Gun Breaker Or Dark Knight

[Doctor Ghost Pepper]

Hello all, I'm almost at the end of ARR and looking forward to Heavensward, but wanted to know what you recommend , Gun Breaker or Dark Knight, since I'm currently a Warrior. Thanks

[H-Man]

All classes are good, play the ones u find fun
every single class is viable for endgame if u know how to use it

[causality]

So at 99 and max percentiles DRK does 59 more dps than a GNB.
Much wow. That is definitely a game changer for most players and groups. /s

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yog Sothoth:

To be honest neither are great options. DK was basically forgotten in Endwalker. Which meant every other tank got better and he was left in the dust. As for Gunbreaker. They are better, but fall behind Warrior and Paladin in Endwalker. And believe it or not Warrior actually beats out Paladin at end game by a hair for survivability. So all in all the weakest two tanks are DK and GB.

But this is all semantics as the differences aren't really enough to matter for most people, so I'd say try them both out for a few levels to get an idea on how they play and pick one.

WTF are you talking about, Dark Knight has the most savage opening 10 seconds of any tank, and even beats melee openers in a lot of circumstances. It's exactly what Dark Knight needed, they had the best Mitigation, but their damage was mediocre. Now if you align your Living Shadow and Shadobringer with burst, you will roflstomp even WAR and GNB damage and make them look grey.

Oprindeligt skrevet af causality:

So at 99 and max percentiles DRK does 59 more dps than a GNB.
Much wow. That is definitely a game changer for most players and groups. /s

It's not about the net difference between the two, it's about how far Dark Knight moved up. Before DRK wasn't a class you would consider outside of Prog/learning fights, now that it can compete with and/or beat GNB, raids can get the best of both worlds. Fast clear and DRK's legendary mitigation ability.

Like you said though, the skill ceiling is high to really compete with GNB DPS. But the fact that it's an option outside of meme fights means that balance moved in the right direction.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kurt Cobain:

Hello all, I'm almost at the end of ARR and looking forward to Heavensward, but wanted to know what you recommend , Gun Breaker or Dark Knight, since I'm currently a Warrior. Thanks

Dark Knight will probably be easier for you to jump into. They share some very similar mechanics. Warrior it's a little harder to maintain your damage up Buff (But not hard anyway) but you'll be managing blackblood just like beast gauge. Delirium just like Inner Release. And to some extent, The Blackest Night with Nascent Glint.

I level Warrior, Dark Knight and Paladin for different content. Paladin is far-and-away the best tank in ARR content. Shelltron + mits makes you shrug off Tankbusters even MINE. Even really nasty stuff like Ahk Morn. Warrior is virtually invincible at 60 and beats Dark Knight damage, so there's no reason to play DRK in ironically the expansion that added it. Dark Knight becomes the tank of tanks for 70 Content, being able to carry fights with TBN taking literally 0 damage in some raids.

[Sardorim]

Please. Holm >>>>>>> Trash Living Dead.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dregora:

The differences aren't night and day. They can all tank endgame.

That's not true.

A Dark Knight is pretty much screwed if the healer dies or isn't on point. Dark Mind is also garbage and may as well not exist.

The Warrior can take far more abuse and the Healer will love them.

[Nico Yazawa]

Dark Knight is some hot trash right now.

It has the least healing sustain by FAR and only 2nd in shielding.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscussion/comments/royt59/healingshielding_potencyminute_for_tanks/

If your healer dies and there's no rezzer, you're the least helpful tank to "clutch" a carry.

[Lusus Symphonia]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Koishi Komeiji:

Dark Knight is some hot trash right now.

It has the least healing sustain by FAR and only 2nd in shielding.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscussion/comments/royt59/healingshielding_potencyminute_for_tanks/

If your healer dies and there's no rezzer, you're the least helpful tank to "clutch" a carry.

It's funny reading the replies from diehard DRK players who are struggling with their Stockholm syndrome to admit their tank is far inferior to the others for dungeon runs.

Yes, your DRK can do a 1% DPS gain but that 8s of self healing every 30s allows the healer to blast away creating a much bigger DPS gain.

[Dregora]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sardorim:

Please. Holm >>>>>>> Trash Living Dead.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dregora:

The differences aren't night and day. They can all tank endgame.

That's not true.

A Dark Knight is pretty much screwed if the healer dies or isn't on point. Dark Mind is also garbage and may as well not exist.

The Warrior can take far more abuse and the Healer will love them.

And if the healer doesn't heal the warrior, it's gonna die as well. What's your point? They can still tank endgame content. I never said they're on the exact equal footing, but saying they're not capable of tanking it is also silly. There's just a certain meta where one class comes out on top as usual for that 1% that cares for it, but those could make dark knight work too. Warrior is just easier, but DK certainly isn't impossible.

So it is true.

[Sardorim]

The Warrior can self-sustain in stuff that a Dark Knight never will. You can ask every healer out there and they will tell you that they VASTLY prefer healing Warrior than Dark Knight. There's a reason for that - Warrior is simply the far better Tank.

Dark Knight still has an identity crisis and pretty much useless skills like Dark Mind.

Warrior self-heals way better (Dark Knight pretty much has 0 Self-Heal), does AoE better, has a far easier and more powerful rotation, is far more consistent, way easier to master, greater uptime, hits harder, and has better mitigation. It doesn't have useless mitigation like Dark Mind - all its Mitigation works for all content. Holm is also WAY better than The Living Dead.

Saying that Dark Knight is equal to Warrior is laughable. A good Warrior can pull off 7 Fell Cleaves in a row under their Huge Damage/Crit buffs.

What can a Dark Knight do to match that? Nothing. It Mana cost abilities are garbage too and require much more watching to keep rotating while a Warrior has no such issues.

It is pure naivety to suggest that Dark Knight is fine in its current state as well as a huge disservice to Dark Knight mains.

[causality]

I guess DRK mains won't be satisfied until they are top damage, mitigation, HPS and group utility. Right?

This is now a WAR envy thread.
https://files.catbox.moe/wr7zlt.png

[MOSLEY]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dregora:

And if the healer doesn't heal the warrior, it's gonna die as well.

Have you played warrior?

[Dregora]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sardorim:

The Warrior can self-sustain in stuff that a Dark Knight never will. You can ask every healer out there and they will tell you that they VASTLY prefer healing Warrior than Dark Knight. There's a reason for that - Warrior is simply the far better Tank.

Dark Knight still has an identity crisis and pretty much useless skills like Dark Mind.

Warrior self-heals way better (Dark Knight pretty much has 0 Self-Heal), does AoE better, has a far easier and more powerful rotation, is far more consistent, way easier to master, greater uptime, hits harder, and has better mitigation. It doesn't have useless mitigation like Dark Mind - all its Mitigation works for all content. Holm is also WAY better than The Living Dead.

Saying that Dark Knight is equal to Warrior is laughable. A good Warrior can pull off 7 Fell Cleaves in a row under their Huge Damage/Crit buffs.

What can a Dark Knight do to match that? Nothing. It Mana cost abilities are garbage too and require much more watching to keep rotating while a Warrior has no such issues.

It is pure naivety to suggest that Dark Knight is fine in its current state as well as a huge disservice to Dark Knight mains.

I think you're completely ignoring the fact i've already said warrior is superior, I never once said multiple times they're exactly equal. I said they can both tank endgame content. I've specifically stated and admitted that warrior is superior. I am just saying that it doesn't mean DK CAN'T tank endgame. It's just a little harder and more demanding, but not impossible. I also never said DK's are totally fine the way they are. ALL i'm saying is all tanks can tank all endgame content, some are simply easier to do it with than others for a plethora of reasons. But there's a big difference between not being able to tank it at all or not being able to tank it AS efficiently.

Oprindeligt skrevet af MOSLEY:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dregora:

And if the healer doesn't heal the warrior, it's gonna die as well.

Have you played warrior?

No and I know their self healing is absurd, but i'm pretty sure they can't survive forever in end game. And i'm talking high level raids, not dungeons. I've seen what they can do in dungeons.



Again, non of this is me saying they're equal. They're not. All i'm saying is that DK can still endgame tank.