PvP - How do people deal so much damage?

[Arxie]

I've played a couple dozen PvP matches now, mostly as a paladin but a few as a bard. Just how in the world are people dealing so much damage? Like, upwards of 600k in Crystalline Conflict?

In a fairly quick minute and a half match I was able to deal around ~150k with my bard and was the lowest DPS of the group. In most of my matches as a paladin (generally lasting longer than the instance mentioned above) I hover between 150k and 220k damage.

I'm using my abilities with intent. I'm not breaking my paladin's rotation, I'm using shield bash and intervene liberally to proc sword oath... I don't understand how there is such a massive gap in DPS unless there's something else factoring in that I'm unaware of. Level? Gear? I'm not into the endgame just yet. Are there buffs or equipment you can buy with PvP currencies that have particular stat distributions that are more helpful for PvP? Don't get me wrong, I'm winning the majority of my matches and my survivability helps a lot.

Edit: As noted, I was initially missing a 0 on the numbers above. So I've gone back and fixed all the 15k's and 20k's. Thank ye

[Acoustic Stoner]

I had long as games with players getting,taking and healing in the 100k.
a little time with the training dummies with some practice with reading,punishing,kiting enemies makes for some intense games.

[Hex]

I must be missing something here. Do you mean one hit?

Sam has a "deal 100% of the targets HP as damage" limit break that can kill anything in 1 hit. MCH LB or Saw if you're lucky can deal insane single hit dmg. WHM LB if you hit a group can also deal very high single hit dmg. Dragoon can also hit pretty hard I think, never actually played DRG in PvP.

Some jobs are very burst oriented, some are more consistent damage. Bard is more on the consistent side, and their LB is just a buff, not a big hitter. Bard silence is extremely strong, and it can cure a team mate from CC lock, which is incredibly useful if the enemy is focusing on someone. Most dmg Bard can do is use it's 2 line AoEs when people are pushing the crystal.

Any job can push 1mil+ total dmg in a CC match. Highest I've seen in a match that dragged out was 2mil+ total dmg.

[Replicant Six]

In one and a half minutes of a CC you should have done more than 15k damage. BRD gets a damage buff on its most basic attack at full range doing like 5-6k crit I think?

Did you only cast one or two abilities the entire game?

Not to knock you, but you might just be misunderstanding how to burst efficiently for highest dps.

[Hex]

Originally posted by Farmer Rat Joe:

In one and a half minutes of a CC you should have done more than 15k damage. BRD gets a damage buff on its most basic attack at full range doing like 5-6k crit I think?

Did you only cast one or two abilities the entire game?

Not to knock you, but you might just be misunderstanding how to burst efficiently for highest dps.

I refuse to believe he meant overall damage. 15k is like 1 triple arrow.

[Arxie]

Originally posted by Hex:

I must be missing something here. Do you mean one hit?

Sam has a "deal 100% of the targets HP as damage" limit break that can kill anything in 1 hit. MCH LB or Saw if you're lucky can deal insane single hit dmg. WHM LB if you hit a group can also deal very high single hit dmg. Dragoon can also hit pretty hard I think, never actually played DRG in PvP.

Some jobs are very burst oriented, some are more consistent damage. Bard is more on the consistent side, and their LB is just a buff, not a big hitter. Bard silence is extremely strong, and it can cure a team mate from CC lock, which is incredibly useful if the enemy is focusing on someone. Most dmg Bard can do is use it's 2 line AoEs when people are pushing the crystal.

Any job can push 1mil+ total dmg in a CC match. Highest I've seen in a match that dragged out was 2mil+ total dmg.

Ooooh no I mean total. I've mostly been spamming Crystalline Conflict, so we're talking 2-5 minute matches c:

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Arxie:

Originally posted by Hex:

I must be missing something here. Do you mean one hit?

Sam has a "deal 100% of the targets HP as damage" limit break that can kill anything in 1 hit. MCH LB or Saw if you're lucky can deal insane single hit dmg. WHM LB if you hit a group can also deal very high single hit dmg. Dragoon can also hit pretty hard I think, never actually played DRG in PvP.

Some jobs are very burst oriented, some are more consistent damage. Bard is more on the consistent side, and their LB is just a buff, not a big hitter. Bard silence is extremely strong, and it can cure a team mate from CC lock, which is incredibly useful if the enemy is focusing on someone. Most dmg Bard can do is use it's 2 line AoEs when people are pushing the crystal.

Any job can push 1mil+ total dmg in a CC match. Highest I've seen in a match that dragged out was 2mil+ total dmg.

Ooooh no I mean total. I've mostly been spamming Crystalline Conflict, so we're talking 2-5 minute matches c:

Can you (the OP) link a screenshot of your typical CC match end recap that shows all the numbers?

So we all sure we on the same page on what we talking about here hmm..

[Hex]

Originally posted by Arxie:

Originally posted by Hex:

I must be missing something here. Do you mean one hit?

Sam has a "deal 100% of the targets HP as damage" limit break that can kill anything in 1 hit. MCH LB or Saw if you're lucky can deal insane single hit dmg. WHM LB if you hit a group can also deal very high single hit dmg. Dragoon can also hit pretty hard I think, never actually played DRG in PvP.

Some jobs are very burst oriented, some are more consistent damage. Bard is more on the consistent side, and their LB is just a buff, not a big hitter. Bard silence is extremely strong, and it can cure a team mate from CC lock, which is incredibly useful if the enemy is focusing on someone. Most dmg Bard can do is use it's 2 line AoEs when people are pushing the crystal.

Any job can push 1mil+ total dmg in a CC match. Highest I've seen in a match that dragged out was 2mil+ total dmg.

Ooooh no I mean total. I've mostly been spamming Crystalline Conflict, so we're talking 2-5 minute matches c:

I think you're missing a 0, No one does 15k total damage, that's like 2 hits. 150k is more reasonable. And yes, I'm talking Crystalline Conflict too.

[Judeo-communism]

PLD actually does very little total damage in CC, because most of their damage is through your HG sword combo ult hitting multiple targets on the point. Their single target damage is just very very low, probably second lowest next to AST. Your main job is to be a nuisance on the point and secure kills with Shield Bash for other party members to capitalize on.

BRD however can do a lot of damage. Your main role as BRD is similar to PLD: secure kills with a long silence that other party members capitalize on. BRD is the best tank killer in the game and destroys PLDs.

[Hex]

Originally posted by Google metzitzah:

PLD actually does very little total damage in CC, because most of their damage is through your HG sword combo ult hitting multiple targets on the point. Their single target damage is just very very low, probably second lowest next to AST. Your main job is to be a nuisance on the point and secure kills with Shield Bash for other party members to capitalize on.

PLD ability to take dmg instead of someone else is invaluable. It's the only tank that's actually a tank in PvP.

[Judeo-communism]

Originally posted by Hex:

Originally posted by Google metzitzah:

PLD actually does very little total damage in CC, because most of their damage is through your HG sword combo ult hitting multiple targets on the point. Their single target damage is just very very low, probably second lowest next to AST. Your main job is to be a nuisance on the point and secure kills with Shield Bash for other party members to capitalize on.

PLD ability to take dmg instead of someone else is invaluable. It's the only tank that's actually a tank in PvP.

All 3 of the other tanks are more valuable actually because of their damage. Doing little damage and being tanky just doesn't help much in solo queue. The best form of CC and protection is just killing the enemy.

If PLD's LB charged up faster, they'd be a lot more viable. I say this as someone who played PLD in Crystal rank in Season 1, before their buffs and other OP job nerfs like WHM/RDM/WAR.

[Hex]

Originally posted by Google metzitzah:

Originally posted by Hex:

PLD ability to take dmg instead of someone else is invaluable. It's the only tank that's actually a tank in PvP.

All 3 of the other tanks are more valuable actually because of their damage. Doing little damage and being tanky just doesn't help much in solo queue. The best form of CC and protection is just killing the enemy.

If PLD's LB charged up faster, they'd be a lot more viable. I say this as someone who played PLD in Crystal rank in Season 1, before their buffs and other OP job nerfs like WHM/RDM/WAR.

I guess it's a matter of perspective. I've seen some hardcore clutches made with that ability.

[miller]

PvP is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, chances are you've been hit by Samurai's LB or are being decimated by like 6 people at once. You can survive most 1v1's by literally just spamming your self-heal.

[Judeo-communism]

Originally posted by fish:

Originally posted by Google metzitzah:

All 3 of the other tanks are more valuable actually because of their damage. Doing little damage and being tanky just doesn't help much in solo queue. The best form of CC and protection is just killing the enemy.

If PLD's LB charged up faster, they'd be a lot more viable. I say this as someone who played PLD in Crystal rank in Season 1, before their buffs and other OP job nerfs like WHM/RDM/WAR.

Have you ever played against a good pld?

As a good PLD, yes. I ignore them until they're easy to kill from being isolated. Then laugh as a BRD shuts them down completely and they die to burst.

[Archie]

Originally posted by Arxie:

Originally posted by Hex:

I must be missing something here. Do you mean one hit?

Sam has a "deal 100% of the targets HP as damage" limit break that can kill anything in 1 hit. MCH LB or Saw if you're lucky can deal insane single hit dmg. WHM LB if you hit a group can also deal very high single hit dmg. Dragoon can also hit pretty hard I think, never actually played DRG in PvP.

Some jobs are very burst oriented, some are more consistent damage. Bard is more on the consistent side, and their LB is just a buff, not a big hitter. Bard silence is extremely strong, and it can cure a team mate from CC lock, which is incredibly useful if the enemy is focusing on someone. Most dmg Bard can do is use it's 2 line AoEs when people are pushing the crystal.

Any job can push 1mil+ total dmg in a CC match. Highest I've seen in a match that dragged out was 2mil+ total dmg.

Ooooh no I mean total. I've mostly been spamming Crystalline Conflict, so we're talking 2-5 minute matches c:

You can't be doing 15k-22k in 2-5 minutes of CC total damage, you can clock that in a few seconds.

[causality]

Originally posted by Google metzitzah:

Then laugh as a BRD shuts them down completely and they die to burst.

Lol, BRD is the least threatening job with a gimmick silence and toolkit that doesn't pressure anyone. Replace BRD with literally anything else and the PLD would die even faster to coordinated efforts.