PvP Full Of Sweats

[Foxy Tony]

Be nice if the PvP was actually fair and balanced, the feast was better than what ever this new mode is. No one wants to do the objective at all. Even when you tell them to push the crystal they'll just put you as "target to ignore". Once the Garo event is all grinded out, PvP is hopefully gonna remain dead for good.

[causality]

Messaggio originale di Solaires:

Actually lot of streamers have actually shown off some of the scripted stuff that's been caught. There is definitely cheating in PvP. Also a lot of people noted to be Crystal in 40 runs have been caught cheating with some of this scripted cheats as well.

If cheating is so rampant where is all the video proof? And I don't mean a fear mongering streamer who has a screenshot of purportedly real discord patch notes anyone can make themselves in like 1 minute.

[Solaires]

Sure go check out the person well known for releasing fashion report on twitter weekly. they even posted the proof there. lol. Why do think there is no proof? LoL. I'm pretty sure lots of people look at Kiyoko's twitter weekly. lol. Here's some of it. Why are people pretending this isn't happening? Hmm. Because they don't want to be caught... LMAO. There's modding to about everything in this game. Tons of cheating gathering and gold selling, PvP modding isn't new either sadly. Anyways here's some of the PvP scripts that have been found with CC. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/460173-Feedback-Add-Epic-Easy-Anti-Cheat-to-FFXIV-before-is-too-late

[Solaires]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGb3WA-pl-s Not big on this guys tips but he also has up some of the ones i mentioned earlier.

[Solaires]

https://twitter.com/ArtharsFF14/status/1518020362872983552/photo/1 This was on Kaiyoko's twitter btw also showing disgust in the cheating. So uh. "Where's the proof comment?" comments. I'll love to hear more. This isn't even all tbh. There's a pretty notorious site that mods and cheats almost everything in the game. They even have a discord.

[Raansu]

Messaggio originale di Earthiness:

Can't say i like it at all i played maybe 4 crystal matches since it came out
my whm just feel like well not a whm it's not a healer that's for sure and the only way i can aoe heal is to jump into the middle of the fight and pray i dont die in 1sec from all the aoe/lb going on all the time

very poorly designed then again S.E don't like healers they will fire even there healer testers if they show they are learning the fight - no joke dev's said this them selfs

The mode is supposed to be role agnostic with small flavors of each role.

That said WHM is beyond OP in the new pvp mode. You're playing it wrong.

[causality]

Still no proof then? You essentially posted the same source 3 times and the speculations of someone who only thinks people are cheating based on Discord patch notes that anyone can make themselves. Until there is actual proof in the form of video evidence, it's just blatant fear mongering for content and people erroneously attributing their losses to cheaters helps fuel that notion of, "a ninja killed me with their LB so they must be cheating".

[Raansu]

Messaggio originale di casuality:

Still no proof then? You essentially posted the same source 3 times and the speculations of someone who only thinks people are cheating based on Discord patch notes that anyone can make themselves. Until there is actual proof in the form of video evidence, it's just blatant fear mongering for content and people erroneously attributing their losses to cheaters helps fuel that notion of, "a ninja killed me with their LB so they must be cheating".

People are absolutely cheating in the crystal ranks lol. The 1st ranked player on the leader board also win trades with an alt.

[causality]

That sort of cheating has existed for a long time unfortunately, What I meant was proof of cheating that automates gameplay using logic and nested if statements because no such thing exists simply because a streamer said so based on easily reproducible evidence.

Maybe in one quantum branch of our universe there exists the possibility of someone cheating but for the most part I would wager it's just people upset they were beat in a video game, because someone manually targeting a player with 49% health and clicking 1 button is an impossibly inhuman feat.

[Raansu]

Messaggio originale di casuality:

That sort of cheating has existed for a long time unfortunately, What I meant was proof of cheating that automates gameplay using logic and nested if statements because no such thing exists simply because a streamer said so based on easily reproducible evidence. :cuphead:

Maybe in one quantum branch of our universe there exists the possibility of someone cheating but for the most part I would wager it's just people upset they were beat in a video game, because someone manually targeting a player with 49% health and clicking 1 button is an impossibly inhuman feat.

Do you not know there are addons for this game? ACT is a well known one for pve and there's multiple addons for pvp such as auto LB for ninjas to LB immediately as soon as someone is at half HP and there's one for samurai to pop chiten and only pop the LB when it reads multiple enemies have the debuff.

There's also been several hackers caught on stream using speed hacks and invincibility hacks.

[Solaires]

Those cheats were literally with CC. First one was listed with the recent changes in pvp and the picture I added after was when CC released. There's no covering up that you were trying to say there wasn't any and laughing and scoffing people on it. There's literally evident proof that people are cheating. Hopefully one of these days the Dev.s do a better job with dealing with cheaters in this game all the way around as PvP isn't the only issue with cheaters. As someone just stated it's quite obvious the first place was cheating also with his score over 3k more then anyone else on primal. 2nd and on was often very close. People on Aether's first on day 1 was only about 300 pt difference. Like 1st place on primal wasn't really hiding it well even. lol.

[Dark.Chaoz.Bringer]

I'd argue the issue is less that PvP is full of sweats and more so that FFXIV is full of "toxic" casuals.
By "toxic" casuals, I mean that group of players that usually just faceroll their input device to get through content, get mad when asked to try, and were part of the group claiming to be "offended" by people emoting and such (in PvP).
Mind you, it's not necessarily their fault per se. It's just a fact of the matter that needs to be pointed out in this discussion - FFXIV is a VERY casual game that happens to have (a decent level of) hardcore content for those in pursuit of it. Moreover, the "toxic" casuals make up the majority of the playerbase while the hardcore players are the minority. This is why there are few Ultimates and such. I digress.
The issue comes into play when content that appeals to BOTH groups is introduced. In regards to PvP specifically, the goal is to win vs. simply progress as most casuals are used to. In order to do this, knowing how to play your job and the overall "ins and outs" of the maps is very important. Again, generally speaking, casual players do not know how to play their jobs in PvE content as is. Moreover, they are usually not very open to friendly suggestions regarding that (i.e.- the "you don't pay my sub peanut gallery). With that in mind, it's very much akin to casual players that queue into extreme fights - they are not prepared and most likely don't care to be. They just want to faceroll like they've been doing. With this new mode, however, this is probably the first and only time they've been asked to simply "try" by a lot of people on a regular basis. This is also combined with the fact that they just aren't built to deal with "conflict" in general. It's not like the game ever asked much of them, so who can really 100% blame them.


TL; DR - People need to git gud. The game does a poor job (if any at all) to encourage people to git gud and should evolve to do so vs. continuing it's path of (skill) regression.
You can only cater to the "toxic" casuals so much before it becomes an issue, which is what we are witnessing.

[Solaires]

I mean ya there's bad players for sure but as much as you try to push it away there's a lot of cheating going on and it's being handled very poorly by the Dev.s. No one's really caring you emoted in CC. Big whoop. They care when they see 3 different RDM start the fight off one shotting people as an example. RDM do not have that utility to one shot even their best attack is under 20k. They care about things you couldn't possibly do or "programs doing it for you" to cheat which the quotations part is actually also something noted against the ToS btw.

[causality]

"There is evident proof that many people are cheating."
"Wait, I don't actually have proof. Just a screenshot of patch notes from a Discord channel."
"You got to believe me! My favorite streamer said so, so it must be true!"
But why after weeks of CC being released did Yoshi P not address the supposed rampant cheating issue which you and so many other players are experiencing? As an avid pvper himself, why wouldn't Yoshi P make his concerns public?

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/fe029a4ac87236b4b1d11138064efa39f992435a

[Solaires]

Messaggio originale di casuality:

"There is evident proof that many people are cheating."
"Wait, I don't actually have proof. Just a screenshot of patch notes from a Discord channel."
"You got to believe me! My favorite streamer said so, so it must be true!"
But why after weeks of CC being released did Yoshi P not address the supposed rampant cheating issue which you and so many other players are experiencing? As an avid pvper himself, why wouldn't Yoshi P make his concerns public?

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/fe029a4ac87236b4b1d11138064efa39f992435a

Well was quite a bit a proof and by your attitude of trying to defend so much that it's not happening you probably are lmao. Also who said that was from discord. Ohhh... let me guess. Your probably using MMOMinion which uses a discord to show the things their modding and cheating. lol.

I got those pics from Kaiyoko's twitter trying to warn people of them. Though to note that MMOMinion has been a culprit some of those streamers including the youtuber explained on this as well. Discords have supposedly showing off their mods apparently also.

[causality]

You can't be this dishonest. Do you want me to quote all the links you posted where the source is a screenshot from Discord? Should I even argue with you at this point?