Viera and Hrothgar

[PsionicDiamond]

I think it's quite irresponsible that SE dont have a warning for these races in the character creation menu. Can you please update this? Just add a simple [Limited Races] under their race name.

It's bad enough you promised to give them more race-exclusive hairstyles in 2019 to compensate for lack of headgear, only to flake out on giving the race either of these things. So, if you're going to continue this for much longer the least you can do is give people a heads up.

Other than that, I do love this game tbh.

[Hex]

Chiro님이 먼저 게시:

ok hex, i think i stop being neutral torwards you aswell.
it seems that you can not accept that there are peoples which would love to wear headgears as viera and Hrothgars.

I never said that. I said MOST people don't care. Anything above 50% is most, just to clarify. Don't try to straw-man me, I will call you out on it.

that you dont want to wear any headgear know we by now which brings the question up; why do you even care if you are satisfied? why are you part of this discussion, only to troll and stiring a drama with your weak points? yes, i am going to say now aswell that your statements are pretty weak.

I was originally just saying that Square doesn't read these forums, and that posting here about this is a waste of effort. Then the OP started attacking me for no reason, insinuating that I must not play Viera, and that I'm wrong for not finding it a big issue. You don't get to tell me what I should or shouldn't think.

for example; limsa is not the only city/place in final fantasy 14. it is sure the most active place but it does not mean that you have right because the majority in limsa wears no headgear.

Again with the straw-man. I said "For example" and then said "you can go anywhere and see the same thing"

you could only make that statement stronger by asking every single viera in limsa "would you love to wear headgears?

If they loved helmets so much they wouldn't play Viera.

can tell you that (and we have many vieras in the FC) alot of vieras would tell you that they would love a bigger variety on headgears which look acceptable.

That's not the same thing as making everything usable by Vieras. They wouldn't look acceptable, that's the problem.

i can tell you aswell that the majority of both races, viera and Hrothgar is big enough that square enix atleast TRIED to change "something" if they would be a minority, like you say, would square enix not make ... or well "trying" to make the effort to satisfy those players which play viera and Hrothgar.

I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say here.

tho, i stay with my statement which i wrote somewhere on page 2.
you just dont care enough because you never seen a headgear so far which you would probably want to wear as viera and if you seen one was you tolerant enough to just accept it that it does not work on your race.

I've gone through every single piece of gear in the game to see what I want to try to get (if they are behind raids). And not a single one of them made me not play Viera. The only glam with a melmet that I ever even had was a Dragoon, but I can live without it just fine.

but i can tell you for sure that if you would ask fellow vieras about the headgear and hair situation would you be surprised. most vieras and Hrothgars keep them hidden because ... like you said already "it looks dumb or not nice" which is the reason WHY they want a change.

That's not what the OP is about. It's about making the ears pop through or disappear. I find both those options stupid, and said as much. I'm entitled to my opinion about it and if you don't like it, that's your problem.

and since you brought the part up that other races do not wear their headgears either. thats flatout wrong. everyone who is done leveling and in the glamour endgame content has some kind of headgear vissible which you often wouldnt see as "headgear" because they might be headbands, flowers, butterflies and other things which barely cover the head at all.

So that's a flat-out lie and everyone can prove it by doing any max level content.

if you go to the FF14 glamour page which is https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/ would you be SURPRISED how many outfits there are WITH HEADGEAR! which vieras simply cant use because of the problem about which peoples speak here in this topic.

Every gear set in the game comes with a helmet. What's your point? The hide helmet button exists in the character sheet for a reason.

oof ... so ehm you will probably call this post a rant aswell and probably ... block me? but honestly ... i do not care because ... you dont care about headgears on viera in general and yet choosen you to be part of this discussion.

It's a bit rant-y, yes. If people only post when they agree with something, it's not a discussion, it's Reddit.

[PsionicDiamond]

Hex님이 먼저 게시:

That's not what the OP is about. It's about making the ears pop through or disappear. I find both those options stupid, and said as much. I'm entitled to my opinion about it and if you don't like it, that's your problem.

Not necessarily? My initial post is enquiring about more race-exclusive hairstyles that were promised in 2019, only for them to flake out of that idea. So surely they only sensible thing is to make us like the other races. But firstly I wanted a warning on the character creation screen because it’s horrible of SE to not give players a heads up. The idea of Viera or Hrothgar getting any sort of attention personally offended you, and then you pretty much just whiteknighted SE.

You can think it’s stupid, but you haven’t seen the concept photos from final fantasy tactics where Viera’s ears DO poke out of hats. Evidently, this works because the level 89 reaper hood pulls it off quite well, so no.. it wouldn’t look stupid for our ears to poke out of a RDM or BLM hat.

You’re backtracking and made up an accusation, I never said I wanted the ears to disappear. I like the ears and considering they’re one of the very few racial aspects of the viera, I wouldn’t want them hidden.

Remember what I said Hex, establish facts.

[Geirfinna Lieselotte]

Hex님이 먼저 게시:

Supcrème Grommander님이 먼저 게시:

People at Limsa are sure a lot of people, but do you have the numbers that allow you to say that they represent the majority of the playerbase ?

Go anywhere, do anything in-game and pay attention.

You made an assumption.
I asked you to prove it.
You're still not able to do so.
This is not my job to provide the proofs you're lacking.

[Hex]

Supcrème Grommander님이 먼저 게시:

Hex님이 먼저 게시:

Go anywhere, do anything in-game and pay attention.

You made an assumption.
I asked you to prove it.
You're still not able to do so.
This is not my job to provide the proofs you're lacking.

And you can just declare any proof other than logs from SE as "not proof" because that's how you people argue, so I'm not even going to bother. I could sit in any city for 10h, record it, post it on youtube and it would still not be enough.

[PsionicDiamond]

Hex님이 먼저 게시:

And you can just declare any proof other than logs from SE as "not proof" because that's how you people argue

Because if you're going to come out with a broad statement that conflicts with everyone and have nothing to back it up, people are going to question it. It shouldn't be surprising that just trusting your word on it is not good enough. You saw a few people who were not wearing hats and then generalised that to "Oh, majority of the FFXIV playerbase don't even wear headgear" Like ????

[weiss]

you lost me already on the straw man part ... because only peoples which have no arguments come with the "strawman" thing

yes, you said multible times that you do not care.
you shown that you do not care with this post here aswell

Hex님이 먼저 게시:

I never wore headgear even when my char wasn't Viera. Or rather, headgear that Viera can't wear cause I usually wear either some Nin masks or sunglasses if I wear anything.

Just go to the Limsa aetheryte plaza during prime-time on any server, the amount of people that wear full helmets or hats is tiny compared to those that don't. People. Don't. Wear. Hats.

you clearly said that you do not wear headgears. if you would say it in a direct way is it "i dont care, i dont wear heads and because i went to limsa and looked at peoples and no viera wears hats there is this issue not existent"

I was originally just saying that Square doesn't read these forums, and that posting here about this is a waste of effort. Then the OP started attacking me for no reason, insinuating that I must not play Viera, and that I'm wrong for not finding it a big issue. You don't get to tell me what I should or shouldn't think.

yea, and you should kept it at this. because in general do you not care. you never wear headgears, you are satisfied so, why do you need to continue poking the peoples which want to change this? we know that you dont want one, we know the reason for that too. but you act like with your statements that noone else other then these peoples here in this very topic would want a change in all this. yes, its useless to write it here, i was there on your side too but then OP wrote that he dosnt minds, he just wants to discuss with other peoples about it, he does not care if he dosnt reaches someone with influence or even a flatout developer.

Again with the straw-man. I said "For example" and then said "you can go anywhere and see the same thing"

quit it with your strawman excuse. it does not work on me. the statement stays. but to eliminate your statement, i seen a a lot of female vieras in uldah near the market board with headgears. and yes, this statement would be weak aswell because its only "a few vieras" and yet. if i would ask them if they would want to change this whole hair and headgear situation would they for sure say yes! the problem with you is "i only seeeeee and i take what i see as proof, asking is for idiots!" >_> alone with that eliminated i some quote responds from you.

I've gone through every single piece of gear in the game to see what I want to try to get (if they are behind raids). And not a single one of them made me not play Viera. The only glam with a melmet that I ever even had was a Dragoon, but I can live without it just fine.

and that reply literarly shows how well you read, i mean to be fair, i wrote a lot so you may fallen asleep somewhere in the middle but thats literarly what i said. i wrote ... and now in caps for you YOU WAS SIMPLY TOLERANT ENOUGH TO ACCEPT IT AND ITS NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR YOU TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU USUALLY DONT WEAR HEADGEARS BECAUSE IT LOOKS FOR YOU DUMB!!! aka ... iunno where you wrote it but you wrote it here somewhere "i rather hide the helmet rather then having my ears poking out of it"

again TLDR; you dont care because you simply dont wear headgears. if you would want to do that (which you dont want and thats totally fine, its your choice) would you quickly notice this issue but you act like "this issue does not exist because I DONT WEAR HEADGEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111" -_-

That's not what the OP is about. It's about making the ears pop through or disappear. I find both those options stupid, and said as much. I'm entitled to my opinion about it and if you don't like it, that's your problem.

and this just proves what i just wrote. again, you clearly say "i dont care so its not existent for me and i do not accept anything else" ... how can someone shoot himself so hard into the own feet?

So that's a flat-out lie and everyone can prove it by doing any max level content.

no its not, the site proves already that you are wrong xD.

Every gear set in the game comes with a helmet. What's your point? The hide helmet button exists in the character sheet for a reason.

correct and correct² but again, you act like everyone uses this function and thats the reason why this issue technicly does not exist. well, you are wrong. again, go and ask vieras and Hrothgars and ask them if they would like a change, make sure that you ask atleast 100+ peoples and make screenshots of the conversations to keep proof. dont just port to places and assume "they dont have headgear worn so, i must have right with my thesis" i say it again, they do it because it dosnt looks great, the same reason why you dont want to use headgears but if they had the chance to change anything would they probably say "yeeees, take me in, lets make viera and Hrothgar headgear better" then again, you act like that none of them wants this and is totally fine with it that they have only the choice to hide the headgears or, loosing their ears or look dumb.

It's a bit rant-y, yes. If people only post when they agree with something, it's not a discussion, it's Reddit.

well i can not say anything to that because i dont have a reddit acount, anyways. i tried to stay as friendly as possible.

my whole point of my reply was basicly ... why in the hell do you fight with everyone here. you dont have a problem, you could easily move on ... but no, you need to write phrases which basicly say "this is an issue which does not exist because vieras and Hrothgars hide it anyways because it looks dumb" and here is the point where you aswell act like "because this is the case can i not accept that this issue exists and that any of those 2 races wants new hair or wants to wear propper made headgear"

its simply what you do here and before i repeat myself over and over because its a bad habbit of mine stop i this now.

and srsly ... stop with the strawman thing ... its well known that peoples which come up with that are out of arguments and trying to make this strawman stuff up.

just move on, let them be with their opinion. you both could discuss this forever and comming not to solution which you both accept.

and didnt you said that you blocked them? you should not longer be able to read their posts ... or can you not resist to click the "show anyways" button?

anyways, if you really want your argument about limsa stronger, dont just look at the peoples, ask them. i would dare to make a bet that atleast 70% telling you that they are not ok how it corrently is =-=

quote mistake fixxed =w=.
anyways, i will not reply to you again. i dont like peoples which come up with the strawman thing ... the past shown me that it is useless to talk to peoples which come up with the "strawman" thing.

[Aphelium]

Hex님이 먼저 게시:

Dude if "go anywhere" isn't a statistically significant sample size for you then nothing is and you're just wasting everyones time with you inane rambling.

No, it is not.
That's why I'm asking for it.
Definitive proof is done with objective data, something you have yet to provide.
I'm sure i'll regret answering this, seeing how you're acting and behaving, but oh well.

Hex님이 먼저 게시:

Supcrème Grommander님이 먼저 게시:

You made an assumption.
I asked you to prove it.
You're still not able to do so.
This is not my job to provide the proofs you're lacking.

And you can just declare any proof other than logs from SE as "not proof" because that's how you people argue, so I'm not even going to bother. I could sit in any city for 10h, record it, post it on youtube and it would still not be enough.

Because Unless you have definitive proving data, all you proposed is cicumpstancial, being by location or time.
Again, Numbers Mason, we need those. Not anecdotical experiences.
Any data that can be variable, is not valid or definitive data, as the point of asking for it is to prove an invariable collection of it, that serves to proof without any shade of a doubt what you're saying.
Unless you have that, any point and "just look around bro" it's as usefull as ♥♥♥♥.

[Engineer]

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