people are sleeping on the effectiveness of sleep

[epic meow]

sleep is the thaumaturge and black knights best spell. in fact it's one of the best in the game.

fighting two elite enemies that are waay above your level? take turns juggling sleep between the two and fight them one at a time. giving you space to wait for your potions to come off cooldown.

reinforcements heading in to break a tie and kill your party which is already struggling? or just dealing with reinforcements in general? sleep. deal with the reinforcements later. divide and conquer. double your time to kill and halve their time to kill.

group of dangerous enemies stationed up ahead, not aggro'd yet? sleep them and wake them up one at a time. turning a 10 v 1 swarm which would quickly kill you into 10 separate duels you can win in the blink of an eye.

the best part is that it scales phenomenally. it doesn't rely on attribute or gear scaling. doesn't fall off when you get access to newer more powerful spells. 1 minute of sleep for a group of enemies is just as impactful in the early game as it is in the late game. sleep doesn't have binary weaknesses or strengths. it doesn't discriminate between characters or enemies. 1 minute of sleep is always 1 minute of sleep.

although a highly situational spell that's hard to coordinate with random party members, the sleep spell is extremely powerful. even more so outside dungeons where it's almost always at peak usefulness and the opportunities to make maximum use of it are everywhere. crazy strong.

that's my hot take.

[epic meow]

it's one of if not the saving graces of the black knight in terms of fun

[Fal]

its only usefull in dungeons to skip mobs and go straight to the boss room, outside is pointless because you dont agroo groups of mobs ,and its not exclusive to BLM all casters DPSs have sleep

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Fal:

its only usefull in dungeons to skip mobs and go straight to the boss room, outside is pointless because you dont agroo groups of mobs ,and its not exclusive to BLM all casters DPSs have sleep

Moreso since, at 10 mobs, AOEs deal far more damage than a single-target rotation, meaning the tank, the other DPS, and the healer are all going to shut off the effect just by playing their jobs normally.

[Overeagerdragon]

Originally posted by Fal:

its only usefull in dungeons to skip mobs and go straight to the boss room, outside is pointless because you dont agroo groups of mobs ,and its not exclusive to BLM all casters DPSs have sleep

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Sleep is only useful in Bozja, I think? It does have its use in the open world at times too. But ultimately? It's just never used in any duty content. DPS will do more "damage" than sleep. I mean time-wise. If you have to get rid of mobs, destroy them with power, not with sleep. :)

ACTUALLY; if you know how to time it right it can ALSO be used as an interupt and I use it frequently to apply the sleep for that reason alone...enemy casting a flare? Sleep will cast sooner and interrupt it even if they get continually pounded on. Soloing PotD and encountering a lot of adamantoises? Cast sleep after you first spell to interupt their ground AoE....Succubi? Same deal; sleep will cast sooner.

People REALLY don't understand how powerful sleep can be as a interrupt.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Overeagerdragon:

Originally posted by Fal:

its only usefull in dungeons to skip mobs and go straight to the boss room, outside is pointless because you dont agroo groups of mobs ,and its not exclusive to BLM all casters DPSs have sleep

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Sleep is only useful in Bozja, I think? It does have its use in the open world at times too. But ultimately? It's just never used in any duty content. DPS will do more "damage" than sleep. I mean time-wise. If you have to get rid of mobs, destroy them with power, not with sleep. :)

ACTUALLY; if you know how to time it right it can ALSO be used as an interupt and I use it frequently to apply the sleep for that reason alone...enemy casting a flare? Sleep will cast sooner and interrupt it even if they get continually pounded on. Soloing PotD and encountering a lot of adamantoises? Cast sleep after you first spell to interupt their ground AoE....Succubi? Same deal; sleep will cast sooner.

People REALLY don't understand how powerful sleep can be as a interrupt.

And in group content, you're just cutting your own DPS to stop an attack that wouldn't kill the tank anyway. You should be using your AOEs more instead of wasting GCDs on Sleep.

[GeminiEclipse]

Any enemy that can be slept can probably be stunned. Or if ranged phys/tanks remember they have an interrupt ability for those one off casts that can be interrupted.

People aren't sleeping on the effectiveness of sleep. It's just not effective when there's ogcd versions that other jobs can do.

[GeminiEclipse]

Stun works 3 times.

[GeminiEclipse]

I don't know when it started but it's been like that since I've played which was mid Shadowbringers.

The third stun doesn't last long though.

[Amateur Nitpicker]

I use sleep if the tank and healer is dead to runaway in dungeons. Also really useful on Prae... the running phase where 2 magictechs and 3 npc mobs. Always first one and I never evah died XD

[epic meow]

Originally posted by Overeagerdragon:

Originally posted by Fal:

its only usefull in dungeons to skip mobs and go straight to the boss room, outside is pointless because you dont agroo groups of mobs ,and its not exclusive to BLM all casters DPSs have sleep

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Sleep is only useful in Bozja, I think? It does have its use in the open world at times too. But ultimately? It's just never used in any duty content. DPS will do more "damage" than sleep. I mean time-wise. If you have to get rid of mobs, destroy them with power, not with sleep. :)

ACTUALLY; if you know how to time it right it can ALSO be used as an interupt and I use it frequently to apply the sleep for that reason alone...enemy casting a flare? Sleep will cast sooner and interrupt it even if they get continually pounded on. Soloing PotD and encountering a lot of adamantoises? Cast sleep after you first spell to interupt their ground AoE....Succubi? Same deal; sleep will cast sooner.

People REALLY don't understand how powerful sleep can be as a interrupt.

oh yea i forgot to mention this. completely true. they even draw attention to this in the tooltip and yet i rarely see someone use it.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Sleep and Repose are useful in BA and Deep Dungeons, and nowhere else.

[《FRU》 ~Fructis Norva~]

Originally posted by weird32:

I use sleep if the tank and healer is dead to runaway in dungeons.

Same, its at least 30 secs to fix something quick, but if the other DPS is hitting them while they sleep, they gonna wake up instantly, another cast will probally have 15 secs sleep etc.
I am mostly using it on expert when i trigger some enemies but the tank is a bit behind.
Or on those 2 adds on the lvl 49 trial (which gets removed soon™), lol.

[Holmgäng]

Just level up arcane for insta bleed and power stance polearms with seppuku ashe of war

[causality]

Originally posted by Gravity Prankster:

Just level up arcane for insta bleed and power stance polearms with seppuku ashe of war

Arcane actually doesn't scale that well for the purposes of bleed application. At the most, hitting each soft cap means you will need 1 less swing to proc bleed (varies between weapons).

[Izeyash]

Originally posted by casuality:

Originally posted by Gravity Prankster:

Just level up arcane for insta bleed and power stance polearms with seppuku ashe of war

Arcane actually doesn't scale that well for the purposes of bleed application. At the most, hitting each soft cap means you will need 1 less swing to proc bleed (varies between weapons). :cuphead:

I heard rivers of blood is insane now. Didn't try it yet.