Average Player Skill Level is.........not it chief.

[Dark.Chaoz.Bringer]

First off, I fully understand that FFXIV is HEAVILY geared towards hyper casuals. For all intents and purposes, this IS more of a issue with the people this applies to rather than the game.

Having said that, I do thing SE should do a little better in regards to helping people well....be better. While some things are blatant pop-ups, other useful tools tend to be a bit tucked away. What I'd like to see are hints/tips show up during traveling/loading to inform them of such things. Other than that, maybe a more fleshed out PROPER tutorial would be nice. I'd also go as far to say that some single player "tests" (ACTUAL tests; not that Sky, Stone, Sea bs) be implemented at some point.

Lastly, I want to make it abundantly clear that I AM NOT the BEST player by any means. However, after 200+ runs of mentor roulette, the startling amount of players borderline "griefing" runs gets to be a bit much. Many players lack the most basic of basics and it is insane.

I'm aware it has been asked time and time again prior, but they really do need to remove EX content from that roulette. They already don't allow Ultimates/High End content as is due to it being more "demanding" (their words; not mine). By that same logic, extremes in roulette should not be allowed. My compromise to that would be to simply have an extreme roulette.

Inb4 "toxic mentor" accusations, trust me - I do try. However, you know as well as I do that the average person is not going to listen, does not want to listen, and just wants to faceroll the thing(s) with minimal effort like the game has essentially trained them to.

As I notioned earlier, I am fully aware that people are going to be how they want to be regardless of how much the game does try to teach people. I'm simply asking for SE to do a little better. Otherwise, if SE has no desire to encourage improvement, all I would like is for it to practice what they preach and ease the pain of mentors by removing the more demanding content. On top of the other reasons I already mentioned, this is also because even when you DO stick around and "clear", all it does is enable those playing poorly due to the party being comprised of at least half/most other mentors anyway. (1 mentor + 7 sprouts is almost always a no go)

What are you guy's thoughts/opinions? Please be as harsh as you want to me. (I must stress - to ME; others tend to be...sensitive). All I ask is that you bring something to the table vs. JUST blatant trash talk.



TL; DR = Most people are poorly skilled (in many cases willfully so). SE needs to do better in regards to encouraging improvement. Mentor Roulette needs tweaking if SE plans to keep doing nothing in terms of that. Please mention this to a streamer/"influencer" who has a large audience, because nothing is going to change until someone "big"/"important" talks about it. (how the world works sadly).

[causality]

Izeyash původně napsal:

Delta původně napsal:

If numbers don't go up then items stay put.

Ultimate weapon has 3 melding slots so numbers would definitely go up.

It's the classic, "if I can't get it, I don't want it or it's not worth getting" mindset.

[Delta]

casuality původně napsal:

Izeyash původně napsal:

Ultimate weapon has 3 melding slots so numbers would definitely go up.

It's the classic, "if I can't get it, I don't want it or it's not worth getting" mindset.

But it's literally not that lol.

I literally have friends who do Ultimates and stuff like that who constantly ask me to join them and I simply tell them I don't care.

Big shiny weapons that glow and are mostly used for glamor aren't my shtick.

[Sunny]

casuality původně napsal:

Izeyash původně napsal:

Ultimate weapon has 3 melding slots so numbers would definitely go up.

It's the classic, "if I can't get it, I don't want it or it's not worth getting" mindset. :lunar2019piginablanket:

Seriously? You're going to wrongfun somebody for not being interested in Ultimates? Really?

[Lord Kragan]

Delta původně napsal:

casuality původně napsal:

It's the classic, "if I can't get it, I don't want it or it's not worth getting" mindset. :lunar2019piginablanket:

But it's literally not that lol.

I literally have friends who do Ultimates and stuff like that who constantly ask me to join them and I simply tell them I don't care.

Big shiny weapons that glow and are mostly used for glamor aren't my shtick.

Hardest I've done is savage, and i have 0 interest in ultimates because i hugely dislike glam pieces that are glorified glowsticks.

[Izeyash]

Lord Kragan původně napsal:

Delta původně napsal:

But it's literally not that lol.

I literally have friends who do Ultimates and stuff like that who constantly ask me to join them and I simply tell them I don't care.

Big shiny weapons that glow and are mostly used for glamor aren't my shtick.

Hardest I've done is savage, and i have 0 interest in ultimates because i hugely dislike glam pieces that are glorified glowsticks.

Ultimate weapons have 3 materia slots. So it's best in slot for the patch they are released in.

[Hex]

Boblawblah původně napsal:

Hex původně napsal:

Nothing else needs to be said. You're in the kiddie pool yelling that the 4 yearolds there with floaters on are bad swimmers.

lol, I'd be insulted at this, but it's so true, and I'm okay with that

Nothing wrong with the kiddie pool if you can't or don't want to swim.

[Qau'lthir]

I miss the game as it were before all of the noodle-arms moved in.

[Qau'lthir]

Seraphita původně napsal:

Qau'lthir původně napsal:

I miss the game as it were before all of the noodle-arms moved in.

Tbh, I don't think Mommy Long Legs is in this game. Unless I am wrong and it's new.

Hey, that's a pretty good response. Well done.

[causality]

Sunny původně napsal:

Seriously? You're going to wrongfun somebody for not being interested in Ultimates? Really?

Did you read their post? They said it's not worth obtaining if there is no upgrade, if being the conditional where it is required for them to pursue something which offers a clear upgrade. Now you're moving the goalpost, no one except you brought up this notion of 'fun'.

Seraphita původně napsal:

Shaming people for any reasons is totally viable.

See above.

[Silvershadow]

As Yoshi said in the interview, players feel like there is a "huge lack of information" on screen/HUD/UI for high-end content, and he plans to make sure players do not have to rely on 3rd party sources to get that information.

And what kind of Information do people use in such content? Correct.
DPS Meters.
And in WoW it's also Enrage Timers, Boss Skill Cooldowns etc.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with such tools.
It encourages improvement.

Of course it has to be used "the right way" - especially so in FF14, as Savages and Ultimates are basically requiring perfect machine learning to be cleared (aka the encounters are a "Dance" that everyone needs to perform, as the community likes to put it).

It's pretty obvious that this doesnt mean you should go all high risk and try to dish out one more skill just to wipe your group instead of going to the pixel-exact safe spot.

The community itself is already a cesspool of toxicity, not like a Damage Meter would turn the most loveable community into a steaming pile of poop.

The Game doesnt just reward casual playstyle, it rewards & nurtures lazy, arrogant "i do not give a f*** about your time, carry me or get reported" people, and that is not ok.

Edit: As someone said earlier: Those that do not want to improve, will not improve no matter the tools they have available to them. Therefore i see no reason to not implement them.

The rules are still the same, you cant bully someone because of their bad DPS in the game (and we all know people still talk behind your back in Discords or Voice Calls etc)

[Sunny]

casuality původně napsal:

Sunny původně napsal:

Seriously? You're going to wrongfun somebody for not being interested in Ultimates? Really?

Did you read their post? They said it's not worth obtaining if there is no upgrade, if being the conditional where it is required for them to pursue something which offers a clear upgrade. Now you're moving the goalpost, no one except you brought up this notion of 'fun'. :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Yeah, I did. And now reading this, I feel very silly for being startled at your behavior the first time. I'm not certain why I expected better from you. Pity.

[xyz]

They should just make add-ons allowed. ESO, GW2, WOW all have them.

[Stormy Dawn]

Robot původně napsal:

They should just make add-ons allowed. ESO, GW2, WOW all have them.

Yeah. Honestly I agree.

I think it's a gross exaggeration that add-ons of any type so negatively impact a game on a universal level like some players, and seemingly the developers, think.

Sure, there will certainly be those players who will use them for less than reputable means, but I don't think officially allowing add-ons will lead to a direct increase in those number of players. Those who really want to use them, whether for positive or negative means, already are, allowing them now will certainly see an increase in the total number of players using them, sure, but not so much in one particular camp or another to cause a panic.

I think it ultimately boils down to a cultural thing. Add-ons, and modding in general, isn't looked as favorably upon, or generally tolerated by the Japanese gaming community, at least not on the business side.

I could be completely off base by this, but I feel like if you asked an American or European development team members they would be much more accepting of the add-ons and mods for this game than if you were to ask a Japanese team member.

[causality]

Sunny původně napsal:

I feel very silly for being startled at your behavior the first time. I'm not certain why I expected better from you. Pity.

Well, don't dwell on my behavior too much, you wouldn't want to occupy yourself with strange inclinations like that if the result makes you feel silly. I'd like to see you contribute more and do more productive things but then again if I actually wrote that you might retort with an asinine comment like, "You failed to meet my expectations I am so disappointed, woe is me! The distress! The pity! The horror!"

Hello? That was a joke. No one would actually write that.

Tsurayu původně napsal:

Robot původně napsal:

They should just make add-ons allowed. ESO, GW2, WOW all have them.

Yeah. Honestly I agree.

I hope one day SE breaks cheating tools like cactbot for good out of spite for all those players who need them to (re)clear content like UwU.

[Hex]

Robot původně napsal:

They should just make add-ons allowed. ESO, GW2, WOW all have them.

Funny you should mention ESO. Go talk about someones DPS in ESO.

Go on, do it, see what happens.