I hate the MSQ.

[Sparky]

There, I said it.

The story itself is fine but getting there has so much back tracking and unnecessary dog-legging it's unbearable.

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Shortbolts:

Originally posted by Hex:

No one forces you to just play the MSQ, that's what I've been trying to tell you. There's so much more to do in the game than just MSQ.

I know that there's "not much more to do than just the MSQ", you keep telling me that. But, everything I could go and do whilst doing the MSQ, I like doing at the end. I prefer to start a story and get to the end of the story before I go off and do other things, including going back to the start

Originally posted by Anakha:

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I've got over 300 hours of FFX on Steam alone, and the fastest I've completed EVERYTHING (All the achievements) was 97 hours. That's less time than it's taken me to get to Stormblood. A GOOD 70-80 hours of this was spent grinding to max out the Sphere Grid, play Blitzball for Wakka's Overdrive's and Celestial Weapon, getting everyone else's Celestial Weapons, beating Penance after killing all of the Dark Aeons + completing the Monster Arena and everything else that was an achievement for the game. So, not 10-15 hours exact, but, you can get to end-game (Just after beating Yunalesca and unlocking the airship) in less than 20 hours. This INCLUDES me grinding for a bit in 2-3 different spots to max characters out as much as I could (Mainly in Bevelle right before you fight Seymour, maxing everyone's Sphere Grids to the point of the end of their paths)

FF9 may be 4 disks, but, if you JUST do the story and not touch ANY of the side content, it can be done in less than 20 hours. Exactly the same as FF7. I'm comparing STORY ONLY between the 2 games. The 50-60 hour for ARR is JUST for the MSQ. If you add all the side-quests and everything else for ARR, you're looking into the 100's of hours for JUST ARR alone.

I've been playing FF games since I was a kid, and I can tell you that the MAIN time it's taken longer than 20 hours to beat a FF game from the 1-10 series is when I decided to spend HOURS grinding to level myself up. If I just went from point A-B with as little fight's as possible (Exactly the same as what you would do if you JUST did the MSQ) you can beat all of them in less than 20 hours, whereas ARR takes between 50-60 hours.

No. It can't. I've played FF8. JUST doing the story in FF8 is still like. 30 hours.

[Hex]

Originally posted by Shortbolts:

I know that there's "not much more to do than just the MSQ", you keep telling me that. But, everything I could go and do whilst doing the MSQ, I like doing at the end.

That's like watching 8 seasons of a TV show without leaving your couch, and then crying that you are forced to sit on your couch for a week.

You have no one but yourself to blame. Have a nice life.

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by Anakha:

No. It can't. I've played FF8. JUST doing the story in FF8 is still like. 30 hours.

If you count all the main events and the cutscenes. Yep. FF8 is quite the beastly game. There is a lot to do in those 4 disc and lot of story to see. I played twice, I wouldn't be surprised that 30 hours is correct. The game kept me playing for over 50 when trying to get everything.

30 is what I got when I cheated with GameShark for story review, true. There's just a LOT of cutscenes and a lot of running around, but you do a LOT.

[BahamaLlama]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

But... But you understand a mmo is NOT a standalone game, right? A mmo requires you to be dedicated to it for a LOT of time. Like... A ginormous amount of time. By comparison, it also means that the time you take to finish a game in a normal game will be the time you'll use for story alone in a final fantasy MMO. The time played in a mmo is exponentially higher.

Yes, I do know this. ALL of the side-content and everything is is what people dedicate a LOT of time too, and I will eventually do the same when I finally finish slogging through the story. Other MMO's do exactly the same, but don't force 150-200 hours of story down people's throat's and REQUIRE them to play for 150-200 hours to get to end-game.

You can't keep comparing them to both things. Either you compare it to the Final Fantasy franchise, which NONE of the other games REQUIRE more than 20 hours to complete the story ALONE (30-40 hours for FFXII-FFXV) (Not touching ANY of the side-content or anything else. JUST going from A-B), or, you compare it to other MMO's which NONE of them force 150-200 hours of REQUIRED story before you get to the end-game. You cannot cherry pick each side to better suite your narrative, it doesn't work like that.

Originally posted by Anakha:

No. It can't. I've played FF8. JUST doing the story in FF8 is still like. 30 hours.

Just because YOU personally cannot do something doesn't mean it cannot be done. If you JUST followed the story and did NOTHING else BUT the story, it would take less than 20 hours. The BIGGEST difference between every Final Fantasy game and FFXIV is the fact that side content in every other game feels more fluid. You can continue doing the story, but, you can also start to do all the side-content WHILST doing the story.

FFXIV does not do this, at all. You have to go out of your way to complete the side-content of FFXIV. You have to LITERALLY pause the story so you can go and do side-content, whereas, you don't need to do this for other Final Fantasy games.

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Shortbolts:

Originally posted by Anakha:

No. It can't. I've played FF8. JUST doing the story in FF8 is still like. 30 hours.

Just because YOU personally cannot do something doesn't mean it cannot be done. If you JUST followed the story and did NOTHING else BUT the story, it would take less than 20 hours.

This IS following just the story. It's a long game, buddy. You lying isn't a good look. Literally, a quick Google search will tell you the average JUST MAIN STORY length is literally 40 hours. A SPEEDRUN might take 15 hours, and that is the average Any% speedrun rate, but that... Uses glitches to cut major parts of the story out. So you are LITERALLY LYING right here about FF8. Stop.

[BahamaLlama]

Originally posted by Anakha:

Originally posted by Shortbolts:

Just because YOU personally cannot do something doesn't mean it cannot be done. If you JUST followed the story and did NOTHING else BUT the story, it would take less than 20 hours.

This IS following just the story. It's a long game, buddy. You lying isn't a good look. Literally, a quick Google search will tell you the average JUST MAIN STORY length is literally 40 hours. A SPEEDRUN might take 15 hours, and that is the average Any% speedrun rate, but that... Uses glitches to cut major parts of the story out. So you are LITERALLY LYING right here about FF8. Stop.

FF8's speedrun is 8 hours, 16 minutes, not 15 hours (This is for the PSX disk/PS1). The fastest PC run is 7 hours and 28 minutes. If you run through it at a decent pace, just doing the story and nothing else, it can be done in around 15-20 hours. If you take your time, it can be done between 30-35 hours. Not 40. If you aim to do everything in FF8, it can be done in around 90-100 hours. Again, just because YOU take 40 hours to complete the game, doesn't mean everyone else does.

I also never mentioned FF8, though you keep pointing that one out. Yes, I mentioned 1-10, but, I have only played 8 a few times and never ONCE has it taken me more than 25 hours, and this INCLUDES doing a lot of side stuff (Mainly Triple Triad's). Either I'm a god gamer, or you're just terribly slow.

I think I'm completely done here. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, and the other person does nothing but cherry-pick small parts of each type of game to better suite their narrative, because if they looked at it from the whole perspective, it would shatter their already terrible arguments.

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Shortbolts:

Originally posted by Anakha:

This IS following just the story. It's a long game, buddy. You lying isn't a good look. Literally, a quick Google search will tell you the average JUST MAIN STORY length is literally 40 hours. A SPEEDRUN might take 15 hours, and that is the average Any% speedrun rate, but that... Uses glitches to cut major parts of the story out. So you are LITERALLY LYING right here about FF8. Stop.

FF8's speedrun is 8 hours, 16 minutes, not 15 hours (This is for the PSX disk/PS1). The fastest PC run is 7 hours and 28 minutes. If you run through it at a decent pace, just doing the story and nothing else, it can be done in around 15-20 hours. If you take your time, it can be done between 30-35 hours. Not 40. If you aim to do everything in FF8, it can be done in around 90-100 hours. Again, just because YOU take 40 hours to complete the game, doesn't mean everyone else does.

I also never mentioned FF8, though you keep pointing that one out. Yes, I mentioned 1-10, but, I have only played 8 a few times and never ONCE has it taken me more than 25 hours, and this INCLUDES doing a lot of side stuff (Mainly Triple Triad's). Either I'm a god gamer, or you're just terribly slow.

I think I'm completely done here. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, and the other person does nothing but cherry-pick small parts of each type of game to better suite their narrative, because if they looked at it from the whole perspective, it would shatter their already terrible arguments.

The fastest speedrun on Any% UTILIZES GLITCHES. I said this. At a "decent pace," doing the story (NOT at leisure, but rushing it, without glitches) you will come out at about 38-40 hours.

I know what I'm talking about. You just want to lie, and make yourself seem smart and better, whereas anyone with Google can do this research. The AVERAGE speedrun Any% is 15 hours. Not the fastest (which is between 7-8 hours). You're lying unless you ONLY speedrun using glitches. This is reported by hundreds of people, mind you, for average times.

You. Are. Lying. You are lying to make your point seem more valid. You are lying out your rear end to make it seem like JRPGs being long is unreasonable when JRPGs are long as a RULE.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Shortbolts:

Final Fantasy 1-10 takes around 10-15 hours to complete the story,

No, they absolutely do not.

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by Anakha:

The fastest speedrun on Any% UTILIZES GLITCHES. I said this. At a "decent pace," doing the story (NOT at leisure, but rushing it, without glitches) you will come out at about 38-40 hours.

I know what I'm talking about. You just want to lie, and make yourself seem smart and better, whereas anyone with Google can do this research. The AVERAGE speedrun Any% is 15 hours. Not the fastest (which is between 7-8 hours). You're lying unless you ONLY speedrun using glitches. This is reported by hundreds of people, mind you, for average times.

You. Are. Lying. You are lying to make your point seem more valid. You are lying out your rear end to make it seem like JRPGs being long is unreasonable when JRPGs are long as a RULE.

I chose to take your challenge and see if I, someone with Google, can do this research. The results are in fact very interesting. Would you look at that? Main story average: 40 hours.

https://howlongtobeat.com/game?id=3524

(And yes, to anyone who want to argue with me with "but these numbers are subjective". So is shortbolt's numbers and it doesn't stop him from speaking them. Just making this clear)

Leisure: 68 hours. Rushed: 25 hours. It appears YOU are correct. 40 hours at decent pace.

Like I said: I did my research on this. It's why I can say it with so much confidence. Like I said, he's lying to make his point seem more grounded.

[shit owl]

Originally posted by Sparky:

There, I said it.

The story itself is fine but getting there has so much back tracking and unnecessary dog-legging it's unbearable.

the pacing in arr feels slow to me because of how many time it was like pray return to the waking sands and so on

[Sparky]

Originally posted by AtmaDarkwolf:

I mean there is the gaslighting again. My attitude has been fine, I have been quite respectful and not once got angry. A little annoyed that words are constantly being taken out of context (or blatantly ignoring major parts of the arguments in question to better fit the expected 'attack' on you guys) but not once angry or upset.

But hey, at least you didn't throw out how unintelligent, impatient, and low class we are (at least this time) for not liking every bit of what is offered.

That's all this person has been doing- It's like they don't actually read what we're saying. They just jump on "WELL I'LL BE GOSHED DARN! I GUESS THIS GAME JUST ISN"T FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU DON"T LIKE STORY!"

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Sparky:

Originally posted by AtmaDarkwolf:

I mean there is the gaslighting again. My attitude has been fine, I have been quite respectful and not once got angry. A little annoyed that words are constantly being taken out of context (or blatantly ignoring major parts of the arguments in question to better fit the expected 'attack' on you guys) but not once angry or upset.

But hey, at least you didn't throw out how unintelligent, impatient, and low class we are (at least this time) for not liking every bit of what is offered.

That's all this person has been doing- It's like they don't actually read what we're saying. They just jump on "WELL I'LL BE GOSHED DARN! I GUESS THIS GAME JUST ISN"T FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU DON"T LIKE STORY!"

What else do you say to someone who hates the core aspect of a game?

[KaosReigns]

Originally posted by Anakha:

Like I said: I did my research on this. It's why I can say it with so much confidence. Like I said, he's lying to make his point seem more grounded.

I am kinda glad someone else took this hit. I was going to post about this very thing earlier, that it just isnt possible for his times to make sense.

However, I tend to get into the most ridiculous debates and arguments with people, I decided to not bother, so thank you bruv for taking the hit from me on this one.

I agree with you though, anyone with basic math skills and has played the game, can instantly call him out on the BS.

[galacticcorgi]

Originally posted by KaosReigns:

Originally posted by Anakha:

Like I said: I did my research on this. It's why I can say it with so much confidence. Like I said, he's lying to make his point seem more grounded.

I am kinda glad someone else took this hit. I was going to post about this very thing earlier, that it just isnt possible for his times to make sense.

However, I tend to get into the most ridiculous debates and arguments with people, I decided to not bother, so thank you bruv for taking the hit from me on this one.

I agree with you though, anyone with basic math skills and has played the game, can instantly call him out on the BS.

FF8 is one of my faves so I KNOW how long it takes.

[Sparky]

When focusing on the main objectives, Final Fantasy VIII is about 40 Hours in length. If you're a gamer that strives to see all aspects of the game, you are likely to spend around 82 Hours to obtain 100% completion