Alliance Raid is always Circus Tower / World of Darkness

[Saibot]

^Title and it sucks.
These two alliance raids come way too often. There should be a system that sees: "okay you had 5 circus tower in a row and therefore reduce the chance of getting it" but no... 4 Weeks of doing daily Alliance Raids and its 20/28 Times one of these two and I can't.

If I see Circus Tower or World of Darkness I rather take the penalty of 30 Minutes and move on instead of doing it again. I cant.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Eldritch Warden:

Just make it so that you always need high ilvl, depending on your lvl. If you are level 90 you'll need 600 ilvl atm, no excuses. The ilvl requirement should always at the very least be equal to the min ilvl required by the highest alliance raid available to you at the level you are. lvl 79 ? You must have enough ilvl to enter Orbonne Monastery. Level 86 ? You must be ready to listen to some Keichi Okabe/ Masayoshi Soken crossover.

Imo they should add a check if you already cleared the alliance raid. "You cleared it already? Well then your gear should be sufficient, you go to your highest cleared raid now!". No need to add an extra iLvl requirement.


That whole CT Raid spam got me to the point that I don't even sign up for Alliance roulette anymore. I am sick of these raids. Tho I've been thinking about signing up for SB-Raids specifically just to ♥♥♥♥ people up because they want easy mode CT. >:3 Already worked pretty well with Puppets and damn some people go nuts if they dont get their easy mode.

[Malfeasance]

Originally posted by Mia Cari:

Imo they should add a check if you already cleared the alliance raid. "You cleared it already? Well then your gear should be sufficient, you go to your highest cleared raid now!".

And how do you intend to fill lower level runs that sprouts are doing? Getting CT is necessary sometimes, regardless of anything else. SE just needs to fix the ilvl cheese and go off your character's level to determine the pool of raids you are eligible for.

Obviously another issue is just that some people just haven't unlocked the 60-80 raids, so the chances of getting those are inherently lower than CT.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Malfeasance:

And how do you intend to fill lower level runs that sprouts are doing? Getting CT is necessary sometimes, regardless of anything else. SE just needs to fix the ilvl cheese and go off your character's level to determine the pool of raids you are eligible for.

Obviously another issue is just that some people just haven't unlocked the 60-80 raids, so the chances of getting those are inherently lower than CT.

The "highest cleared raid" was meant as an example and not as an enforced rule. I assumed that this was clear...
If CT is required because people need it then I am all in. However if you get CT and see at least 5 people putting back on their gear and not even a single sprout in the whole alliance nor a cutscene at all it's very clear that this group could've easily been matched on a higher raid.

[Malfeasance]

Originally posted by Mia Cari:

I assumed that this was clear...

And we all know what happens when you assume.

Originally posted by Mia Cari:

it's very clear that this group could've easily been matched on a higher raid.

But it's not since some of those people may not have the other raids unlocked and therefore CT is the only option for them regardless.

[Aidenel]

Originally posted by Drakzen:

Originally posted by Lenn:

How about this idea then.
You get exp depending on your gear score, so if you go in with a gear score of 70, you will get roulette exp as if you are level 50. this also means if you go in with a gear score below 560(the level 89 class gear) you will NOT get the level 90 roulette tomes.

They would just equip better gear once they get in thus gaining the maximum amount.

at the point of queueing ofcourse.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Malfeasance:

But it's not since some of those people may not have the other raids unlocked and therefore CT is the only option for them regardless.

For those who remove their gear CT is definetely NOT their only option. Otherwise they wouldn't remove gear. Again, this should be clear given the context.

But here, a more detailed description:
If CT is the only option for those who are signing up because they a) need to clear it or b) they haven't unlocked any higher raid then fill the group. But if the group that gets assembled has almost all people with e.g. copied cleared and the remaining players needing to clear it and one person having removed their gear they still should get matched into Copied, regardless of that one person who can't press more than 1-2-3.
Otherwise the people who need to clear copied would not get matched because "oh hey look, we have a full group for CT in 10 min while the copied people are waiting for 1h minimum already."

Do you need an even more detailed description or do you NOW get my point?

[Malfeasance]

Originally posted by Mia Cari:

For those who remove their gear CT is definetely NOT their only option.

I mean maybe I'm just dumb, and I certainly wouldn't discount it, but "this group" generally implies the whole thing. 5 people are almost certainly not causing a CT pop alone. If you covered that in your "more detailed description" then apologies but I didn't read it.

[Fal]

i made a post about this on the official forum but i doubt they will ever fix it since most players are happy with the current model, and its a shame especially for new players trying the other raids, since it take hours to queue for one depending on the time zone/datacenter
took me +- 50 min in queue for each of the SB alliance raids on my alt and starting right after the daily reset on the other hand i get insta queue for ARR raid all day long.
if anyone is interested here is the post

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/456953-Suggestion-Duty-roulette-rewards

[Kitsune Dzelda]

Lifes a Syrcus and then you cry.

[weiss]

Originally posted by Saibot:

Originally posted by Seraphita:

I don't understand the issue with roulette. All we care about is the exp (of the roulette) and the tomes, no? Like, sure. Always the same ones get repetitive but roulette is for rewards.

By the way, I got the FINAL alliance raid on my last Roulette. I admit that it felt refreshing.

Thats the whole point - of course its for EXP and leveling but if its not something else from time to time its just annoying.
Its like you eating pizza for two weeks straight. First few are excellent but it falls off quickly and becomes an annoyance after the 10th time and duty roulette is the same. I don't want the same ARR Alliance raids ALL THE TIME. I want variety.

Thats the whole point of a ROULETTE or not?

if you care so much for the exp, queue up for dungeons which are in your level range. like if you are lv 35, do sunken tempel and so on. because if a duty is exactly your level gives it as much as if you would do a roulette with the bonus experience. ofcourse would you get more if you get lucky aka you do roulette and the duty which got choosen is close or exactly your level, then you will get more but. the bonus exp solely exists to compensate the exp loss when you roll a low level duty torwards your level.

if anyone says "exp is synced" no. that is not the case. do a low level duty without roulette with lv 81 and then afterwards do tower of zoth. you will see that the experience between those for the bosses is IMMENSE. for example; the aitiascope gives nearly 10M exp without roulette bonus vs a duty which is low level ... for example sunken temle lv 35 which barely gives you 2M experience if you are lv 89.

and what lenn recomments is horrible. the whole system exists to fill the story content.
did you never noticed that when you do roulette is it 80% of time a story content duty?
if the devs would do lenns recommendations would the new peoples sit even longer in queue to progress. you could say now "stop gating content behind story" nah ... we dont need WoW 2 where the story is void and totally unimportant and the sole goal is to reach max level as fast as possible.

so you would need to do the lv 35 one a bazillion of times while the aitiascope would push you after 3 times doing it to close to lv 90.

so if you really only care about the pure experience. stop complaining, queue up for the raids/duties which match your level. but be aware that you probably wait twice as long (or even longer) to get your experience then if you do the roulette and risk getting 7times a week the same stuff.

[Aidenel]

Originally posted by Chiro:

Originally posted by Saibot:

Thats the whole point - of course its for EXP and leveling but if its not something else from time to time its just annoying.
Its like you eating pizza for two weeks straight. First few are excellent but it falls off quickly and becomes an annoyance after the 10th time and duty roulette is the same. I don't want the same ARR Alliance raids ALL THE TIME. I want variety.

Thats the whole point of a ROULETTE or not?

if you care so much for the exp, queue up for dungeons which are in your level range. like if you are lv 35, do sunken tempel and so on. because if a duty is exactly your level gives it as much as if you would do a roulette with the bonus experience. ofcourse would you get more if you get lucky aka you do roulette and the duty which got choosen is close or exactly your level, then you will get more but. the bonus exp solely exists to compensate the exp loss when you roll a low level duty torwards your level.

if anyone says "exp is synced" no. that is not the case. do a low level duty without roulette with lv 81 and then afterwards do tower of zoth. you will see that the experience between those for the bosses is IMMENSE. for example; the aitiascope gives nearly 10M exp without roulette bonus vs a duty which is low level ... for example sunken temle lv 35 which barely gives you 2M experience if you are lv 89.

and what lenn recomments is horrible. the whole system exists to fill the story content.
did you never noticed that when you do roulette is it 80% of time a story content duty?
if the devs would do lenns recommendations would the new peoples sit even longer in queue to progress. you could say now "stop gating content behind story" nah ... we dont need WoW 2 where the story is void and totally unimportant and the sole goal is to reach max level as fast as possible.

so you would need to do the lv 35 one a bazillion of times while the aitiascope would push you after 3 times doing it to close to lv 90.

so if you really only care about the pure experience. stop complaining, queue up for the raids/duties which match your level. but be aware that you probably wait twice as long (or even longer) to get your experience then if you do the roulette and risk getting 7times a week the same stuff.

You say it fills story content, but that was only after Shadowbringers where Crystal Tower was made mandatory (biggest mistake of that expansion, should have converted CT into a soloable duty or done away with like the Coils of Bahamut).
If people want to play CT so much they can queue for it directly, I've begun taking the penalty when I solo queue and get any of the 3 level 50 raids. it's like mentors throwing a tantrum when their precious exclusive roulette tosses them into a level 50 extreme and they have to actually do their job.
Edit. and lets not forget Square Enix's obvious fetish with CT making it a HUGE part of the repeatable Shadowbringers relic steps, while every other alliance raid was a one time step.

[weiss]

as far as i know is crystal tower still mandatory.

[Aidenel]

Originally posted by Chiro:

as far as i know is crystal tower still mandatory.

No ♥♥♥♥, I said it was made mandatory which was a mistake, it should have been reduced to a 8 man raid or a solo duty.
edit: adding an iLevel cap on high level players does NOT make CT any slower to find a party for, because at the end of the day, more players will qualify for it, and do it, since its mandatory. Plus the level 80+ players doing relic quests.

[Hezz]

Originally posted by Seera1024:

Originally posted by Lenn:

I wrote this idea on the main forums as well, so I dont see why I shouldnt write it here for discussions sake:
Alliance roulette should be tiered, every 10 levels you need to have:
1) the gear required for the highest unlocked alliance raid for your level.
2) atleast the first alliance raid of the tier unlocked.

So if you just hit level 70 and you wanna do alliance roulette with that class you need an average item level of 305 and "The Royal City of Rabanastre" unlocked. You might not get it in the roulette, but the option is there.
Now lets say you get it in the roulette and you do it again the day after, now you need "The Ridorana Lighthouse" unlocked as well as an iLevel of 335. Otherwise NO ALLIANCE ROULETTE FOR YOU, unless you got a level 50-59 class left to level up.

Edit: goes without saying that if you then wanna do Alliance roulette at level 90 you need atleast the 1st tier of each previous alliance set unlocked, as well as the ilevel of 565 for the level 90 Alliance roulette.
Or you know, just buff Crystal Tower, a lot, make it fun and new.
otherwise If this keeps up, then half the population of FF will be left with Tower Brain Syndrome.

No.

This would just mean that fewer players would do Alliance Raid Roulette as they would have too high of a chance to get one they don't want. Or they would enter and leave and fish for the Alliance Raid they want.

Just like how in MSQ roulette people will fish for the one of the two/three that gives them the most of what they want for time/effort.

If they want a specific AR, then they should queue for that AR. If they just want the roulette, they have equal chance of *every single AR* that they have unlocked and have the ilvl for. Actually, you'd still have a higher chance at Crystal Tower raids anyway since that's MSQ related...

. And as for fishing for the "right" AR, you get a 30 min penalty for leaving a dungeon. It doesn't matter what the AR is, it'll be faster to just do it than wait another 30 mins to try again... Even MSQ is like that now that Prae has been revamped. It's still longer than the other MSQ roulette stuff but *nowhere near* as long as it used to be.

On top of that, I've been playing this game for years and have, to my knowledge, never seen anyone drop out of an AR or MSQ trying to get the "right" one. So if you are seeing that a lot, seems a good indication you're not on a good server.

[GeminiEclipse]

Alternatively maybe they should look at the reason why people want to skip those raids and address that. Kind of like what they did with the old content, just obviously on a grander scale.