your information. The fact is after all is said and done, people will continue to cheat because Yoshi P said, "we don't want to know what is installed on your computer and we don't care to find out." That's a green light for people like Mayor to not have to prove themselves or the slight possibility that they cheat (not saying they do cheat) even after insulting other players by calling them 'fools'. An effective anti cheat measure would be able to differentiate between someone who is legit or just full of bovine excrement. :lunar2019piginablanket:

Well I think part of the issue is the questionable legality in Japan. I don't know the details and know anti-cheat isn't strictly illegal in Japan because From Software uses it. However, I know it somewhat falls under the law that prevents modifying game data on consoles. That also loosely applies to applications that edit a games data - in a way the same problem they have with third-party tools to begin with.

But like I said, I don't know the details and how it is legal in some context and illegal in others. I think it's fair to say anti-cheat is complicated in Japan.

It's an invasion of privacy thing, they can't do software that scans users computers. They could implement a method of checking game files for abnormalities but that would also dramatically increase the time it would take to log in to the game.

[weiss]

Автор сообщения: The Mayor of Murder Town

Автор сообщения: Giganx

Right, you just needed to make sure that everyone is aware that it can't be proven. Your desperation for everyone's approval here is so transparent. Poor kid. ;)

No, this was entirely for my own amusement.

alone for this deserves he to get banned, lol.

[Giganx]

Автор сообщения: Seraphita

Автор сообщения: Chiro

alone for this deserves he to get banned, lol.

Only as long as you also consider calling him a "poor kid" a bannable offence. No bias.

Is there something wrong with Mayor being a kid or me expressing sympathy/pity?

Not really the same as Mayor admitting he's trolling.