How difficult is it to farm E12S for 530 gear?

[GioGio「ジオジオ」]

I plan to get my lvl 80 jobs to max ilvl once I finish 5.3

[Lusus Symphonia]

Depends entirely on who runs the raids with you.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNAF5pAQENI

Everything is easy eventually with enough practice. Even the Ultimates.

[MOSLEY]

It isn't worth it this close to Endwalker. You're gonna be leveling and replacing all that gear in a month anyway.

[Om3ga-Z3ro]

At this point there is no point, unless you want to get them for glamour.

[omegazeda]

As long as your latency is good play Savages and Ultimates and you'll get your high ilvl gear.
Or do Resistance raids for 525 ilvl armor sets.

[Casval Zem Daikun]

Considering this is a pretty weird question to ask on the steam forum of all places, I'm going to assume OP doesn't have a lot of experience raiding.
If that's true, I'd say it's 100% worth it as a learning experience alone.

[GioGio「ジオジオ」]

Originally posted by Casval Zem Daikun:

Considering this is a pretty weird question to ask on the steam forum of all places, I'm going to assume OP doesn't have a lot of experience raiding.
If that's true, I'd say it's 100% worth it as a learning experience alone.

I have a good amount of experience doing raids, just wanted to see if it was even worth doing in which case most people are saying no it isnt

[Casval Zem Daikun]

Originally posted by GioGio「ジオジオ」:

Originally posted by Casval Zem Daikun:

Considering this is a pretty weird question to ask on the steam forum of all places, I'm going to assume OP doesn't have a lot of experience raiding.
If that's true, I'd say it's 100% worth it as a learning experience alone.

I have a good amount of experience doing raids, just wanted to see if it was even worth doing in which case most people are saying no it isnt

rip
yea not really worth it unless you want glam/mount/completion

[Nerevar]

as of this point in time with a total gear reset this close to happen? not worth it. in this game in generel its a waste of time trying to max gear all characters and normally it isnt even possible due to weekly restrictions. this is the only time where you could even do it to begin with. at the end of a patchcycle. during a cycle its impossible for like 90% of the time.

530 gear will be outclassed DAY ONE come endwalker and be replaced by gear from questing and dungeons.

[Casval Zem Daikun]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

as of this point in time with a total gear reset this close to happen? not worth it. in this game in generel its a waste of time trying to max gear all characters and normally it isnt even possible due to weekly restrictions. this is the only time where you could even do it to begin with. at the end of a patchcycle. during a cycle its impossible for like 90% of the time.

530 gear will be outclassed DAY ONE come endwalker and be replaced by gear from questing and dungeons.

Yea, that ain't true. BiS gear usually lasts at least a few levels into the expac.
For reference, the Omega Rod was ilvl 405. The Lakeland Rod was ilvl 390.
It's not until lvl 75 that a dungeon staff creeps ahead and even that's debatable:

Ravel Keeper's Rod: ilvl 406, int 405, 0 spell speed
Omega Rod: ilvl 405, int 403, 356 spell speed

This trend was present in HW -> SB too.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by Casval Zem Daikun:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

as of this point in time with a total gear reset this close to happen? not worth it. in this game in generel its a waste of time trying to max gear all characters and normally it isnt even possible due to weekly restrictions. this is the only time where you could even do it to begin with. at the end of a patchcycle. during a cycle its impossible for like 90% of the time.

530 gear will be outclassed DAY ONE come endwalker and be replaced by gear from questing and dungeons.

Yea, that ain't true. BiS gear usually lasts at least a few levels into the expac.
For reference, the Omega Rod was ilvl 405. The Lakeland Rod was ilvl 390.
It's not until lvl 75 that a dungeon staff creeps ahead and even that's debatable:

Ravel Keeper's Rod: ilvl 406, int 405, 0 spell speed
Omega Rod: ilvl 405, int 403, 356 spell speed

This trend was present in HW -> SB too.

Yeah, you could even observe this with just tomestone gear, Augmented Ironworks (ILVL130, LVL50) was superior to anything in Heavensward until around level 56.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by Casval Zem Daikun:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

as of this point in time with a total gear reset this close to happen? not worth it. in this game in generel its a waste of time trying to max gear all characters and normally it isnt even possible due to weekly restrictions. this is the only time where you could even do it to begin with. at the end of a patchcycle. during a cycle its impossible for like 90% of the time.

530 gear will be outclassed DAY ONE come endwalker and be replaced by gear from questing and dungeons.

Yea, that ain't true. BiS gear usually lasts at least a few levels into the expac.
For reference, the Omega Rod was ilvl 405. The Lakeland Rod was ilvl 390.
It's not until lvl 75 that a dungeon staff creeps ahead and even that's debatable:

Ravel Keeper's Rod: ilvl 406, int 405, 0 spell speed
Omega Rod: ilvl 405, int 403, 356 spell speed

This trend was present in HW -> SB too.

yeah. keep tryharding to excuse that pointless farming for gear now. i was present during ALL 3 dlc launches for this game. its always the same pattern.

bis gear is 100% irrelevant for endwalker. why? cause you level STUPID FAST in this game. your BIS which took you weeks to get now is worthless within less than 12 hours of endwalkers release. simple fact of reality.
this games dungeons and questcontent are so laughable easy and braindead it just doesnt matter if you run around in 520 gear or i530 gear for it. you wont notice it. at all. heck you would still get trough even in in i500 gear. you will never have to farm or grind new dungeons for gear with that either. the game tosses better gear at you during new MSQ. always did. will do again this time.

what i said is simply correct therefore. like. i was there. 3 times. its always the same. the fact you believe ilvls matter for the LEVELING experience AT ALL in this game is just sad. yes you have a SLIGHTLY better number. will you NOTICE IT tough while leveling? nope. you will not. just like the last 3 times.

[Casval Zem Daikun]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

yeah. keep tryharding to excuse that pointless farming for gear now. i was present during ALL 3 dlc launches for this game. its always the same pattern.

I'm not try-harding. I'm just pointing out your statement isn't exactly accurate.
I'm also not proposing to farm E12S just to skip some levels of dungeon gear. Like I said, just pointing stuff out.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

bis gear is 100% irrelevant for endwalker. why? cause you level STUPID FAST in this game. your BIS which took you weeks to get now is worthless within less than 12 hours of endwalkers release. simple fact of reality.

If you manage to get 80-87 in 12 hours, good on you.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

this games dungeons and questcontent are so laughable easy and braindead it just doesnt matter if you run around in 520 gear or i530 gear for it. you wont notice it. at all.

I don't think anyone argued how easy the content is, or how big of a difference 520 vs 530 makes. It was legit just pointing out an inaccuracy.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

what i said is simply correct therefore. like. i was there. 3 times. its always the same. the fact you believe ilvls matter for the LEVELING experience AT ALL in this game is just sad. yes you have a SLIGHTLY better number. will you NOTICE IT tough while leveling? nope. you will not. just like the last 3 times.

What you said is factually and demonstrably wrong. You can log in and check the data. It would appear that half, if not slightly more, of the leveling process is effectively irrelevant with BiS gear from the previous expansion.

Whether you want to argue about the leveling process or not, higher item levels generally convey: Higher weapon damage, higher base stats, higher secondary stats, and higher defense. Not to mention increased HP. If you want to argue how much these things matter, sure, go ahead. However, they genuinely do matter.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by Casval Zem Daikun:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

yeah. keep tryharding to excuse that pointless farming for gear now. i was present during ALL 3 dlc launches for this game. its always the same pattern.

I'm not try-harding. I'm just pointing out your statement isn't exactly accurate.
I'm also not proposing to farm E12S just to skip some levels of dungeon gear. Like I said, just pointing stuff out.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

bis gear is 100% irrelevant for endwalker. why? cause you level STUPID FAST in this game. your BIS which took you weeks to get now is worthless within less than 12 hours of endwalkers release. simple fact of reality.

If you manage to get 80-87 in 12 hours, good on you.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

this games dungeons and questcontent are so laughable easy and braindead it just doesnt matter if you run around in 520 gear or i530 gear for it. you wont notice it. at all.

I don't think anyone argued how easy the content is, or how big of a difference 520 vs 530 makes. It was legit just pointing out an inaccuracy.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

what i said is simply correct therefore. like. i was there. 3 times. its always the same. the fact you believe ilvls matter for the LEVELING experience AT ALL in this game is just sad. yes you have a SLIGHTLY better number. will you NOTICE IT tough while leveling? nope. you will not. just like the last 3 times.

What you said is factually and demonstrably wrong. You can log in and check the data. It would appear that half, if not slightly more, of the leveling process is effectively irrelevant with BiS gear from the previous expansion.

Whether you want to argue about the leveling process or not, higher item levels generally convey: Higher weapon damage, higher base stats, higher secondary stats, and higher defense. Not to mention increased HP. If you want to argue how much these things matter, sure, go ahead. However, they genuinely do matter.

youre nitpicking here dude just to have a pointless argument. it doesnt matter. there is just no difference to the leveling process whenever you have bis or not. why? the scaling. let me give you a simple example of what i mean :

in the new leveling dungeons as a tank with i520 gear you can pull lets say 2 groups of enemies at most. THE SAME is the case with BIS gear. as if you pull the 3rd group you WILL DIE no matter what gear you have as the difference just isnt big or rather say IMPACTFUL enough to make a difference same for the dps aspect you might clear the dungeon like 1-2 minutes faster in BIS gear (IF everyone has it not only you) but does that really matter? no as youre not speedrunning endwalker like probaly 99.9% of players wont.

the leveling experience in this game is different than the endgame progression where ilvl is the only thing that matters. at endgame you will notice 10-20 ilvl difference. during leveling you wont. and that never changed so far.

the content is DESIGNED for the lowest common ilvl possible to be cleared. which clearly wont be i530 for the first 5-6 levels. not even close to that.

also makeing 80-85 in 12 hours isnt really difficult to do. leveling in this game is silly quick like i said. anyone who argues for getting BIS at this point in time is literally just looking for a way to effectively waste thier time for no real gain in the end. sad fact.

this game simply does not reward gear progression longterm. never did. thus trying to get BIS now is by all means just a waste of time in terms of stats more so than anything else.

[Casval Zem Daikun]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

youre nitpicking here dude just to have a pointless argument. it doesnt matter. there is just no difference to the leveling process whenever you have bis or not. why? the scaling. let me give you a simple example of what i mean :

I wasn't actually starting an argument. I was just pointing out that your statement wasn't as accurate as you thought it was. Apparently, someone else thought the same. Anyone who goes in game and simply looks at items of various item levels can see it too.

But I'll entertain this for a while.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

in the new leveling dungeons as a tank with i520 gear you can pull lets say 2 groups of enemies at most. THE SAME is the case with BIS gear. as if you pull the 3rd group you WILL DIE no matter what gear you have as the difference just isnt big or rather say IMPACTFUL enough to make a difference same for the dps aspect you might clear the dungeon like 1-2 minutes faster in BIS gear (IF everyone has it not only you) but does that really matter? no as youre not speedrunning endwalker like probaly 99.9% of players wont.

You should really make use of periods and commas.
Your example leaves out literally every factor except "Did you die". As someone who woefully still plays healers, I'd rather have the 530 tank over the 520 tank. As those 10 item levels are probably gonna save me GCD heals and allow me to DPS more. This increases kill time. Increased kill time means finishing the dungeon faster. Finishing the dungeon faster means I level faster.

Also when did speedrunning become a topic of discussion? I'm not sure how you're going to say 99.9% of players aren't "speedrunning endwalker" yet you're covering 70% of the leveling process in 12 hours as you stated earlier.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

the leveling experience in this game is different than the endgame progression where ilvl is the only thing that matters. at endgame you will notice 10-20 ilvl difference. during leveling you wont. and that never changed so far.

Item level isn't the only thing that matters but ok.
And uh, ok. Good for you, you don't notice the difference.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

the content is DESIGNED for the lowest common ilvl possible to be cleared. which clearly wont be i530 for the first 5-6 levels. not even close to that.

Following this logic, I have no reason to upgrade past 515 since people were clearing E12S around that item level. After all, the content was designed for lowest ilvl possible, right?

Originally posted by Nerevar:

also makeing 80-85 in 12 hours isnt really difficult to do. leveling in this game is silly quick like i said. anyone who argues for getting BIS at this point in time is literally just looking for a way to effectively waste thier time for no real gain in the end. sad fact.

I see we've shifted the goal posts to 85 instead of 87. Following the trend of HW, SB, and ShB, that you refuse to accept, dungeon gear matches last expac's BiS at 85. It doesn't particularly become a vertical upgrade until 87.
But, ok, sure. You're pulling this off in 12 hours. Again, good for you.

Also, I never advocated for farming E12S just for the leveling experience. I literally just corrected you that the gear is "worthless from day 1".

Originally posted by Nerevar:

this game simply does not reward gear progression longterm. never did. thus trying to get BIS now is by all means just a waste of time in terms of stats more so than anything else.

Ok.