Remember when Bard didn't Suck?

[No' Name]

So, I was playing the Bard just to unlocking performance, since it was one of the few classes I hadn't played too much, and I remember way back when they actually used to be strong, and considered one of the top DPS, if not the top at one point.

Man, am I ever disappointed in how this class turned out now. I'm level 51 with it as of now, and have a friend who swapped mains from Bard, to Dragoon, because of the issue's I'm talking to them about.

Apparently bards used to have a ton more skills to play around with, and their base skills didn't actually out-perform the new one's they obtain. For example "Heavy Shot" potency 180, this is the very first skill you start out with, "Blood Letter" obtained at level 12, potency of 150, and the only reason you'd actually want to use this skill, is because it's a separate cooldown from the very first skill you start with.

Cool, so surely I get better skills later on, right? Venom bite, stacks a DoT with a potency of 30 per second, for 30 seconds. Windbite, stacks a DoT with a potency of 40, per second, for 30 seconds... So great, I total combined of 70 potency per second, for 30 seconds, each of these share a cooldown with what I can only assume to be the best skill the bard has "Heavy Shot", since I can easily out damage any of that "Sweet" DoT damage per second.

Great, so Bard's newer skills suck, and their DoT's stuck compared to the basic normal attack, surely they MUST be more useful than just spamming "Heavy Shot" all day right?

Oh, I can finally play Songs? Finally, something a Bard is supposedly supposed to be good at. Oh wait... the song's don't apply to me? Just my party? And if I happen to have another Bard in the party, they overlap each other, if we happen to use the same song? Oh, and in order for my additional effects to happen, I HAVE to have the DoT's applied, which only have a 20% chance of proc'ing the effects per second, and if both are applied, you'd think it'd be closer to 50% chance per second (really being 40% a second), so wait... How is it even possible to get go 30 seconds with a song without one F_cking Proc happening?

Anyways, thought I'd rant about this. Not that I'm going to stop playing the class, but damn, what the hell happened to this class? It's been absolutely butchered, so much so that even dps video's show it sitting around 15-16K dps/per sec, which is nearly 5K less damage than every other DPS class out there. Heck, I'm sure a tank can out DPS a bard now.

This class is just not enjoyable, spamming 1 (Heavy shot) in every dungeon, because the other skills suck that hard, is just absurd. Not only is it the least damaging class, it's also the most BORING Class outside of using the performance when out of dungeons.

[Aldain]

Honestly they'd likely be more DPS competitive if their own songs would at least effect themselves too.

Still don't get why that's not a thing.

[Azurda]

Originally posted by Humor:

and I remember way back when they actually used to be strong, and considered one of the top DPS, if not the top at one point.

You playing some other game?

[No' Name]

Originally posted by Azurda:

Originally posted by Humor:

and I remember way back when they actually used to be strong, and considered one of the top DPS, if not the top at one point.

You playing some other game?

Yeah, the game where it didn't get dumbed down so much that it destroyed classes that USED to be fun.

[Azurda]

Originally posted by Humor:

Yeah, the game where it didn't get dumbed down so much that it destroyed classes that USED to be fun.

I bet it was fun, when bard had cast times on all the gcds :^)

[No' Name]

Originally posted by Azurda:

Originally posted by Humor:

Yeah, the game where it didn't get dumbed down so much that it destroyed classes that USED to be fun.

I bet it was fun, when bard had cast times on all the gcds :^)

Yes, it was also fun when TP was a thing before they removed that too, because people who are bad at the game couldn't manage resources well enough.

Course, if you don't even know what TP used to be, there'd be no point in further conversation.

[Azurda]

Originally posted by Humor:

Yes, it was also fun when TP was a thing before they removed that too, because people who are bad at the game couldn't manage resources well enough.

Tru. Just as fun as non resetting CD's after deaths :^^^^)

[Last Place (Makeaton)]

Originally posted by Humor:

I'm level 51

I appreciate the effort you put into your review, but, if this was a movie review, I'd give you 1/5 for only reviewing the first 10 minutes of a movie and ignoring the rest.

[No' Name]

Originally posted by Last Place:

Originally posted by Humor:

I'm level 51

I appreciate the effort you put into your review, but, if this was a movie review, I'd give you 1/5 for only reviewing the first 10 minutes of a movie and ignoring the rest.

Good thing it's not a Movie Review, and it's a "Class Impression" video, based on how myself, and probably a good majority who quit the class feel about bard too.

It's weak, it's support sucks, and it's nothing like what it used to be like. It's an absolutely boring class to play, and the only noteworthy thing is the "performance" action you unlock at lvl 30 as a Bard, and after you unlock it, you might as well hang up their fighting gear.

If I Tank class can out DPS a DPS specific class... Well, something is wrong.

[Azurda]

Originally posted by Humor:

It's weak, it's support sucks, and it's nothing like what it used to be like. It's an absolutely boring class to play,

Tru. I mean everyone loved brd with its amazing lowest dps, gcd's with casttime and the only useful skills being mp/tp regen.

Originally posted by Humor:

If I Tank class can out DPS a DPS specific class... Well, something is wrong.

Totally wrong. Why arent you in world first raid groups when you can push 13k avg dps tanks to deal more than 19-20k avg dps bards? Thats some very wrong ♥♥♥♥.

[No' Name]

Originally posted by Azurda:

Originally posted by Humor:

It's weak, it's support sucks, and it's nothing like what it used to be like. It's an absolutely boring class to play,

Tru. I mean everyone loved brd with its amazing lowest dps, gcd's with casttime and the only useful skills being mp/tp regen.

Originally posted by Humor:

If I Tank class can out DPS a DPS specific class... Well, something is wrong.

Totally wrong. Why arent you in world first raid groups when you can push 13k avg dps tanks to deal more than 19-20k avg dps bards? Thats some very wrong ♥♥♥♥.

I mean being able to Regen Mana/TP back then is still 10x what a bard can do now... So you're right, they were very useful skills back then. And if MP worked the same as it did back then, it would still be incredibly useful.

Either or, argue all you want. People don't "Magically" swap from being a Bard to a any other DPS class in the entire game for no reason.

Tell you what, you personally show me YOUR dps as a bard, IN GAME, and if you prove me wrong (which you won't), I'll accept I'm just a terrible Bard. Target can't be a training dummy, that doesn't do anything either.

Talk to me when you can prove it. Otherwise, whatever you have to say, doesn't mean a damn.

[Grenthy]

Considering your DoTs are either on par or higher than Heavy Shots 180 potency, proc your song effects, and later can be both refreshed by a single GCD I would hardly call them useless. Minuet gives you stacks for a VERY strong single target, mages lets you spam bloodletter, an oGCD you can use between GCDs and Paeon is just... paeon.

My issue with Bard at the moment is its previous identity. I started late stormblood, so I'm not sure how it played in arr and hs. But I loved the idea a supporty ranged DPS. But dancer was added, and square seemed to neuter bard's support to make dancer's stand out more.

[Azurda]

Originally posted by Humor:

Tell you what, you personally show me YOUR dps as a bard, IN GAME, and if you prove me wrong (which you won't), I'll accept I'm just a terrible Bard. Target can't be a training dummy, that doesn't do anything either.

Talk to me when you can prove it. Otherwise, whatever you have to say, doesn't mean a damn.

I can ♥♥♥♥ in you with my 95+ on pld and then ♥♥♥♥ on you with avg logs of bards this tier. Stop being garbage and learn your rotation.

[Last Place (Makeaton)]

Originally posted by Seraphina:

Let's not pretend bard doesn't suck, here... Bard is a weak class that would need a buff.

Weird use of ellipses, but sure.
I never said Bard sucks, Unless you're word jumbeling, I don't even come close to combination of those words.

He's making a broad assumption on a class he hasen't played beyond vanilla. I'm not saying he's wrong or right, I'm just saying he ignores massive parts of the class because he himself hasen't reached those yet.

[Shinkiro]

Originally posted by Humor:

Cool, so surely I get better skills later on, right? Venom bite, stacks a DoT with a potency of 30 per second, for 30 seconds. Windbite, stacks a DoT with a potency of 40, per second, for 30 seconds... So great, I total combined of 70 potency per second, for 30 seconds, each of these share a cooldown with what I can only assume to be the best skill the bard has "Heavy Shot", since I can easily out damage any of that "Sweet" DoT damage per second.

Great, so Bard's newer skills suck, and their DoT's stuck compared to the basic normal attack, surely they MUST be more useful than just spamming "Heavy Shot" all day right?

This right here shows you have no f***ing clue what you're on about..

Venomous Bite is a 100pot hit + 300 potency of dot damage from ONE GCD, that is BETTER than using a heavy shot.

Windbite is 60pot hit + 400 potency of dot damage from ONE GCD, again BETTER than using a heavy shot.

Both are better use of a GCD when they arent active than Heavy Shot, and then an even better use of a GCD when it comes to refresh them because then its a total of 700 dot potency for one GCD vs 180 of Heavy shot...

Bards dots are their most effective damage per GCD/second than any other skill in their kit, Heavy Shot is nothing but FILLER[/b]. Bard damage IS dot damage with a filler GCD attack and OGCDs inbetween refreshes.

[Shinkiro]

Originally posted by Shinkiro:

Originally posted by Humor:

Cool, so surely I get better skills later on, right? Venom bite, stacks a DoT with a potency of 30 per second, for 30 seconds. Windbite, stacks a DoT with a potency of 40, per second, for 30 seconds... So great, I total combined of 70 potency per second, for 30 seconds, each of these share a cooldown with what I can only assume to be the best skill the bard has "Heavy Shot", since I can easily out damage any of that "Sweet" DoT damage per second.

Great, so Bard's newer skills suck, and their DoT's stuck compared to the basic normal attack, surely they MUST be more useful than just spamming "Heavy Shot" all day right?

This right here shows you have no f***ing clue what you're on about..

Venomous Bite is a 100pot hit + 300 potency of dot damage from ONE GCD, that is BETTER than using a heavy shot.

Windbite is 60pot hit + 400 potency of dot damage from ONE GCD, again BETTER than using a heavy shot.

Both are better use of a GCD when they arent active than Heavy Shot, and then an even better use of a GCD when it comes to refresh them because then its a total of 700 dot potency for one GCD vs 180 of Heavy shot...

Bards dots are their most effective damage per GCD/second than any other skill in their kit, Heavy Shot is nothing but FILLER. Bard damage IS dot damage with a filler GCD attack and OGCDs inbetween refreshes.