About modding

[OMGitsTHEMEMI]

So I know lots of users used mods for changing skins and such, but with the recent events will this mods get you banned? or you can still use those

[Under there]

gosh i hope so

[Sunny]

if you get caught, you will get banned

if you do not get caught, you will not get banned

FFXIV has no anti-cheat software

The only way you will get caught is if you a- post something about using them, b- stream yourself (or record yourself) using them, and post it publicly, or c- speak about them on game in a way that makes it obvious you're using them (say, acting like a total mop and berating somebody about the damage meter).

Basically, don't impact anyone else's good time, and you're fine.

Technically, they are 100% against the rules. YoshiP gives disappointed dad sigh. You're definitely a cheater if you use them, but your account is only at risk if you get caught.

[Alternity]

The dev's stance on mods has never changed, they are against ToS.

[^3JumpinJackFlashOG]

I'm so glad mods and addons are banned on this game even tho its not super strict about detecting them. With the drama happening with g shade, it shows how much bad code most players do not understand nor see that can be lurking in your system. Also it causes toxic players to be toxic to others with the dps/healing meter issue.

[Ally Bobo]

Originally posted by ^3JumpinJackFlashOG:

With the drama happening with g shade, it shows how much bad code most players do not understand nor see that can be lurking in your system.

It's funny cos in another thread there were some 'people' convinced it's one of the 'okay' mods to use, even right after Yoshi saying no mods are okay and to stop putting words in his mouth like that. They'll do anything to cheat I guess.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by Ally Bobo Pipe:

Originally posted by ^3JumpinJackFlashOG:

With the drama happening with g shade, it shows how much bad code most players do not understand nor see that can be lurking in your system.

It's funny cos in another thread there were some 'people' convinced it's one of the 'okay' mods to use, even right after Yoshi saying no mods are okay and to stop putting words in his mouth like that. They'll do anything to cheat I guess.

Shaders are okay to use. GShade and ReShade are fine to use from a third-party perspective because there is nothing Square Enix can say or do about their use. Square Enix' Terms of Service specifically states third-party tools that interact with or modify the games files and assets are not allowed. GShade and Reshade do neither of those things so they are allowed on principle.

Anyway, topic at hand, the status quo is likely to remain the same. People can continue to mod the game as long as they aren't stupid. Keep it yourself in all forms and you will never get in trouble for it.

[Ally Bobo]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Square Enix' Terms of Service specifically states third-party tools that interact with or modify the games files and assets are not allowed. GShade and Reshade do neither of those things so they are allowed on principle.

How do you know? Did you know gshade could restart your PC too? Just seems safer to not use anything at all and risk breaking TOS.

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Anyway, topic at hand, the status quo is likely to remain the same. People can continue to mod the game as long as they aren't stupid. Keep it yourself in all forms and you will never get in trouble for it.

Hmmmm, until they add anti cheat. Then all you cheaters will be gone forever.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by Ally Bobo Pipe:

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Square Enix' Terms of Service specifically states third-party tools that interact with or modify the games files and assets are not allowed. GShade and Reshade do neither of those things so they are allowed on principle.

How do you know? Did you know gshade could restart your PC too? Just seems safer to not use anything at all and risk breaking TOS.

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Anyway, topic at hand, the status quo is likely to remain the same. People can continue to mod the game as long as they aren't stupid. Keep it yourself in all forms and you will never get in trouble for it.

Hmmmm, until they add anti cheat. Then all you cheaters will be gone forever.

Yes. I'm well aware of the GShade fiasco. That doesn't have anything to do with it's ability to interact with the game. All ReShade (and GShade by extension) is, is an injector. An oversimplification but it basically interacts with your display drivers to adjust settings. It does not directly interact with or modify any of FFXIV's files. There is nothing for Square Enix to be upset about because it doesn't not violate Terms of Service.

It would be the same as being upset at Discord. Discord can "enhance" your experience playing FFXIV, but it does not directly interact with or modify FFXIV in any way, so there is nothing Square Enix could do about it even if they were upset about Discord being used to communicate with other FFXIV players.

As for anti-tamper, I really doubt it. Possible - but unlikely. I'm not sure whether it's fair to say it's a cultural thing or not, but it does seems like a fairly prevailing attitude that most Japanese development teams aren't thrilled with the use of anti-tamper software, ironically for the same reasons they aren't thrilled with third-party tools, probably. Either way, I imagine Yoshi-P would have to be pushed a lot farther by players being stupid, or overruled from on high before anti-tamper software was added to the game. They simply don't like how intrusive and borderline privacy breaking and illegal anti-tamper software is.

[Giganx]

Situation is the same as it's always been, the recent scandal didn't actually change anything.

ALL mods are against the ToS, but Square Enix doesn't actually have the means to detect them and ban you. So, if you want to use mods just don't talk about it and don't record yourself doing it.

[OMGitsTHEMEMI]

okay thanks for the answers

[causality]

Originally posted by Alternity:

The dev's stance on mods has never changed, they are against ToS.

Originally posted by Giganx:

Situation is the same as it's always been, the recent scandal didn't actually change anything.

Based and insightful. I see a lot of people commonly give bad advice here which leaves me to wonder how many players were banned as a consequence of such. Like someone innocently asking others for help ingame about 'x mod' in a public channel. Vague answers like, "don't get caught" doesn't really help but offering to say, "it's against the ToS" would probably lead to less unfortunate encounters with the GMs and their Gaol.

[^3JumpinJackFlashOG]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Originally posted by Ally Bobo Pipe:

It's funny cos in another thread there were some 'people' convinced it's one of the 'okay' mods to use, even right after Yoshi saying no mods are okay and to stop putting words in his mouth like that. They'll do anything to cheat I guess.

Shaders are okay to use. GShade and ReShade are fine to use from a third-party perspective because there is nothing Square Enix can say or do about their use. Square Enix' Terms of Service specifically states third-party tools that interact with or modify the games files and assets are not allowed. GShade and Reshade do neither of those things so they are allowed on principle.

Anyway, topic at hand, the status quo is likely to remain the same. People can continue to mod the game as long as they aren't stupid. Keep it yourself in all forms and you will never get in trouble for it.

Gshade is NOT ok to use nor any shader now should be used since it proves any 3rd party tool that does any changes to the game should never be used. History has shown that most injectors cause more harm then good.

I always report in game when i noticed someone using a meter and now im sure they will make it harder to use addons by the next xpac or so.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by ^3JumpinJackFlashOG:

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Shaders are okay to use. GShade and ReShade are fine to use from a third-party perspective because there is nothing Square Enix can say or do about their use. Square Enix' Terms of Service specifically states third-party tools that interact with or modify the games files and assets are not allowed. GShade and Reshade do neither of those things so they are allowed on principle.

Anyway, topic at hand, the status quo is likely to remain the same. People can continue to mod the game as long as they aren't stupid. Keep it yourself in all forms and you will never get in trouble for it.

Gshade is NOT ok to use nor any shader now should be used since it proves any 3rd party tool that does any changes to the game should never be used. History has shown that most injectors cause more harm then good.

I always report in game when i noticed someone using a meter and now im sure they will make it harder to use addons by the next xpac or so.

What part of it does not interact with or modify any assets is hard for people to understand?

GShade ans ReShade are fine to use from the perspective of Square Enix's Terms of Service.

[♥]

from what i know, as long as it dosent effect gameplay then it is fine, however things like damage counter or gameplay effecting things are not okay, just don't go post screenshots with non vanilla textures on the official forums or stream with it, at most, i would reccemand a mod that upscale the in game textures.

[Aard]

Way to many misconceptions or misunderstandings this thread:
*FFXIV has anti-cheat, however this is server side, not client side. That means modification of files etc is not checked but doing somthing like changing an items value or number is and doing so will cause a ban
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Originally posted by ^3JumpinJackFlashOG:

Gshade is NOT ok to use nor any shader now should be used since it proves any 3rd party tool that does any changes to the game should never be used. History has shown that most injectors cause more harm then good.

Jack here is a purist, he has never used somthing like an addon in his nor does he like others doing so. Coming up with such proven falsities as injectors causing more harm then good. Nobody would ever use anything if it cause more bad than good. Reshade and Gshade change things like colour or add other tech like anti aliasing, but can go further like adding speech bubbles that to this day confuse me why its not in game as default like every other successful MMO in existence, but chosing to limit it to NPC only.

Yes addons can do things like moving a camera further back or changing an FoV and yes using anything such as an addon is against FFXIVs ToS, but so is all recording software like shadowplay, all extra huds like Discord, the list goes on.

Deciding to go to war against something so incredibly stupid only shows that you are a pathetic individual who hates player agency and accessibility. If you truly care about the games ToS but have even something so simple as the steam overlay active then you are a hypocrite choosing their battles while pulling off the bull they claim is bad while reporting others.

Don't be like Jack, don't enforce the rules you don't follow yourself on others, let people enjoy things, let people have the accessibility the devs refuse to give people because of some sort of misconception of justice and pride, and don't preach what you don't understand or haven't read yourself.