Is toxicity an issue in this game?

[Katgoop]

Semi-new player here that loves MMORPG's. So far, this is the only mmorpg that I've played that has had COUNTLESS of toxic encounters, dungeons alone. Both towards me or other players. Back before I played this, I believed that WoW was toxic, alongside a few other RPG-esque games I've played. I even play ESO as my main game, but holy gods, this game alone, in about 20 hours average, I've met over a dozen toxic players. Is toxicity an issue, or am I just unlucky?
I've heard from alot of people that this game has a great community and all that, something I wish I could keep believing, but yikes. I'm getting the short end of the stick.

[Sauriel]

Messaggio originale di Rubijox:

Tbh this game is just as toxic as any other, the only difference is that people can't always be openly toxic since they'll get banned or muted, or some other punishment, since it's against TOS.

If you pull by accident you often get tanks that will just stand there and stop doing anything deliberately so you die, especially mentors.

If you're a sprout people are usually a bit nicer but that's not always the case... been told before that i was ''pretty demanding for a sprout" simply for asking if we could let the adds spawn in aurum vale back when mobs gave exp.

You can also come across healers that will simply stop healing you at all if they believe you are playing the game wrong... though i haven't seen that many of those...

interesting with the tos, although would it count to post countless saved logs on steam as a thread. wouldnt do anything to the people, though their friends would read it and then theirs so on. probably. Not that i'll do it but put it out there

[GrayAngel117]

To be honest, I haven't had a single issue when playing. 3-400 hours and I think the only issue with Toxicity was a tank complaining about autumn vale's design. Although, I have noticed that it does matter what data center and server you're in, why all the toxic and unprofessional prefer certain servers I'll never know.

I'm sorry that this has happened to you and hope you have better luck with randoms from now on. I understand helping new players learn and old players remember mechanics, but being an A** is just not the way to go. Don't let them get to you.

[AnvilMAn]

depends on your definition of toxic, personally i consider people too lazy to google mechanics and going into dungeons/raids blind to be toxic

[Jay Tee]

Most people enable toxic behavior. As others mention, PF leaders have 0 obligation to anyone.

While most people kick the toxic person out or leave the party entirely.

[Izeyash]

Messaggio originale di Seraphita:

Messaggio originale di AnvilMAn:

depends on your definition of toxic, personally i consider people too lazy to google mechanics and going into dungeons/raids blind to be toxic

...Then you have a very delusional definition of toxic. A game isn't meant to be played by guides. A game is meant to be discovered by playing it. It's like people forgot that guides existed in gaming only to help players find secrets and etc, not to spoil the game for you.

If I'm toxic because I enjoy my games without someone spoiling me then too bad for you. I only use a guide IF I have issues with a duty and I need help figuring how to get through it. (This is why practice PF exists anyway.) Same reason I allow others to do mistakes in duties and I don't spoil every mechanics for them. It's all part of discovering and learning. >.>

Then your definition is actually scewed quite hard. There are blind parties for what you describe.

If the people join a PF which specifies a strat and you need to know 'em beforehand, that's quite literally toxic: deliberately wasting 7 other peoples time.

Same with people on MAX LEVEL not knowing their rotation. The ingame tooltips are quite straightforward and there is no reason to not use your entire kit, yet we still see cure1 mages, heal only healers, freestyle samurais, bunny ninjas, non-dotting BRD's, you catch my drift.

You're not toxic for enjoying the games blind. You're toxic for expecting others to comfort that playstyle of yours without prior consent.

I can tell you are one of those that actually enable casual toxicity, regardless of context.

Noone says anything against discovering and learning, but at some point people are lagging behind for a multitude of reasons; and if these people expect others to pick up their slack that's IS toxic.

Do a practice PF, as you said. Tell people beforehand.

[Last Place]

I've only encountered a few rare cases of people being dumb in a few thousand hours of gameplay over the years on EU servers. Most of the time it's just
"hey, [player name] can you do [mechanic/thing/turn on stance]"
"oops, yea"
"cool, cheers"


I did level a char on a USA server and people did seem to be quick to anger and prone to sabotaging the run if asked something basic. Although I did see this less and less as I moved from ARR to HeavensWard and so on. Only 1 in 200 dungeon runs in Endwalker would have people that gave up as soon as they could and start hurling insults.

[Izeyash]

Messaggio originale di Seraphita:

Messaggio originale di Izeyash:

I can tell you are one of those that actually enable casual toxicity, regardless of context.

Quite ironic coming from you, with all of your izeyashenanigans. "I can assume whatever I want about you because I can." Not toxic at all but you're gonna pretend you're not the problem, as you always have. Nobody said to go blind in a completion PF, learn to read.

I specifically replied that because they mentioned dungeons in their post. Dungeons are casual content and you don't need to watch a guide for them. Oh but wait... "Failure is a waste of my time", right? Of course YOU would think that. I bet wipes make you ragequit. 🙄

Messaggio originale di Izeyash:

Then your definition is actually scewed quite hard. There are blind parties for what you describe.

Thank you for your concern but no, my definition is well placed. I've been a gamer long enough to understand how gaming works. You seem to forget I also precisely mentioned "practice PFs" which are made to practice and learn the mechanics. Go bother others.

Imagine being at this point in time where people in FF14 cry at you for not watching a guide or someone else playing content before you play it yourself because "muh time". Faith in humanity is low but thankfully, it's only a few of you. (It's a non-issue in other mmos.)

I'm not concerned about you, just correcting you. If you take offense to that, that's a you problem.

Additionally, I'm quite good reading between the lines and judging people based on their behavior, and more often than not I'm spot on. So, can't really change my mind on that outlook.

Your reply is gonna be a bunch of buzzwords anyways, so have fun with that I guess.

[causality]

Messaggio originale di Seraphita:

Well, good that I don't really give a crap about you.

That was kind of mean.

[Izeyash]

Messaggio originale di Seraphita:

Messaggio originale di Izeyash:

Your reply is gonna be a bunch of buzzwords anyways, so have fun with that I guess.

Bahaha, nice edit. This is your usual cop-out when you don't know what to say, anyway...

If you noticed, that edit happened just a few seconds after you posted your reply. I didn't even see it until the page refreshed when I made that edit.

It's not a copout, but you seem to be on copium. I suggest taking less of that.

To anyone reading this, this is the actual toxicity found in the game. People that believe themselves to be the compass of the moral high ground while doing nothing. Have fun with those enabling even more toxic behavior in game.

Edit: The "Great Community btw" meme? Yeah, that's because of that.

[Izeyash]

Messaggio originale di Seraphita:

Messaggio originale di Izeyash:

If you noticed, that edit happened just a few seconds after you posted your reply. I didn't even see it until the page refreshed when I made that edit.

It's not a copout, but you seem to be on copium. I suggest taking less of that.

To anyone reading this, this is the actual toxicity found in the game. People that believe themselves to be the compass of the moral high ground while doing nothing. Have fun with those enabling even more toxic behavior in game.

Wtf... Well, as I said before, this thread about toxicity is a gift that keeps giving, after all.

Truly, a leader by example.

vewwy sneaky edit for seraphita to call out: *whispering* they actually want to have the last word regardless of what I would have written

[Oberon]

Messaggio originale di AnvilMAn:

depends on your definition of toxic, personally i consider people too lazy to google mechanics and going into dungeons/raids blind to be toxic

So is everyone toxic the day a new raid comes out or...?

[Dragon Master]

I don't think that toxicity is a big issue in FF14, or at least it is nowhere near as overt as it was when I was playing WoW.

I think I only dealt with two outright hostile people, and that was back in ARR.

One was in a Garuda trial; I said it was my first time so I didn't know the mechanics and I was a monk. The healer was also new and was also their first time. So when it came to hiding behind the rocks I didn't notice everyone running behind them until it was too late as I was focused on my hotbar and I think the healer was busy healing so both me and the healer died. The tank started tearing into us about it and we wiped. I say the tank was toxic because he ended up just standing there not doing anything because he was too busy typing out all the ways we sucked. The other DPS voted to kick him and a new tank joined immediately and the machinist player explained the mechanics to me and the healer.

The second was someone in my first Free Company who got preemptively defensive about FF14 when I mentioned I was originally from WoW. They basically started trying to trash talk WoW and me for even wanting to play it,

There is a saying I've heard about WoW players and FFXIV players that is kind of accurate. WoW players will attack their game because they know it deserves it but keeps playing it while FFXIV players will defend their game even when it doesn't need it.

Sometimes the people who feel the need to defend FFXIV take it too far and sometimes they start out interactions with others preemptively defending the game when they find out you played WoW, and sometimes they do both at once.

[Izeyash]

Messaggio originale di Dragon Master:

I don't think that toxicity is a big issue in FF14, or at least it is nowhere near as overt as it was when I was playing WoW.

I think I only dealt with two outright hostile people, and that was back in ARR.

One was in a Garuda trial; I said it was my first time so I didn't know the mechanics and I was a monk. The healer was also new and was also their first time. So when it came to hiding behind the rocks I didn't notice everyone running behind them until it was too late as I was focused on my hotbar and I think the healer was busy healing so both me and the healer died. The tank started tearing into us about it and we wiped. I say the tank was toxic because he ended up just standing there not doing anything because he was too busy typing out all the ways we sucked. The other DPS voted to kick him and a new tank joined immediately and the machinist player explained the mechanics to me and the healer.

The second was someone in my first Free Company who got preemptively defensive about FF14 when I mentioned I was originally from WoW. They basically started trying to trash talk WoW and me for even wanting to play it,

There is a saying I've heard about WoW players and FFXIV players that is kind of accurate. WoW players will attack their game because they know it deserves it but keeps playing it while FFXIV players will defend their game even when it doesn't need it.

Sometimes the people who feel the need to defend FFXIV take it too far and sometimes they start out interactions with others preemptively defending the game when they find out you played WoW, and sometimes they do both at once.

You really don't need to mention WoW to turn fanatics of this game into outright apologists for the game.

Any sort of criticism towards the game or its playerbase is enough for people to flock to you and tell you how you're wrong.

I will demonstrate this shortly.

[Malfeasance]

Messaggio originale di Dragon Master:

The second was someone in my first Free Company who got preemptively defensive about FF14 when I mentioned I was originally from WoW. They basically started trying to trash talk WoW and me for even wanting to play it,

That's a yikes. My FC master befriended me and extended an invite to the FC in the first place largely because I came from WoW. No one batted an eye.

Messaggio originale di Dragon Master:

FFXIV players will defend their game even when it doesn't need it.

Some will defend it even when it absolutely doesn't deserve to be. I have to assume those people haven't actually played any other MMO to gain a frame of reference and are just going off of things they've heard.

Messaggio originale di Izeyash:

I will demonstrate this shortly.

All you gotta do is suggest that ARR is completely skippable content and that you will be well enough off if you just read a plot synopsis for it and spend a small amount of time at a training dummy figuring out how to play your level 50 job.

[Oberon]

Messaggio originale di Malfeasance:

Messaggio originale di Izeyash:

I will demonstrate this shortly.

All you gotta do is suggest that ARR is completely skippable content and that you will be well enough off if you just read a plot synopsis for it and spend a small amount of time at a training dummy figuring out how to play your level 50 job.

Last time someone suggested that, they linked to a synopsis that skipped anything in HW that wasn't about Nidhogg, so it only covered less than half of the expansion.

A synopsis isn't something I wouldn't recommend, but at the very least shop around and get a good, in-depth synopsis.