What is with this new Trend, "Healers DPS"

[Aylon]

I've gone into a few dungeons as healer recently, and it's terrible. I haven't played healer since the second week of shadowbringers, but since then apparently healers DPSing is a thing now? BS, groups keep asking me to not do my job of healing, but instead do DPS, I think that is ridiculous. I shouldn't be forced to do damage as a healer, I shouldn't be berated for HEALING and NOT DPSING it should be the other way around, and im tired of groups asking me to do damage when it's pointless, healing is already too hard in "normal content" anyways and probably impossibly hard in "difficult content", END RANT.

[Nico Yazawa]

Nguyên văn bởi Seera1024:

Nguyên văn bởi Athmet:

Gotta say I kinda agree with this. Not everyone can put 10 hours per day in this game. So if I know i can do a lvl 80 instance in 15 minutes and it actually take 45, i would not be happy at all.

Now, if it was a very low level instance with very new people in the game (easily checkable) then I would not mind and would try to help them.

I wouldn't be happy either. But I wouldn't be up in arms trying to kick the player(s) causing it if I'm in a duty roulette or in a party that likely was filled through duty roulette. Which is what Koishi is saying should happen in those situations every time regardless of the reason.

Because at the end of the day, it's just a video game.

There's a difference with how you feel about a situation and what you actually do about it.

So just because it's a game allows you and excuses you to put in no effort for no repercussions?

Sorry, you can play that way and tolerate and enable people spamming Goring Blade, but I won't.

[Seera1024]

Nguyên văn bởi Koishi Komeiji:

Nguyên văn bởi Seera1024:

I wouldn't be happy either. But I wouldn't be up in arms trying to kick the player(s) causing it if I'm in a duty roulette or in a party that likely was filled through duty roulette. Which is what Koishi is saying should happen in those situations every time regardless of the reason.

Because at the end of the day, it's just a video game.

There's a difference with how you feel about a situation and what you actually do about it.

So just because it's a game allows you and excuses you to put in no effort for no repercussions?

Sorry, you can play that way and tolerate and enable people spamming Goring Blade, but I won't.

Why do you focus on the minority of players?

Most players fall somewhere between the max and min and do not add that much time to a dungeon run.

Most players put forth an effort. Most players don't spam one skill (past where in the game you get more than one skill of course).

So how about you stop focusing and highlighting that minority when talking about things like this.

Because most of the time, a duty roulette will just run 10-15 minutes longer than a run with a full party of those who play at max DPS.

[Jin-]

Great healer: dps and keeps everyone alive.
Good healer: heals and dps when no need for healing
Bad healer: heals
Worst healer: no heals, only dps, or nothing at all

[Hamshank cat]

use them ogcds boiii

[useless puppy]

Nguyên văn bởi Jin-:

Great healer: dps and keeps everyone alive.
Good healer: heals and dps when no need for healing
Bad healer: heals
Worst healer: no heals, only dps, or nothing at all

best healers, have a heal plan so they don't need to ever overheal.

[Tivz]

[Om3ga-Z3ro]

Nguyên văn bởi Seera1024:

Why do you focus on the minority of players?

Because he thinks everyone besides himself is the minority.

[Azurda]

Nguyên văn bởi Seera1024:

Not necessarily.

If the time increase is only 5-10 minutes, definitely not.

Lmao wut? 5 min is literally 1/3 dungeon length increase.

[Seera1024]

Nguyên văn bởi Azurda:

Nguyên văn bởi Seera1024:

Not necessarily.

If the time increase is only 5-10 minutes, definitely not.

Lmao wut? 5 min is literally 1/3 dungeon length increase.

So? It's a game.

I don't sweat 5-10 minute or even 15 minutes extra in a duty, especially if it's a duty roulette or the other members of the party are from duty roulette.

Life's too short to get worked up over that short of a time due to a game, even if it's a decent percentage of the content I'm doing.

[Azurda]

>playing decent in the baby's first dongeon, even cat sitting on keyboard can do, instead of doing random single target skills
>working up
Ffxiv community in its finest.

[Dottoman]

Nguyên văn bởi Seera1024:

Nguyên văn bởi Azurda:

Lmao wut? 5 min is literally 1/3 dungeon length increase.

So? It's a game.

I don't sweat 5-10 minute or even 15 minutes extra in a duty, especially if it's a duty roulette or the other members of the party are from duty roulette.

Life's too short to get worked up over that short of a time due to a game, even if it's a decent percentage of the content I'm doing.

I mostly agree with you. I just think that part of playing group content in an MMO means that you should be conscious of other players' fun too. Playing poorly and making runs take longer than they need to hurts others' enjoyment of the content.

Intent matters a lot. A newer or otherwise disadvantaged player actually trying to play well is very different from a griefer who wants to waste everyone's time by feeding himself to the boss. Try to help the former type first. If they refuse to listen, then kick.

[Nico Yazawa]

Nguyên văn bởi Dottoman:

Nguyên văn bởi Seera1024:

So? It's a game.

I don't sweat 5-10 minute or even 15 minutes extra in a duty, especially if it's a duty roulette or the other members of the party are from duty roulette.

Life's too short to get worked up over that short of a time due to a game, even if it's a decent percentage of the content I'm doing.

I mostly agree with you. I just think that part of playing group content in an MMO means that you should be conscious of other players' fun too. Playing poorly and making runs take longer than they need to hurts others' enjoyment of the content.

Intent matters a lot. A newer or otherwise disadvantaged player actually trying to play well is very different from a griefer who wants to waste everyone's time by feeding himself to the boss. Try to help the former type first. If they refuse to listen, then kick.

That's what I mean when I always say this game has a toxic casual problem.

It's the people who are happy playing minimal effort, never bothering to learn a rotation and freestyle. Then, think it's okay or that they should be defended for "playing how they want" it's entitled.

Why SHOULD anyone put up with you doing 1% effort when everyone else is trying their best?

I don't even want people doing orange parases only, orange or get out. I'm not even orange.

But I want some modicum of competence. If I have to teach someone their job at endgame, level 80, they needed to get out and learn again. (or learn in the first place)

[Oberon]

Nguyên văn bởi Koishi Komeiji:

That's what I mean when I always say this game has a toxic casual problem.

You're just going to keep spamming that meme, huh?

[Nico Yazawa]

Nguyên văn bởi The Mayor of Murder Town:

Nguyên văn bởi Koishi Komeiji:

That's what I mean when I always say this game has a toxic casual problem.

You're just going to keep spamming that meme, huh?

Not a meme if it's true.

Sorry you defend and white knight them proving my point though.

[Seera1024]

Nguyên văn bởi Dottoman:

Nguyên văn bởi Seera1024:

So? It's a game.

I don't sweat 5-10 minute or even 15 minutes extra in a duty, especially if it's a duty roulette or the other members of the party are from duty roulette.

Life's too short to get worked up over that short of a time due to a game, even if it's a decent percentage of the content I'm doing.

I mostly agree with you. I just think that part of playing group content in an MMO means that you should be conscious of other players' fun too. Playing poorly and making runs take longer than they need to hurts others' enjoyment of the content.

Intent matters a lot. A newer or otherwise disadvantaged player actually trying to play well is very different from a griefer who wants to waste everyone's time by feeding himself to the boss. Try to help the former type first. If they refuse to listen, then kick.

Short of people spamming one skill in higher level content, it's hard to tell the griefers from those who are newer or disadvantaged or those just simply having an off day if they aren't being vocal.

5-15 minutes isn't enough to get all worked up over.

Also the griefer wants a reaction. Not getting worked up over it doesn't give him the reaction he wants.

And to me as long as the content is able to be completed, how someone plays shouldn't be grounds for kicking in and of itself. How they respond to polite requests for play style change should be considered and what should be used as a basis for kick or not.

And even in the case where a player's actions be where content can't be completed, should at least be politely asked to improve before kicking.