you pull it you tank it

[meeesj]

what a complete boob mentality to have. If a dps pull ahead of you youre a slow tank. Its basically feedback. The response should be to pull faster and next time pull mobs without dps help. The poor response is to dig in to this moronic "you pull it you tank it" mentality where you just stand there doing nothing like a complete idiot. Do your job and pull threat back like you should do.

This game has enough ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as it is, the last thing this game needs are these prima donna tanks that think being a tank in casual baby content is supposed to means something

[Quinz]

As I always figure with MMOs... Just don't go ahead of the tank of you can't handle it?

[Your Mom's Oshi]

I hate when people don't bring me the mobs that they pull. It's so annoying to have to move everything else and then reposition again because someone is fighting it outside of my range attack. If you pull something then bring it into the tanks aoe.

[The Grimm Reefer]

This is pretty standard stuff that's been around since forever.

We can only see your version of the story, but it doesn't matter in this case.

You keep pace with the tank. Tank "keeps pace" with the healer. I.E he doesn't outrun the healer.

DPS sticks with the group, behind the tank. DPS has zero reason to be running ahead pulling aggro on anything. Unless it's a dungeon mechanic.

You say you want the tank to do his job and pull the threat back like he should. That's fine, but first you need to do YOUR job and stay behind the tank, allowing him to pull and secure enmity.

If you do that, then pull the aggro off the tank, yes it's his/her job to get that aggro back. But if you're just running ahead of the group because in your opinion the tank isn't moving fast enough....

You pull it, you tank it. No argument here.

[Drakzen]

That mentality is what puts off new tanks. And don't pretend like you wouldn't do the exact same to a sprout tank who is still learning.

I'm also willing to bet you don't check the gear of the tank/healer before you do this to see if they are even capable of taking that amount of damage before you start pulling.

Do stupid things, win stupid prizes.

[bri]

That mantra, along with "if te tank dies it's the healer's fault; if the healer dies it's the tank's fault; if DPS dies it's their own fault" has been around forever because of bad DPS like you. There are any number of reasons why the tank might decide not to pull the excess mobs: Maybe they're waiting on cooldowns, maybe they're waiting for the healer's mana to regen, maybe they're only half paying attention because they got an emergency phone call and rather than stop the run while they deal with it they carry on at reduced capability. Heck, maybe they don't know the dungeon and are being cautious; in the end it doesn't matter; controlling the mobs and pace is the tank's job not yours, if you want to speed run then sign up to tank and do it yourself; if you play the carry role then you let the ones carrying you make the decisions...

[Sunny]

lol, you spank it, you tank it. Your job as DPS is not to pull for me, no matter how impatient you are. Once is a mistake, twice is intentional, and the third time we just watch you die.

I pace the dungeon for constant steady movement; if you overpull, then we're going to have to stop to recover or somebody is going to die, making us wait that much longer. STOP IT. I am watching not just you, but the other DPS and the healer too. Everyone needs to be having a comfortable, relaxed time without having to work too hard, ESPECIALLY on casual content.

If there is a sprout in the party, we pull one group at a time. PERIOD.

Pulling for me is not you giving feedback, it's you being incapable of playing your role. Learn to do your job right.

[baerra]

Your job as a DPS isn't to determine how fast a tank or healer pulls, it's on them to decide. No one cares about what you want to do, for all they know you're just a bad DPS who does no damage and is a big reason they're not pulling more. There's a lot of reasons to pull less your tiny brain might not be aware of.

If a tank isn't pulling enough it isn't hard for the healer to tell them they can pull more, as it's a big part of the games design to pull wall to wall in later dungeons. Likewise, a healer can tell the tank not to pull too much because their gear sucks or they aren't comfortable.

[galacticcorgi]

Of course you're a bad DPS who whines about tanks. Tank some, then come back to this.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Meeesj:

what a complete boob mentality to have. If a dps pull ahead of you youre a slow tank. Its basically feedback. The response should be to pull faster and next time pull mobs without dps help. The poor response is to dig in to this moronic "you pull it you tank it" mentality where you just stand there doing nothing like a complete idiot. Do your job and pull threat back like you should do.

This game has enough ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as it is, the last thing this game needs are these prima donna tanks that think being a tank in casual baby content is supposed to means something

Nah, I'm going to let them die. Nothing teaches someone to know their role like a little death.

[Pirokosan]

Originally posted by Grim Reefer:

This is pretty standard stuff that's been around since forever.

We can only see your version of the story, but it doesn't matter in this case.

You keep pace with the tank. Tank "keeps pace" with the healer. I.E he doesn't outrun the healer.

DPS sticks with the group, behind the tank. DPS has zero reason to be running ahead pulling aggro on anything. Unless it's a dungeon mechanic.

You say you want the tank to do his job and pull the threat back like he should. That's fine, but first you need to do YOUR job and stay behind the tank, allowing him to pull and secure enmity.

If you do that, then pull the aggro off the tank, yes it's his/her job to get that aggro back. But if you're just running ahead of the group because in your opinion the tank isn't moving fast enough....

You pull it, you tank it. No argument here.

Say no more

[Sunny]

And if you're talking about peeling mobs off of me mid-fight, if this is something you encounter a LOT, it's because the dungeon has a kill order on the mobs and you're ignoring it. This should not happen very often unless the tank is REALLY BAD, or you're just attacking wtf ever you feel like. If you're peeling mobs off more than once or twice for the whole run, start checking your kill order, because you're going all out and spending cooldowns on the wrong target, or you're doing it before the tank has the opportunity to smack it.

It is RIDICULOUSLY hard to peel mobs off a tank mid-fight in this game unless something is going very wrong.

(kill the bees first)

[Sir McCannonarms]

Originally posted by Meeesj:

what a complete boob mentality to have. If a dps pull ahead of you youre a slow tank. Its basically feedback. The response should be to pull faster and next time pull mobs without dps help. The poor response is to dig in to this moronic "you pull it you tank it" mentality where you just stand there doing nothing like a complete idiot. Do your job and pull threat back like you should do.

Likely going to just repeat what has been said on here but the standard approach to FFXIV is taking on the entirety of the role that you are at the moment. (Tank, Healer, DPS).

You're role isn't just a mixture of things that you should do, it is also things that you shouldn't do. It is not the DPS job to kite enemies and I don't think it necessarily means the tank should just let them die - that just puts a burden on the party and particularly the healer...however, it should be noted that a DPS should not do that in the first place. I get that a lot of new players do not understand this, that's why it is important to just explain it if it is that pervasive during the mission (especially if you're going on multiple quests with the person). If someone has been told (or should know - e.g. level 50+) and yet they continue to do the same thing, I would be more prone to just let them faint as a tank, not going to lie lol.

TLDR;
Communication is key and knowing the entirety of your role makes you a better team player.

[Duranu Lithdel]

Originally posted by Meeesj:

what a complete boob mentality to have. If a dps pull ahead of you youre a slow tank. Its basically feedback. The response should be to pull faster and next time pull mobs without dps help. The poor response is to dig in to this moronic "you pull it you tank it" mentality where you just stand there doing nothing like a complete idiot. Do your job and pull threat back like you should do.

This game has enough ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as it is, the last thing this game needs are these prima donna tanks that think being a tank in casual baby content is supposed to means something

If I came across you pulling mobs and I was tanking, I'd let you have it.

If I was healer, I'd stop healing you

[Syrekroth]

Originally posted by Meeesj:

what a complete boob mentality to have. If a dps pull ahead of you youre a slow tank. Its basically feedback. The response should be to pull faster and next time pull mobs without dps help. The poor response is to dig in to this moronic "you pull it you tank it" mentality where you just stand there doing nothing like a complete idiot. Do your job and pull threat back like you should do.

This game has enough ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as it is, the last thing this game needs are these prima donna tanks that think being a tank in casual baby content is supposed to means something

This would lead me to believe that you are just an impatient player. The tank might be new. The tank might be learning a new job. This could be their first MMO. So your FIRST REACTION is to try to make their life harder. Seems good. Real quality. I have never had an issue with a random tank pulling too slow. You know why? Cause they pull at the speed they are comfortable with at the moment. New players, especially tanks, don't know how many mobs people can pull. The new tanks especially because it turns out that the dont see other tanks in dungeons...like ever. The only other time they will see another tank do the job is if they do an alliance raid at 50 or queue up as a heals or dps. As another individual said we only have your side of the story. The tanks side might be different. Were you being toxic? Were you offering help to him saying that he isnt as squishy as he thinks, or giving him tips? Did you just pull cause you felt he was going to slow without asking him if he could possibly pull a few more mobs at a time? We don't know. Just know that low levels are supposed to be people learning the game or new jobs.

[DirtyMick]

As a melee dps, I try to stay real close behind the tank so I can start dps'ing asap. Occasionally this results in tank stopping out of nowhere as we approach a mob and me accidentally pulling the closest enemy. It's rare, but it happens. Idk why they stop, but occasionally tanks just decide to wait a second before engaging for some reason. Luckily, I've never had a snobby tank that won't take aggro from me. I didn't know tanks do this lol. Thankfully, it must be rare.