Got banned for Spam emotes. LOL

[NyaruVT]

i got banned for spamming emotes like... 10 times.. then someone told me to stop spam, i told him to not talk to me and black listet him.. then i was spam it like 15 more times next to him and portet away.
now i got banned for that. xD 3 days. for a bit emote spam. tahts sooooooooooooooo dumb XD
it would be okay when i would did it for 3 minutes or so. but i did it for like 10 secounds.

other ppl out there spamming for muuch longer and they dont get banned. LOL

[VanGoghComplex]

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

Origineel geplaatst door Count Drakoola:

I disagree that it shouldn't be bannable because of the blacklist, blacklist should not be an excuse for people to do something that clearly is against the rules, but I agree it was a ban for something small.

It's not "clearly" against the rules though, many people would consider me answering back as offensive as being disagreed with "triggers anxiety", me being aware they are sensitive, but refusing to stay quiet could quite easily be interpreted as against a vague code of conduct.

Of course if i come across these people in rouls, i rarely bother talking back if they have a tantrum about things not being done their way xD i use the block list and carry on as normal.

However, if i decide not to block them and spend the dungeon arguing back over petty nonsense, and they report me for it there is a chance I will be punished because someone had a tantrum rather than block me, that shouldn't be a thing, especially when an automated system is in place to solve the issue.


In short it's frustrating because people who report other for spam have a certain petty personality type.




TL: DR -
It's not that they are annoyed at the spam, they could just block them and problem solved.

The issue is that these people want the rest of the world to know they are annoyed and moderators in forums and games always like to placate these personality types, which makes them worse over time.

Alternatively, when asked to stop spamming, OP could have stopped.

...also they could have just not spammed in the first place, but. Y'know. That's an unreasonable expectation.

[Meltup]

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

It's not an action worthy of bans, I would say nothing said in chat windows ever is, at worst a permanent mute for all public channels, only party, FC etc and IF they continue to make an active effort to be a constant annoyance, then consider it.

I have to completely disagree on this point. Public channels should be moderated and violations, unless done accidentally, should be always punished. It sets up an atmosphere for the game and shows new players what kind of people are welcomed into the game. Blacklist by itself is a very limited measure and should be used as last case scenario.

[Arndell]

Origineel geplaatst door Meltup:

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

It's not an action worthy of bans, I would say nothing said in chat windows ever is, at worst a permanent mute for all public channels, only party, FC etc and IF they continue to make an active effort to be a constant annoyance, then consider it.

I have to completely disagree on this point. Public channels should be moderated and violations, unless done accidentally, should be always punished. It sets up an atmosphere for the game and shows new players what kind of people are welcomed into the game. Blacklist by itself is a very limited measure and should be used as last case scenario.

Talking about what atmosphere it sets up for the game.

Far too many online games are already too far down the path of this forced smile, everyone is wonderful and all get along with each other.

Then throughout these opinion policed communities you get "offence predators" who log in and look for people stepping out of line so they can cause a fuss and report them.

It gives them attention and a sense of self worth, "Find the monster so you can lead the village mob against it"
But in the process they make monsters out of everyone for everything.


Of course this specific case is not that extreme, OP is a childish fool and whoever reported them is simply easily upset.
aka, a childish fool met a crybaby, no action should have been taken, the crybaby needs to block them, of if they MUST stand in that location and the character making a laugh noise is upsetting them, mute those specific sounds in the voice options temporarily.

But even though this case is not the most extreme scenario, the same tool sets used to overeact to this scenario are easily used in ever worsening cases of "Oppressive acceptance".




TL:DR - It's not a nice atmosphere to play a game feeling like there is some big brother style drone system making sure you don't cross anybodies ever increasing social boundaries, things on the lines of what OP caused need to simply be let go like the nothing event they are as the end game for that path is some kinda totalitarian moderation style that no one wants.

(Yes i'm aware how stupid it is that i'm moaning about how much everyone moans :P)

[Arndell]

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

Blacklist by itself is a very limited measure and should be used as last case scenario.

What's limited about it?
It stops people inviting you to parties, you can't see anything they type, they can't PM you.

The only thing they can do is spam an emote that makes a sound and if that is upsetting a person that much, they have far deeper problems to address, banning a guy for 3 days won't solve whatever it is that makes them so fragile.

[Arndell]

Origineel geplaatst door Meltup:

Blacklist by itself is a very limited measure and should be used as last case scenario.

What's limited about it?
It stops people inviting you to parties, you can't see anything they type, they can't PM you.

It should be the first line of defence, it's fully automated, no staff needed and it impacts no other players than the one using it to solve their problem.

The only thing they can do is spam an emote that makes a sound and if that is upsetting a person that much, they have far deeper problems to address, banning a guy for 3 days won't solve whatever it is that makes them so fragile

[Mandodo]

Bet 100$ OP is not telling the whole story and idk why you blindly listen to some pleb on steam forums. Spamming emotes will NOT get you a 3 day ban.

You are aware they can just "jail" you for 12 to 24 hours. https://kotaku.com/did-you-know-that-ffxiv-has-a-jail-for-very-bad-players-1786679403

You would go here unless you said vulgar things or racial/sexual things.

No, a "BAN" comes from harassment.

Got money betting OP spammed a dude, dude said quit and op went on a rant, probably telling the other person to go "Die in a fire" or to "go kill themselves" etc.

A 3 day ban is a , "You ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and would not stop" and they don't just hand down a ban for spamming emotes, i spam them 24/7 in game for 6 years and never been banned, they do that when there is CLEAR proof, i.e. chat logs, etc, then they ban.

Have OP send us a copy of their email they got.

They can black out all the important stuff except for the exact reason, word for word, why they were banned.

Until then, defending OP or his harassment is just as bad as OP. Dude would have been 100% jailed, not banned.

[Oberon]

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

Origineel geplaatst door Meltup:

Blacklist by itself is a very limited measure and should be used as last case scenario.

What's limited about it?

There's a limit on how many people can be added to it.

[Arndell]

Origineel geplaatst door The Mayor of Murder Town:

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

What's limited about it?

There's a limit on how many people can be added to it.

I think 200, but no one will have 200 active people worthy of being on a block list, if they are truly that much of a problem player, they will have been eventually banned, or in the case of OP, they will have a short attention span and not play the game long anyway.

200 players is more than enough to cycle out all inactive accounts.

Mine only ever has RMT spammers on it anyway.

You need to think of the personality type for the kind of person who needs well over 200 slots to blacklist others, surely they would be better off having the entire server on an automated blacklist and they could then whitelist only those they trust.

[Oberon]

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

You need to think of the personality type for the kind of person who needs well over 200 slots to blacklist others,

Someone who gets harassed a lot. Which isn't really a personality type, it's just misfortune.

Also, you're aware that you're arguing for harassing other people because you think blacklisting somehow makes you immune from the TOS, right?

[Tivz]

Origineel geplaatst door The Mayor of Murder Town:

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

You need to think of the personality type for the kind of person who needs well over 200 slots to blacklist others,

Someone who gets harassed a lot. Which isn't really a personality type, it's just misfortune.

Also, you're aware that you're arguing for harassing other people because you think blacklisting somehow makes you immune from the TOS, right?

They're arguing over emotes lol

sad

[Arndell]

Origineel geplaatst door The Mayor of Murder Town:

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

You need to think of the personality type for the kind of person who needs well over 200 slots to blacklist others,

Someone who gets harassed a lot. Which isn't really a personality type, it's just misfortune.

Also, you're aware that you're arguing for harassing other people because you think blacklisting somehow makes you immune from the TOS, right?

No one gets harassed by +200 people to such an extent they will need an infinite blacklist for them all.

I'm not arguing FOR harassing people, i'm saying that people need to stop viewing everything as harassment.

If someone is considering over 200 people as directly targeting them and therefore needs to be blocked, the problem is with the person, not the +200 people they don't like.

[Arndell]

Origineel geplaatst door Prismatic Lollipop:

you skipped my explanation and still argue about this.

you're here to cause trouble only.
or to troll.

I have skipped nothing.

This has just turned into another case of "If you disagree with me you are a troll"

If we were having this conversation in game chat I suppose I could expect being reported and get a potential ban for continuing to reply, which clearly indicates my intention to cause further trouble so I need punishment.

In a world where very few in it can understand people think differently, I am to either openly agree with the most fragile people or at least have the decency to stay quiet and keep my dissent to myself, failure to stay quiet will result in some form of authority shutting me up on behalf of those poor souls in need of defence from a different point of view.


Forum mods and GM's all over the place often well overstep what their lines should be and micro police every small thing wherever they can, if no small thing can be found, they will lower the bar and create a problem where there was none.

Some low IQ / Drunk idiot was spamming emotes and someone cried about it, that's no business of any moderators, waste of staff time to even bother taking action, yet this petty stuff happens constantly in games, pointing it out often gets you into trouble too, which is obviously my personal gripe.

[Drakzen]

It's highly unlikely due to that one individuals complaint that OP got banned. It is probably that OP was reported for alot of people, it also wouldn't be surprising if OP is not giving us the full story.

It wouldn't be the first case of someone going on a steam forum and going "I got banned from x game for no reason" if you want examples just check CS:GO forums.

If it really was for a small infringement then OP would have taken a screenshot as proof to use in an appeal instead of coming to the forum to fish for sympathy. If OP does indeed have proof then they could just post it here and prove us wrong.

[Meltup]

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

Talking about what atmosphere it sets up for the game.

Far too many online games are already too far down the path of this forced smile, everyone is wonderful and all get along with each other.

Then throughout these opinion policed communities you get "offence predators" who log in and look for people stepping out of line so they can cause a fuss and report them.

It gives them attention and a sense of self worth, "Find the monster so you can lead the village mob against it"
But in the process they make monsters out of everyone for everything.

It is not about a forced smile but more about conversations being on a certain level of civility. Everything can be taken to the extremes one way or another. That said, I do not think that FFXIV handles things the bad way - GMs do not intentionally seek out people to punish themselves but deal with tickets on individual bases.

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

Of course this specific case is not that extreme, OP is a childish fool and whoever reported them is simply easily upset.
aka, a childish fool met a crybaby, no action should have been taken, the crybaby needs to block them, of if they MUST stand in that location and the character making a laugh noise is upsetting them, mute those specific sounds in the voice options temporarily.

As far as I am concerned this game has rating 18+ (prohibited for children), thus I really do not understand why people should put up with childish behavior Yes, it is possible that another person took offense too close to the heart but OP's response to them was very rude and in my opinion deserved the punishment.

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

What's limited about it?
It stops people inviting you to parties, you can't see anything they type, they can't PM you.

Blacklist is very limited because it just removes certain person's text from your screen. Other people still see everything and react to it. I know it may sound weird but in social communities it is a very big problem. You can't just put someone on blacklist and expect everyone else to do the same. People will discuss and react on the topic of "how X said Y and did Z". In closed circles of people like guilds, you may just discuss and kick the bad person off, however when it comes to public channels - not so much. That is where the developers and GMs step up to decide what and how they want their game atmosphere to be.

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

The only thing they can do is spam an emote that makes a sound and if that is upsetting a person that much, they have far deeper problems to address, banning a guy for 3 days won't solve whatever it is that makes them so fragile

Banning OP for 3 days just demonstrates that OP's behaviour is not tolerated in the game and will not be tolerated in the future. So they should adjust to that or seek something else to play. The problems of 'fragility' of someone's feelings are solved differently and usually come in the form of GMs replying to tickets that 'such and such' behavior is not punishable (and people do get such replies).

[Mandodo]

Origineel geplaatst door Arndell:

Origineel geplaatst door The Mayor of Murder Town:

Someone who gets harassed a lot. Which isn't really a personality type, it's just misfortune.

Also, you're aware that you're arguing for harassing other people because you think blacklisting somehow makes you immune from the TOS, right?

No one gets harassed by +200 people to such an extent they will need an infinite blacklist for them all.

I'm not arguing FOR harassing people, i'm saying that people need to stop viewing everything as harassment.

If someone is considering over 200 people as directly targeting them and therefore needs to be blocked, the problem is with the person, not the +200 people they don't like.

Someone did not play at launch where you can fill a black list and friend list in under a day.

I still have 200/200 from RMT alone since launch in 2013.

When did you start playing? Last year?

Serious question, not trolling, i can even provide a screenshot of my full blacklist too if you want.

EDIT: remember when we just filled our friends list with FC mates so the RMT could not send friends requests in the middle of cutscenes and stuff. Ah 2013........