Stop locking the campaign progress behind dungeons

[schmonz]

I am somewhere at level 24, and cannot progress the campaign due to the fact i still have to run tam tara, the dungeon. I dislike dungeon. I cannot stand dungeons. Even that much i still do not even know if i ever want run them. My wish would be the devs would stop locking the campaign progress behind dungeon visits.

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Publicado originalmente por schmonz:

I would like to add: I do not think FFXIV is that successfull because of enforced group play, but despite of it. I also really wonder how many of those who started playing the game ever made it to endgame level considering how awkward the leveling process is.

Honestly it's probably successful because the community isn't insanely toxic. At least in my experience. Getting a good Free Company or getting into a good group of people is extremely important. The leveling process isn't awkward at all? It's pretty much par the course for any MMO that allows you to multi class as whatever you want, whenever you want.

[Vasya Pupkin]

Publicado originalmente por Redbl0odx:

In what universe do you get in instantly as a tank? I literally waited a half an hour, more than once, while trying to get through ARR. The only times I have ever had an instant group was when I also had a healer with me.

If you are selecting specific dungeon then the finder may run for a few minutes even with a healer, because there are optional dungeons not required for main story content, which have fewer players queueing in for. Basically you are then waiting for 50/60/70 roulette or Mentor roulette people to fill your party specifically. And that roulette has both optional and mandatory dungeons there hence the wait times are longer

And between 1 and 49, 51-59, 61-69 and 71-79 you are waiting for Leveling or Mentor roulette people if there are none also queueing for same dungeon

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Publicado originalmente por Vasya Pupkin:

Publicado originalmente por Redbl0odx:

In what universe do you get in instantly as a tank? I literally waited a half an hour, more than once, while trying to get through ARR. The only times I have ever had an instant group was when I also had a healer with me.

If you are selecting specific dungeon then the finder may run for a few minutes even with a healer, because there are optional dungeons not required for main story content, which have fewer players queueing in for. Basically you are then waiting for 50/60/70 roulette or Mentor roulette people to fill your party specifically. And that roulette has both optional and mandatory dungeons there hence the wait times are longer

And between 1 and 49, 51-59, 61-69 and 71-79 you are waiting for Leveling or Mentor roulette people if there are none also queueing for same dungeon

I understand how the game works, I was just pointing out that durring the early game when you have to do very specific dungeons, as a tank, sometimes the queue can get hilariously bad. When I had my healer friend it was almost always instant, but by myself, It was never less than like 10 minutes. Durring normal DF I get in...fairly quickly.

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Publicado originalmente por schmonz:

I would like to add: I do not think FFXIV is that successfull because of enforced group play, but despite of it. I also really wonder how many of those who started playing the game ever made it to endgame level considering how awkward the leveling process is.

It's not awkward. Some of the best moments in the game are the way they are as a result of having to play with others.. and that's long before you reach endgame.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Standard MSQ dungeons are so easy that you can do them while half a sleep with 0 player interactions so i don't understand OPs issue with it honestly... just look at players as npcs and casually walk through the dungeons trials lol

[Raansu]

Publicado originalmente por Redbl0odx:

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

In what universe are you in where it takes a half hour to get a DF pop as a tank? Outside of old alliance raids, the pop times for DF as a tank is literally instant 99% of the time.

In what universe do you get in instantly as a tank? I literally waited a half an hour, more than once, while trying to get through ARR. The only times I have ever had an instant group was when I also had a healer with me.

The only way I would even remotely believe you is if you're playing the game at 3 in the morning. No way are you waiting a half an hour as a tank during prime time. I rarely, if ever wait more than 2 minutes for a queue when I'm on tank with the only exception being content that is not in the roulettes like EX fights and alliance raids because no one queues for EX fights outside of PF groups and alliance raids is just the nature of being 24 man raids and it takes time to find enough players.

[Jim Lahey]

Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Publicado originalmente por Redbl0odx:

In what universe do you get in instantly as a tank? I literally waited a half an hour, more than once, while trying to get through ARR. The only times I have ever had an instant group was when I also had a healer with me.

The only way I would even remotely believe you is if you're playing the game at 3 in the morning. No way are you waiting a half an hour as a tank during prime time. I rarely, if ever wait more than 2 minutes for a queue when I'm on tank with the only exception being content that is not in the roulettes like EX fights and alliance raids because no one queues for EX fights outside of PF groups and alliance raids is just the nature of being 24 man raids and it takes time to find enough players.

I normally just /shout "Forming dungeon farming party" in a busy major city. 3 people joining later including the occasional blue mages which takes at most 1 or 2 minutes and no waiting for another dungeon after that.


I think the problem is that people are too lazy and rely on the duty finder far too often to simply get off their ass and form a party them selves.

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Publicado originalmente por Raansu:

Publicado originalmente por Redbl0odx:

In what universe do you get in instantly as a tank? I literally waited a half an hour, more than once, while trying to get through ARR. The only times I have ever had an instant group was when I also had a healer with me.

The only way I would even remotely believe you is if you're playing the game at 3 in the morning. No way are you waiting a half an hour as a tank during prime time. I rarely, if ever wait more than 2 minutes for a queue when I'm on tank with the only exception being content that is not in the roulettes like EX fights and alliance raids because no one queues for EX fights outside of PF groups and alliance raids is just the nature of being 24 man raids and it takes time to find enough players.

I mean, you don't have to believe me. Does it really matter to you if I had a horrible time with the queue times? I have had several occasions of waiting way longer than I would consider acceptable just to get into a dungeon to finish a MSQ.

I don't run into this problem anymore, mainly because I try to group up with people in my FC now and other people I play with. Which I did not have when I had those queue problems originally.

[Quincy Quinn]

Listen, I'm like you in that I enjoy the singleplayer fighting aspects more than anything else and what draws me to these kind of MMOs is the great amount of customization and endless stuff to do and by far the worst of it, to me, is having to work with other people, the dungeon aspects. I didn't come here because I like multiplayer.

However, knowing that this IS a multiplayer game (MMO being short for MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE), I know that that's just personal preference of mine and that I need to suck it up and deal. And I recommend the same for you, in all seriousness and sincerity.

Personally, I also have been avoiding progress because the next story quest is after replaying the *Extreme* versions of some previous boss fights (I'm around level 50 in the main quest levels), so until I feel like going through fights for who-knows-how-long again, I just mess around with some other stuff. Maybe use the Hunting Log and Levequests as a tool for leveling up Jobs I liked outside of my main. (I main White Mage, am focusing on Archer/Bard as my secondary, am having fun with Blue Mage but limited jobs operate differently and good luck getting into dungeons to learn certain spells without help, and I dipped my toes into the other magic-based classes as well.)

Know what you like in the game, and do what you like. Ultimately, it's up to you, taking this game as it stands, if the actually MMO aspect of this MMO game is a dealbreaker for you.

[Quincy Quinn]

Publicado originalmente por bibron:

Publicado originalmente por luckyaj:

As a life long solo I felt the exact same way when i realized i had to do group content, but since i made a healer as my first class I figured out early dungeons are super easy and everyone loves me... and if they dont love me they dont get healed :luv:

Why do you play healer, if you're planning on playing solo?
What's the point of a healer solo? I'm really confused.

I can clarify as I had a similar experience, if you read my reply above.

Singleplayer as a healer is a lot more fun than you'd think. It's true that you don't have that much variety in terms of attacks, but I'm constantly able to buff myself with heals during fights, so in the end I felt like I was running down most mobs unless I was caught by surprise or something. POTIONS ARE OBSOLETE, just selling them or discarding them every time they end up in my inventory.

Granted, when I made my healer character, I was trying to get something more like an arcanist/summoner but I don't think I understood the descriptions that well. I was new, what ya want from me? That being said, between being able to heal myself while solo and feeling like playing support really suits me when engaging in the multiplayer, I couldn't have had a happier accident.

[LowFi_Lexa]

Yeah, first I started playing it was a drag to just wait around, then I realized I could go around doing other stuff while in queue so I take the time to get the unlock quests done, also, thankfully I've got a healer friend and his queues pop in like 10 seconds lol