Subpar story, terrible writing, bad quest design. Why FFXIV is overrated.

[WookieeAssassin]

As the title implies, FFXIV has to be one, if not the most overrated game ever. I know the fanboys will get their panties in a bunch and feel offended (as if I cared), but denying its flaws turns the devs complacent, more than they already are.

Quest design is just bad, tedious and extremely boring. To solve just one quest you have to walk to and fro and talk with at least three NPCs, all of which will go into lengthy platitudes that do little to advance the story or resolve said quest. Bad writing is bad, these quest chains could be easily solved with one NPC and way less self-indulgent exposition.

Speaking of bad storytelling, the plot has never been good. It's vague, horridly and needlessly ambiguous, and at least too long by half. Endwalker wins the cake here. To make matters worse, in addition to poorly developed 'villains', it turns out that by the end you must and have to feel sorry for them because they're misunderstood, never mind that one of them is schizophrenic and the other one a sociopath, both of them genocidal. It's ridiculous, there's no payout and only fake and far-fetched catharsis. I'm actually sorry I spent so much time on this travesty that Yoshi-P has dared to call 'game'. If anything, it feels more like the selfishly fulfilled fantasy (pun intended) of a failed writer and subpar programmer.

[WookieeAssassin]

Sunny eredeti hozzászólása:

Wookiee eredeti hozzászólása:

fifis

feefees. it's feefees. It's spelled FEELINGS, not fillings.

Wookiee eredeti hozzászólása:

No one talks to anyone on a general channel for fear of 'offending' or 'hurting' someone's feelings and getting reported/banned for it.

Nobody talks on a general channel because there is no general channel. If nobody talks to you in the many, many ways we are given to hang out with our friends in game, I posit that the reason is self-evident.

Sure.

Crazy people don't know they're crazy.

Did you know that?

[Sunny]

Wookiee eredeti hozzászólása:

Crazy people don't know they're crazy.

Did you know that?

So what about when somebody knows they're crazy? I totally am, after all. I still have linkshells with RL friends from across 5 different servers on it, tho.

[WookieeAssassin]

Sunny eredeti hozzászólása:

Wookiee eredeti hozzászólása:

Crazy people don't know they're crazy.

Did you know that?

So what about when somebody knows they're crazy? I totally am, after all. I still have linkshells with RL friends from across 5 different servers on it, tho.

Shhhh, it will be okay.

[Sunny]

Wookiee eredeti hozzászólása:

Shhhh, it will be okay.

What will be?

[Oberon]

Wookiee eredeti hozzászólása:

Aphelium eredeti hozzászólása:

If we read the OP, we can see how it's full of inflamatory sentences, blatantly false statements, and plain ignorance of what they're talking about. It's pretty obvious what this is.

There's plenty of threads with actual valid criticism that are not categorized as trolls, this one however, is pretty much confirmed. He's used every single troll trope we're used to see in these forums, and not only that, OP even selected as an answer the only person that defends him, while calling people fanboys. Someone, by the way, who we already dealt with in another thread, confirmed he wanted to troll people, etc.

I'm sorry your fifis got hurt...NOT!

Cry more, punk, and drink a gallon of copium, LOL!!

On a more serious note: You need professional help. Your delusions and need for everything to be as you wish are harming you.

Tell me again how you aren't a troll.

[causality]

Generally speaking the story is bad because it's written for a teenage audience. Yoshi P said on a live letter stream before that they wanted the game to be more mature but corporate SE needed it to retain the Teen rating for sales. That is why you see all the boring Shounen tropes which plague the Shounen genre. It's a matter of appealing to a certain demographic.

[Dragon Master]

causality eredeti hozzászólása:

Generally speaking the story is bad because it's written for a teenage audience. Yoshi P said on a live letter stream before that they wanted the game to be more mature but corporate SE needed it to retain the Teen rating for sales. That is why you see all the boring Shounen tropes which plague the Shounen genre. It's a matter of appealing to a certain demographic. :lunar2019piginablanket:

And appealing to a certain demographic can still be incredibly popular to others, especially if it is well-written, like FFXIV is.

People today say Star Wars is for kids but the original trilogy and all the novels, comics and even the prequels had fans of all ages and always has.

Stories can be mature without being explicit, be rated t for teen or for general audiences, and still appeal to a wide audience, just like FFXIV does.

The story of FFXIV is very mature and gets very dark, dealing with sex slavery, human trafficking, racism, the working class being exploited, the desperate taking their frustrations out on those who don’t deserve it, broken promises, betrayal and massive natural disasters.

It is just not explicit. Yet all those dark and mature topics were in the game before they added blood in Heavensward, way back in ARR and only continue moving forward.

[Izeyash]

causality eredeti hozzászólása:

Generally speaking the story is bad because it's written for a teenage audience. Yoshi P said on a live letter stream before that they wanted the game to be more mature but corporate SE needed it to retain the Teen rating for sales. That is why you see all the boring Shounen tropes which plague the Shounen genre. It's a matter of appealing to a certain demographic. :lunar2019piginablanket:

How come that there are tons of other stories that are just plain better even though they come from the same thing SE executives wanted them to copy? I know that the medium matters but still, in my opinion that is of secondary importance in this case.

It's clear that, aside from a few shock moments, that this games' story is only good when compared to other MMO's, as a standalone story it's really subpar.

I still watched the story cause that's in part what I paid for, but I often wished that the engine was given to someone else entirely for them to make something great.

On an unrelated sidenote: I told you they HAVE to have the last word, otherwise they won't stop.

[Aphelium]

Wookiee eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm sorry your fifis got hurt...NOT!

Cry more, punk, and drink a gallon of copium, LOL!!

On a more serious note: You need professional help. Your delusions and need for everything to be as you wish are harming you.

#NOTATROLL
Sigh... Someone needs to grow up...

[weiss]

ryoko GOGO eredeti hozzászólása:

Wookiee eredeti hozzászólása:

It was not my intention to troll anyone. The fanboys got salty, I just tagged along for the ride. Their tears of hate feed me.

Either way, fanboy’s like to gatekeep a money hungry franchise owned by a company that doesnt care at all about them, weird hill to cry on for them.

if this would be the case would FF14 be like WoW where devs give a ♥♥♥♥ about the communities opinion and doing their own stuff. tho granted, it got a little bit better in WoW but devs still dont play their own game vs FF14 devs which do this.

in anycase.
ARR is FF14´s biggest problem, everyone agree´s with that. but peoples often forget to take into account that they had backthen not much to safe the game but they managed it and used the money for HW which is WAY better then ARR. the problem is that peoples are poisoned from ARR aka "god this is so bland and boring, i just skip" and doing the same in HW and the rest and then say "its the same like in ARR".

at the end, peoples which are not into story driven MMO´s should stay away from FF14 simply because you HAVE to go through the story (unless you buy the skip and having absolute no clue wtf goes on afterwards ^.^)

[WookieeAssassin]

causality eredeti hozzászólása:

Generally speaking the story is bad because it's written for a teenage audience. Yoshi P said on a live letter stream before that they wanted the game to be more mature but corporate SE needed it to retain the Teen rating for sales. That is why you see all the boring Shounen tropes which plague the Shounen genre. It's a matter of appealing to a certain demographic. :lunar2019piginablanket:

Aaaaah, This I didn't know. Now it makes sense, kind of.

Thanks for clarifying this for me. : )

[WookieeAssassin]

Dragon Master eredeti hozzászólása:

causality eredeti hozzászólása:

Generally speaking the story is bad because it's written for a teenage audience. Yoshi P said on a live letter stream before that they wanted the game to be more mature but corporate SE needed it to retain the Teen rating for sales. That is why you see all the boring Shounen tropes which plague the Shounen genre. It's a matter of appealing to a certain demographic. :lunar2019piginablanket:

And appealing to a certain demographic can still be incredibly popular to others, especially if it is well-written, like FFXIV is.

People today say Star Wars is for kids but the original trilogy and all the novels, comics and even the prequels had fans of all ages and always has.

Stories can be mature without being explicit, be rated t for teen or for general audiences, and still appeal to a wide audience, just like FFXIV does.

The story of FFXIV is very mature and gets very dark, dealing with sex slavery, human trafficking, racism, the working class being exploited, the desperate taking their frustrations out on those who don’t deserve it, broken promises, betrayal and massive natural disasters.

It is just not explicit. Yet all those dark and mature topics were in the game before they added blood in Heavensward, way back in ARR and only continue moving forward.

Yes. I agree with you.

The problem for me is how they end up 'resolving' these conflicts, which mostly entails people being nice to each other. It breaks immersion for me because it's unrealistic. Perhaps the best Xpac for me was Shadowbringers, but even that one was plagued with the 'power of friendship', which brings it from a 10 all the way down to a 4.

[weiss]

so, with other words, you just want never ending conflict or one of both parties completely die´s out and only then would you give it a higher rating then a 4. or did i missunderstood that? o-o

[WookieeAssassin]

Seraphita eredeti hozzászólása:

Chiro eredeti hozzászólása:

so, with other words, you just want never ending conflict or one of both parties completely die´s out and only then would you give it a higher rating then a 4. or did i missunderstood that? o-o

Imagine hating a game because people are friendly with each others. Since clearly we're all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ then such thing as "friendship" can't be realistic and so it breaks the immersion.

If he's not trolling then he's ignorant and/or talking out of his ass. I don't think he is well placed to judge the story of the game. One can criticise a story if they have valid points to make but this is just so ridiculous that it's unbelievable that he's serious about any of it.

I can see how friendly you are. So much it's scary and I'm not surprised you're a middle aged, single woman.

How is that wall treating you? If you're lucky some psycho killer could marry you from prison, though I'm quite sure he would rather stay inside than with you after he met you in person.

Good luck, you're going to need it.

[WookieeAssassin]

Chiro eredeti hozzászólása:

so, with other words, you just want never ending conflict or one of both parties completely die´s out and only then would you give it a higher rating then a 4. or did i missunderstood that? o-o

If you read at least a little you'd have a slight idea of how storytelling works.

As it is, I'd be happy if you at least read the ingredient list on your corn flakes.