Is toxicity an issue in this game?

[Katgoop]

Semi-new player here that loves MMORPG's. So far, this is the only mmorpg that I've played that has had COUNTLESS of toxic encounters, dungeons alone. Both towards me or other players. Back before I played this, I believed that WoW was toxic, alongside a few other RPG-esque games I've played. I even play ESO as my main game, but holy gods, this game alone, in about 20 hours average, I've met over a dozen toxic players. Is toxicity an issue, or am I just unlucky?
I've heard from alot of people that this game has a great community and all that, something I wish I could keep believing, but yikes. I'm getting the short end of the stick.

[Drakzen]

Every MMO has a portion of the community that is toxic. FF14 is just more strict with the ToC so they'll tend to avoid doing something that will result in a ban.

The biggest cause of toxicity outside of end game will be someone doing instanced content whilst vastly undergeared (Especially if they are a healer or tank) as that is the mostly likely cause of party wipes in dungeons.

Not sure about your servers Novice Network but on mine it was generally a nice environment with helpful mentors so you could always join that.

[Oberon]

Blind Knight původně napsal:

Yes. People will rep you for nothing cause they just feel like it. After that, if you say a swear youll be banned cause of all those false reports.

Except false reports won't get you banned, unless you're the one filing them. There's actually a thread on here about that, guy was harassing people and filing reports against them because he thought they were bots. Got himself banned over that.

[Oberon]

Blind Knight původně napsal:

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

Except false reports won't get you banned, unless you're the one filing them. There's actually a thread on here about that, guy was harassing people and filing reports against them because he thought they were bots. Got himself banned over that.

That is hard to proof.. If there's alot of reps youll probly get banned. It's same in league of legends

First of all, what the hell is a "rep"?

Second, why would you get banned for a false report? The GMs read the chat logs, see you didn't do anything wrong, and put a mark against the one who lied and wasted their time. It's common sense.

[causality]

Stay away from Bards, they are extremely toxic with poisoning their arrows and playing (badly) copyrighted music.

[Sunny]

Blind Knight původně napsal:

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

Except false reports won't get you banned, unless you're the one filing them. There's actually a thread on here about that, guy was harassing people and filing reports against them because he thought they were bots. Got himself banned over that.

That is hard to proof.. If there's alot of reps youll probly get banned. It's same in league of legends

The action penalty tree and code of conduct are very clear and quite transparent, SE support is explicit that filing false reports will have the reporter being the one actioned, AND false reports don't remain on your account -- account actions do. I suspect you've never even looked at the documentation for these things before you assumed it's done the same way as LoL.

[Sunny]

Blind Knight původně napsal:

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

First of all, what the hell is a "rep"?

Second, why would you get banned for a false report? The GMs read the chat logs, see you didn't do anything wrong, and put a mark against the one who lied and wasted their time. It's common sense.

Because you have existing reports. Then If you say something rude they will ban you much easier.

you're making this up. it's imagined. not real. fabricated. fiction. lies. If you were actioned for actually swearing, it had NOTHING to do with false reports, and 100% to do with the "swearing" being a gross violation of the code of conduct.

Otherwise, 'swearing' is going to get you pulled to GM jail where you'd have a nice conversation with a friendly GM about the rules. The penalty tree / the way these things are handled is VERY OPENLY LAID OUT and absolutely at odds with your claim of how it is.

[Oberon]

Blind Knight původně napsal:

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

First of all, what the hell is a "rep"?

Second, why would you get banned for a false report? The GMs read the chat logs, see you didn't do anything wrong, and put a mark against the one who lied and wasted their time. It's common sense.

Because you have existing reports. Then If you say something rude they will ban you much easier.

You have false reports, none of which resulted in a penalty.

[Oberon]

Sunny původně napsal:

I suspect you've never even looked at the documentation for these things before you assumed it's done the same way as LoL.

No one should ever assume anything is done the same way as LoL.

[Hex]

People screaming "muh toxicity" are pretty much always the actual problem themselves.

[causality]

Hex původně napsal:

People screaming "muh toxicity" are pretty much always the actual problem themselves.

Basically this.

[Moon Rabbit]

The only mmorpg I experienced with little to no toxicity was Lord of the Rings Online; I'm sure there are a few other examples.

And when players aren't behaving poorly toward one another, they are optimizing the fun out of the games. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone why there aren't many passion project mmos anymore. Loot boxes and in store "convenience" items are now the norm. Immersion and fascination be damned.

There is a reason why people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs would only allow their children a limited amount of time each day for the internet, and mostly for homework.

To avoid toxicity as much as you can, play some of the older games with mature crowds. If it bothers you too much, simply quit; which is a hard thing to do once you become accustomed to putting all of your recreational eggs into one basket.

Most importantly, online gaming should never substitute for a balanced social life. I understand some of us don't have any other options to remain connected. So in that case I would offer up the advice of mindfulness. Keep mindful of the context of any perceived toxicity. And remember, it truly has no bearing on who you are as a real person or what good intentions are inherent in your soul.

[Alternity]

I think you're just unlucky, I have seen toxic people in the lower level dungeons, but it's pretty rare (4000 hours played, did not see that much when doing roulettes). In fact, I think I've seen much more people helping new players than being toxic to them. If you used the command to remove the sprout icon next to your name maybe people are expecting an experienced player, but otherwise this seems like it is bad luck. The toxicity appears much more in end-game raiding content in the Party Finder, but you can just choose to leave toxic parties and form another one. I personally don't think there is as much toxicity as what you described based on my personnal experience. Obviously this can vary from Data Center to Data Center, I am on Primal in NA.

[Frost]

I've experienced very little.

Aside from a few incidents in alliance raids and a few levelling dungeons my experience has been very mild.

Some mentors don't know when to step back. I specifically remember one time during a SB dungeon, the group had a PLD tank that was using clemency during trash pulls in Dohn Mheg, which was understandable because the trash hits HARD in that place. Our mentor was playing SCH, so you can probably guess what was happening. The mentor just snapped and started flaming the PLD hard for using clemency, it went on and on throughout the dungeon until we all had enough and just kicked the mentor. We didn't wipe once during all of it either.

Made me look at mentors a little bit differently.

[weiss]

i say that toxicity is an issue in every game.
it just depends if you ever run into those peoples or into someone which got up with the wrong feet this morning etc.

the toxic stuff is in FF14 in general lesser because in FF14 are the GM´s way more active, look into stuff and if needed gets the offender thrown for an hour into the GM jail. (which is the first punishment tho, it can go more worse if you continue with it)

so, in general will you experience this stuff not much in FF14.
some say that toxic behavior is greatly surpressed by the FF14 GM team and you have no freedom of speech. for example, you could insult someone irl and not getting thrown into prison (well, depends on who you insult tho but am talking about the avarage not popular and not political person) and going your way.

but me in person find it good how they do it in FF14.
it avoids that too many of those WoW peoples throw their tantrum at new players.
like we was in sastasha teff was healer, me ninja and the other dps totally flipped out that the sprout tank does not multimob pulls etc.
me and teff was like "dude its a sprout tank let him learn he´s literarly lv 16 and new, do you ever look at peoples informations when you enter a dungeon?" he bickered the whole dungeon around to the first boss and we just told the tank to ignore him, the other dps then left after the first boss. and we told the tank to just blacklist peoples like that if you run into them etc.


so yea, toxic behavior definitly exists ... but in which MMO does it not exist? x3

[shin]

people will be indirectly toxic, thats all ive experienced. doesnt help anyone just tell me what i did wrong instead of making a generalization and having me be confused lmao