Subpar story, terrible writing, bad quest design. Why FFXIV is overrated.

[WookieeAssassin]

As the title implies, FFXIV has to be one, if not the most overrated game ever. I know the fanboys will get their panties in a bunch and feel offended (as if I cared), but denying its flaws turns the devs complacent, more than they already are.

Quest design is just bad, tedious and extremely boring. To solve just one quest you have to walk to and fro and talk with at least three NPCs, all of which will go into lengthy platitudes that do little to advance the story or resolve said quest. Bad writing is bad, these quest chains could be easily solved with one NPC and way less self-indulgent exposition.

Speaking of bad storytelling, the plot has never been good. It's vague, horridly and needlessly ambiguous, and at least too long by half. Endwalker wins the cake here. To make matters worse, in addition to poorly developed 'villains', it turns out that by the end you must and have to feel sorry for them because they're misunderstood, never mind that one of them is schizophrenic and the other one a sociopath, both of them genocidal. It's ridiculous, there's no payout and only fake and far-fetched catharsis. I'm actually sorry I spent so much time on this travesty that Yoshi-P has dared to call 'game'. If anything, it feels more like the selfishly fulfilled fantasy (pun intended) of a failed writer and subpar programmer.

[causality]

Wookiee původně napsal:

As the title implies, FFXIV has to be one, if not the most overrated game ever. I know the fanboys will get their panties in a bunch and feel offended (as if I cared), but denying its flaws turns the devs complacent, more than they already are.

Quest design is just bad, tedious and extremely boring. To solve just one quest you have to walk to and fro and talk with at least three NPCs, all of which will go into lengthy platitudes that do little to advance the story or resolve said quest. Bad writing is bad, these quest chains could be easily solved with one NPC and way less self-indulgent exposition.

Speaking of bad storytelling, the plot has never been good. It's vague, horridly and needlessly ambiguous, and at least too long by half. Endwalker wins the cake here. To make matters worse, in addition to poorly developed 'villains', it turns out that by the end you must and have to feel sorry for them because they're misunderstood, never mind that one of them is schizophrenic and the other one a sociopath, both of them genocidal. It's ridiculous, there's no payout and only fake and far-fetched catharsis. I'm actually sorry I spent so much time on this travesty that Yoshi-P has dared to call 'game'. If anything, it feels more like the selfishly fulfilled fantasy (pun intended) of a failed writer and subpar programmer.

The answer is a neurotic obsession with cat and lizard girls.

[Oberon]

ryoko GOGO původně napsal:

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

Did your friend make sure to explain that ARR was the fix?

Arr is the first portion,

It's the first portion of this game, but the second iteration of FF14, which was a completely different and separate game.

ryoko GOGO původně napsal:

i meant to say to the og post that after ARR you get heavensward and the game gets immensely better.

I don't know why people say this, I've been through ARR multiple times and never had any problems.

ryoko GOGO původně napsal:

ARR is just boring since it was ff14 patched back together with extra stuff added to make it more fun.

Which is...not true, or at least an extremely simplified version of events. ARR is a completely different game, built from the ground up, with the story continuing 5 years after the end of 1.0.

I don't think your friend gave you an accurate summation of the game's history.

[Dragon Master]

ryoko GOGO původně napsal:

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

Did your friend make sure to explain that ARR was the fix?

Arr is the first portion, i meant to say to the og post that after ARR you get heavensward and the game gets immensely better. ARR is just boring since it was ff14 patched back together with extra stuff added to make it more fun.

ARR is actually 2.0.

I recommend looking up the series "The Fall and Rise of Final Fantasy XIV" on youtube. It covers the history of FFXIV and how bad it was to the point that the entire Final Fantasy franchise was damaged and how ARR fixed things and only improved from there.

[Dragon Master]

Seraphita původně napsal:

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

I don't know why people say this, I've been through ARR multiple times and never had any problems..

Most likely because these people find ARR boring compared to how the story really starts being more spicy at Heavensward and over. ARR is the introduction of the game so I don't see the problem myself. The game had to start somewhere. ARR is the big start of FF14.

It's not even that bad as some of the veterans make it out to be.

The difference is is that ARR has to take upon itself the world building and character establishment so we know who is who, what is what and why it all ties together. It takes its time to set things up so the heavy bits hit hard, the moments of levity feel earned and appreciated and the characters growth can be established.

Everything after ARR makes use of the world building ARR took the time set up and can have a faster paced story as a result because the world has already been established, its rules made known and we have gotten to know the characters by then.

[Frost]

Seraphita původně napsal:

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

I don't know why people say this, I've been through ARR multiple times and never had any problems..

Most likely because these people find ARR boring compared to how the story really starts being more spicy at Heavensward and over. ARR is the introduction of the game so I don't see the problem myself. The game had to start somewhere. ARR is the big start of FF14.

I think part of the problem is exactly that, people constantly hear and are told how much 'better' Heavensward gets, so people are going into the game with an already biased opinion on ARR. They want to get to the 'good' parts and skip all of the 'bad' parts.

ARR has it's rough edges, but at face value it is completely playable with lots of fun to be had.

[Angrypillow]

People really need to stop rewarding bad trolls with free steam points.

[Frost]

Seraphita původně napsal:

Well, I'm only saying what most people say. In MY opinion, I completely agree with you. I would not have enjoyed FFXIV as much without the ARR part. I loved to find about all the characters and lores that were going to stay with me for a long time. So yes, ARR is fine.

Agreed. I wasn't calling you out specifically, just wanted to be clear.

[Ryoko Panic]

Dragon Master původně napsal:

ryoko GOGO původně napsal:

Arr is the first portion, i meant to say to the og post that after ARR you get heavensward and the game gets immensely better. ARR is just boring since it was ff14 patched back together with extra stuff added to make it more fun.

ARR is actually 2.0.

I recommend looking up the series "The Fall and Rise of Final Fantasy XIV" on youtube. It covers the history of FFXIV and how bad it was to the point that the entire Final Fantasy franchise was damaged and how ARR fixed things and only improved from there.

I meant that in my previous post, the game was bunk got revamped with arr and then gets better from there, thats all i meant. It sounded like the OG post was complaining about story progression, etc. so i chimed in with the fact that there are more stories in the expansions.

[DEADHEAD]

To give you credit youre right about quest design in ffxiv being terrible.

but endwalker quests that you can walk and talk to npc was a nice touch so it is a few points for square enix on that

[WookieeAssassin]

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

Obvious troll thread is obvious.

I have read most of your replies. Sadly, few of the fanboys, if any, addressed my comments directly and did what fanboys do, resort to attacks ad hominis rather than make a clear or valid statement to refute mine.

The most common answer includes, and I'm just paraphrasing: 'I feel sorry for you' or 'Your life is bad' or 'Something is wrong with you' or "uR PrOFiLe iZ pRiBatE, WhaT rU hiDiNg?'

All of them could be true, or not. But the issue still stands. FFXIV is an overrated game made 'great' by people with too much time in their hands and not enough critical thinking or a hint of independent thought. If you want to feel sorry for someone, I'd start by looking at the mirror followed by a thorough re-examination of my life.

[Aphelium]

Wookiee původně napsal:

The Mayor of Murder Town původně napsal:

Obvious troll thread is obvious.

I have read most of your replies. Sadly, few of the fanboys, if any, addressed my comments directly and did what fanboys do, resort to attacks ad hominis rather than make a clear or valid statement to refute mine.

The most common answer includes, and I'm just paraphrasing: 'I feel sorry for you' or 'Your life is bad' or 'Something is wrong with you' or "uR PrOFiLe iZ pRiBatE, WhaT rU hiDiNg?'

All of them could be true, or not. But the issue still stands. FFXIV is an overrated game made 'great' by people with too much time in their hands and not enough critical thinking or a hint of independent thought. If you want to feel sorry for someone, I'd start by looking at the mirror followed by a thorough re-examination of my life.

Thanks for confirming with even MORE inflamatory terms, what we thought this was...
An obvious bait.
Was it really that bad, seeing people not being salty about the thread, that you had to try to move it back on the track you wanted?

[WookieeAssassin]

Aphelium původně napsal:

Wookiee původně napsal:

I have read most of your replies. Sadly, few of the fanboys, if any, addressed my comments directly and did what fanboys do, resort to attacks ad hominis rather than make a clear or valid statement to refute mine.

The most common answer includes, and I'm just paraphrasing: 'I feel sorry for you' or 'Your life is bad' or 'Something is wrong with you' or "uR PrOFiLe iZ pRiBatE, WhaT rU hiDiNg?'

All of them could be true, or not. But the issue still stands. FFXIV is an overrated game made 'great' by people with too much time in their hands and not enough critical thinking or a hint of independent thought. If you want to feel sorry for someone, I'd start by looking at the mirror followed by a thorough re-examination of my life.

Thanks for confirming with even MORE inflamatory terms, what we thought this was...
An obvious bait.
Was it really that bad, seeing people not being salty about the thread, that you had to try to move it back on the track you wanted?

Obvious bait? It's nothing of the sort. It's a statement of facts.

Any of you being salty is something I care little about.

[Aidenel]

Wookiee původně napsal:

Aphelium původně napsal:

Thanks for confirming with even MORE inflamatory terms, what we thought this was...
An obvious bait.
Was it really that bad, seeing people not being salty about the thread, that you had to try to move it back on the track you wanted?

Obvious bait? It's nothing of the sort. It's a statement of facts.

Any of you being salty is something I care little about.

It's not a fact though, the entire OP is a huge opinion that you try and pass off as a fact.

[Aphelium]

Wookiee původně napsal:

Aphelium původně napsal:

Thanks for confirming with even MORE inflamatory terms, what we thought this was...
An obvious bait.
Was it really that bad, seeing people not being salty about the thread, that you had to try to move it back on the track you wanted?

Obvious bait? It's nothing of the sort. It's a statement of facts.

Any of you being salty is something I care little about.

It's definetly bait... And what's better... you're so salty about people not taking it and going on with their own conversations, that you came back to spew even more BS to try to reconduce it to what you wanted.
This is flame bait, nothing more, nothing less...
If you're really that desperate for points, just tell me, and I'll give you a few so you can leave them alone speaking about what they want.

[WookieeAssassin]

Aphelium původně napsal:

Wookiee původně napsal:

Obvious bait? It's nothing of the sort. It's a statement of facts.

Any of you being salty is something I care little about.

It's definetly bait... And what's better... you're so salty about people not taking it and going on with their own conversations, that you came back to spew even more BS to try to reconduce it to what you wanted.
This is flame bait, nothing more, nothing less...
If you're really that desperate for points, just tell me, and I'll give you a few so you can leave them alone speaking about what they want.

What just happened?

Alright, I'll give you this. If, indeed, my whole purpose was making the fanboys salty, well, you just fulfilled this 'need', however unaware you're of it.

Like I said, lack of critical thinking.

I'm not sure what Steam points or what you can possibly use them for (eat them in a taco, maybe?), but feel free to drop as many as you like.

Cheers, mate.

P.S. Please relax and don't burst a blood vessel in your brain.