Why so anti-addon?

[Tito]

This is probably just me being an RP centric guy and being spoiled by all of the community made addons that were in WoW, but man, I feel like if the dev team was more supportive of community made Addons, it would make this game even better. I understand that they want to prevent the optimization/automation of gameplay like raiding through parsing addons and damage numbers etc. , but what about the other stuff?

To give an example: I absolutely hate that this game does not have chat bubbles.. I remember seeing on Reddit before that some people prefer it being this way because Limsa would be "flooded with text on screen" but I don't think that would be as big of a problem as people think since other MMOs with Chat bubbles show that it's not that bad at all unless everyone is literally on top of each other chatting at the same time like 100 people in a tavern or something like that.

[RisEltrut]

You can use them. They just are not officially endorsed

[Silamon]

Originally posted by War Maiden:

This is EA, not Full release.
The people whom are making mods are doing so of their own volition.
For the community. Some would like profit, and their work should not be ignored. They work hard, figuring out the code and the lines, and if one finds it useful (which they should) donate to the mod maker, if you enjoy their creation.

Didn't you do this on another thread too? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

The game has not been early access in over a decade.

[Sel Und Irae]

This game has over 200 mods wym "Anti Addon"
Most of them are Lewd Mods aswell.

[War Maiden]

Originally posted by War Maiden:

This is EA, not Full release.
The people whom are making mods are doing so of their own volition.
For the community. Some would like profit, and their work should not be ignored. They work hard, figuring out the code and the lines, and if one finds it useful (which they should) donate to the mod maker, if you enjoy their creation.

Ah, my bad.
Thought I was posting in the BG3 forum.
I do that sometimes. Please forgive my ignorance.
*Head bow to the floor*

[Tito]

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

This game has over 200 mods wym "Anti Addon"
Most of them are Lewd Mods aswell.

But it's all "underground". The game Director himself is anti-addon due to some of them being used for lewd stuff. The policy also states that addons are against the TOS and can be a bannable offence. This drives away many people just on principle.

[Cryptics]

Originally posted by titus:

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

This game has over 200 mods wym "Anti Addon"
Most of them are Lewd Mods aswell.

But it's all "underground". The game Director himself is anti-addon due to some of them being used for lewd stuff. The policy also states that addons are against the TOS and can be a bannable offence. This drives away many people just on principle.

Who does it drive away? They pretty much said not to talk about it and you will be fine, as they don't have a way to know if you are using them.

[Atlas]

Another way to look at not supporting addons officially, is that the developers are forced to make the game as good as it can be with the expectation of people not having addons. If the UI needs improvement, they have to take that on directly over time, and they have done so almost every patch. They are always updating things like the UI and adding QOL features for all players. By contrast, one of WoW's next expansion features is _finally_ updating their UI which was highly reliant on addon developers to make truly usable for all these years.

[Veezora]

Originally posted by titus:

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

This game has over 200 mods wym "Anti Addon"
Most of them are Lewd Mods aswell.

But it's all "underground". The game Director himself is anti-addon due to some of them being used for lewd stuff. The policy also states that addons are against the TOS and can be a bannable offence. This drives away many people just on principle.

While the "official" stance is that they do not support addons, and players using addons, there is a certain amount of wink wink, nudge nudge, saynomore to the developer's intent. The more "unofficial" ruling seems to be, if you don't talk about it, and it's not negatively impacting other's experience, either by you calling out that player, or giving you an unfair advantage, chances are you can use addons without reprecussion.

[War Maiden]

Mods are a fine thing.
Contributed by the community.
They work so long as the game serial stays the same.
If the game updates, either update your files or live with the consequences.

[miqz]

Originally posted by titus:

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

This game has over 200 mods wym "Anti Addon"
Most of them are Lewd Mods aswell.

But it's all "underground". The game Director himself is anti-addon due to some of them being used for lewd stuff. The policy also states that addons are against the TOS and can be a bannable offence. This drives away many people just on principle.

Bannable? sure, impossible for square to detect if you dont literally give them personal evidence? definetely.
Anyone saying you can get banned for addons or generally tries to warn you about it is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who praises the tos like a bible, a whole lot of people stream with addons like dps trackers on screen without getting banned despite that going agaisn't tos
cause square doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥, they couldn't police that even if they wanted to with how inept they are at dealing with botting either

[Freze]

Originally posted by miqz:

Originally posted by titus:

But it's all "underground". The game Director himself is anti-addon due to some of them being used for lewd stuff. The policy also states that addons are against the TOS and can be a bannable offence. This drives away many people just on principle.

Bannable? sure, impossible for square to detect if you dont literally give them personal evidence? definetely.
Anyone saying you can get banned for addons or generally tries to warn you about it is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who praises the tos like a bible, a whole lot of people stream with addons like dps trackers on screen without getting banned despite that going agaisn't tos
cause square doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥, they couldn't police that even if they wanted to with how inept they are at dealing with botting either

You probably not understand the rule. They never said u can't use them the rules just say don't bully players with them like damage meter and idk why people are so hard asking about bots i never really see any aside from some gold bots posting like maybe 5 massages over the whole day in the main city. Report them they getting banned there are other games out there having way more problems with bots then FF.

[miqz]

Originally posted by Freze:

Originally posted by miqz:

Bannable? sure, impossible for square to detect if you dont literally give them personal evidence? definetely.
Anyone saying you can get banned for addons or generally tries to warn you about it is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who praises the tos like a bible, a whole lot of people stream with addons like dps trackers on screen without getting banned despite that going agaisn't tos
cause square doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥, they couldn't police that even if they wanted to with how inept they are at dealing with botting either

You probably not understand the rule. They never said u can't use them the rules just say don't bully players with them like damage meter and idk why people are so hard asking about bots i never really see any aside from some gold bots posting like maybe 5 massages over the whole day in the main city. Report them they getting banned there are other games out there having way more problems with bots then FF.

And how was anything i said beyond that? might not have pointed it out this time but that doesn't still change that squares gm's are also more often than not absolutely useless and reporting people is much harder than it should be
Towards bots, of course you dont see them cause they run around in 20 character trains in some servers clipped underground to farm mobs/xp, the game is absolutely infested with bots and square does absolutely nothing about it, even non botfarmers just run bots for days on end without catching bans

[Stormy Dawn]

Mods are most certainly against the rules. Naoki Yoshida has said so himself and it is in the terms of service.

However, the developers are more than willing to turn a blind eye to mods as long as users aren't openly discussing them, harassing others, or using mods to break or cheat.

They don't really care about people using adult mods either, but they do take issue with people spreading their mods and images online in public settings because it causes legal repercussions.

[causality]

Originally posted by miqz:

And how was anything i said beyond that? might not have pointed it out this time but that doesn't still change that squares gm's are also more often than not absolutely useless and reporting people is much harder than it should be
Towards bots, of course you dont see them cause they run around in 20 character trains in some servers clipped underground to farm mobs/xp, the game is absolutely infested with bots and square does absolutely nothing about it, even non botfarmers just run bots for days on end without catching bans

Can you post proof that the game is infested with bots? Sounds like those flat earther types that assert something is true without any evidence to support their claims.

[Cuponoodle]

Originally posted by casuality:

Originally posted by miqz:

And how was anything i said beyond that? might not have pointed it out this time but that doesn't still change that squares gm's are also more often than not absolutely useless and reporting people is much harder than it should be
Towards bots, of course you dont see them cause they run around in 20 character trains in some servers clipped underground to farm mobs/xp, the game is absolutely infested with bots and square does absolutely nothing about it, even non botfarmers just run bots for days on end without catching bans

Can you post proof that the game is infested with bots? Sounds like those flat earther types that assert something is true without any evidence to support their claims. :cuphead:

I am not sure about infested but the bots are 100% there. I can confirm that much. SE failed to control bots and 3rd party apps in FFXI and has done the same in FFXIV. Their detection is based on patterns, input times and reports so they hardly ever catch any other than the bot trains since people will report them and they are normally also showing patterns and hitting the same button in the same time span every time..

For the OP they took the exact same stance in ffxi and largely ignored most addons.